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Cythereal posted:I'm actually surprised no one's shot at Obama yet. We won't learn about the real threats the Secret Service stopped until after Obama is out of office at least.
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VH4Ever posted:Actually she's been going back and forth between Washington and MA since sometime in the mid-90s, long before most of us even knew her name post-2008 crash. She was brought in to study/analyze bankruptcy mostly, but her claim to fame was opposing the bankruptcy reform acts that ended up passing during the Bush years in the early 2000s. She already had contacts with many people in Congress by then including Ted Kennedy and Barney Frank so her bona fides are much longer and deeper than most people give her credit for.
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Hodgepodge posted:We've seen what happens when the current crop of militia types take action. If the militia types were going to take action, you'd think they'd have done something by now. They backed down in Texas when the cartels offered to attend the party they were throwing. They're just chickenhawks playing neo-Confederate partisan who go home to drink beer and watch football the moment things get dangerous or even inconvenient for them. If anyone does end up shooting Obama, I'm guessing it's going to be a mentally disturbed individual like it's usually been with people who've shot at US presidents.
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Sep 24, 2014 02:24
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Cythereal posted:If the militia types were going to take action, you'd think they'd have done something by now. They backed down in Texas when the cartels offered to attend the party they were throwing. Yeah the militia types were never going to do anything. Militias like that are just a place for fat, middle aged white guys to go to feel tough and act like they'd totally go all Second Revolution on the president at the slightest hint of tyranny. But, you know, only when he actually oversteps his bounds, which he totally hasn't yet, I mean not that bad, even though I bitch about how unconstitutional everything he does is all drat day.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Yeah the militia types were never going to do anything. Militias like that are just a place for fat, middle aged white guys to go to feel tough and act like they'd totally go all Second Revolution on the president at the slightest hint of tyranny. But, you know, only when he actually oversteps his bounds, which he totally hasn't yet, I mean not that bad, even though I bitch about how unconstitutional everything he does is all drat day. That's sort of how the Klan was in its latter years.
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Sep 24, 2014 02:32
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Yeah the militia types were never going to do anything. Militias like that are just a place for fat, middle aged white guys to go to feel tough and act like they'd totally go all Second Revolution on the president at the slightest hint of tyranny. But, you know, only when he actually oversteps his bounds, which he totally hasn't yet, I mean not that bad, even though I bitch about how unconstitutional everything he does is all drat day. Haven't several militia groups gotten busted for actively plotting to kill cops and federal employees?
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Sep 24, 2014 02:34
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computer parts posted:That's sort of how the Klan was in its latter years. And it's early years.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Yeah the militia types were never going to do anything. Militias like that are just a place for fat, middle aged white guys to go to feel tough and act like they'd totally go all Second Revolution on the president at the slightest hint of tyranny. But, you know, only when he actually oversteps his bounds, which he totally hasn't yet, I mean not that bad, even though I bitch about how unconstitutional everything he does is all drat day. I don't think there's going to be CW2 or anything, but they have potential to cause harm from time to time. Let's not forget that 2 nutters from the Bundy ranch went on to shoot up a place and drape corpses with Gadsden flags. Timothy McVeigh was also of this kind of thinking. As a mass movement you're right that they're not really worthy of consideration, but individuals within their movement do decide to try to make it a hot war often enough that the people charged with protecting us from terrorism consider them to be a larger threat than foreign terrorists as far as attacks on American soil are concerned.
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Sep 24, 2014 02:38
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The McVeigh or Brevik types who actually go on and do something are usually the ones that intersect fairly briefly with established right-wing groups, decide they're not dedicated/extreme enough, and go off on their own, it seems like. Well, that and pretty much every established group being heavily infiltrated by government agencies.
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andrew smash posted:Haven't several militia groups gotten busted for actively plotting to kill cops and federal employees? Several people with varying degrees of association have. I don't think any of the groups themselves have though. Course I am probably technically wrong since any one group, no matter how small, can call itself a militia. Cliff Racer fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Sep 24, 2014 |
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Sep 24, 2014 04:50
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Trabisnikof posted:We won't learn about the real threats the Secret Service stopped until after Obama is out of office at least. Bush had that guy throw a grenade at him in Georgia (the country), every time someone tries to kill the President the secret service learns to protect him better.
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:Bush had that guy throw a grenade at him in Georgia (the country), every time someone tries to kill the President the secret service learns to protect him better. Yeah, I imagine that with the way FBI/ATF has been running stings, I imagine Secret Service has busted a ton of people planning to kill Obama at the LF level.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Yeah the militia types were never going to do anything. Militias like that are just a place for fat, middle aged white guys to go to feel tough and act like they'd totally go all Second Revolution on the president at the slightest hint of tyranny. But, you know, only when he actually oversteps his bounds, which he totally hasn't yet, I mean not that bad, even though I bitch about how unconstitutional everything he does is all drat day. Plus in about 9 months everyone will be talking about the 2016 Primaries and then the actual election, so the militia folks will have (false and absurd) hope that Christie-mania or whatever will sweep the nation rendering armed action unnecessary.
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Jackson Taus posted:Plus in about 9 months everyone will be talking about the 2016 Primaries and then the actual election, so the militia folks will have (false and absurd) hope that Christie-mania or whatever will sweep the nation rendering armed action unnecessary. It won't. The focus of their rage over how powerless they are will just shift from blacks to women.
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Sep 24, 2014 05:15
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VitalSigns posted:There was actually a really well-planned assassination raid on Obama, but because of a hilarious name mix-up and the fact that their houses were the same color, the attackers ended up killing some Muslim guy in Abottabad instead  this needs more love.
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Sep 24, 2014 05:18
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Paul MaudDib posted:Not hardly. Pushback from the wealthy, a hostile supreme court that knocked down ~70% of his policies, a proto-Rush Limbaugh, a fascist coup plotted by business leaders - Roosevelt certainly faced meaningful opposition. Not to mention having loving polio and keeping it a secret from the public. Sure, but none of those things (including "a fascist coup plotted by business leaders," the exaggeration of the century) change the fact that Roosevelt had 4-6 years where Congress was willing to go along with the vast majority of his proposals, which is something you can't say for many presidents at all.
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VitalSigns posted:There was actually a really well-planned assassination raid on Obama, but because of a hilarious name mix-up and the fact that their houses were the same color, the attackers ended up killing some Muslim guy in Abottabad instead This was genius. My dad loved it since his favorite episode of The Newsroom had Jeff Daniels making pretty much the same mistake since he was baked as hell.
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Cythereal posted:It won't. The focus of their rage over how powerless they are will just shift from blacks to women. After Nov 2016, sure. But from July 2015 to Oct 2016 they'll have a great shining hope in the form of <insert GOP frontrunner here>. Actual hope of a political messiah might dampen urges to go violent.
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Byron York is usually pretty plugged in, right?quote:Mittens '16 is real http://washingtonexaminer.com/romney-2016-is-for-real/article/2553932
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I'd be willing to bet that he's been listening to right wing blowhards saying "Bad things happened? Just as Romney said - guess he's looking pretty good now, huh?". I expect him to focus entirely on what he would have done if he were president and how it magically would have been the right thing.
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Sep 25, 2014 04:24
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R. Money really has been unusually persistent about staying in the public eye after his defeat - he didn't disappear from public life like a Dukakis or Mondale or Dole, or find another public cause to embrace like Carter (global peace and health issues) or Gore (climate). I see his useless wife was making headlines today about how silly the whole notion of a "war on women" is. And lord knows the once-promising GOP field for 2016 looks like a shambles now. ...dear God, he might actually do it. 
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FMguru posted:R. Money really has been unusually persistent about staying in the public eye after his defeat - he didn't disappear from public life like a Dukakis or Mondale or Dole, or find another public cause to embrace like Carter (global peace and health issues) or Gore (climate). I see his useless wife was making headlines today about how silly the whole notion of a "war on women" is. And lord knows the once-promising GOP field for 2016 looks like a shambles now. Yeah, but then neither has McCain - he's been on TV (primarily Sunday shows) for the last 300 consecutive weeks or something.
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Jackson Taus posted:Yeah, but then neither has McCain - he's been on TV (primarily Sunday shows) for the last 300 consecutive weeks or something.
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Jackson Taus posted:Yeah, but then neither has McCain - he's been on TV (primarily Sunday shows) for the last 300 consecutive weeks or something. Because he was, and still is, a prominent senator (and a Republican who won't publicly poo poo himself whenever he gets on stage to boot, an increasing rarity in today's senate.) Kerry never really went dark either after his loss, if anything he was actually gaining clout, leading up to becoming SoS.
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FMguru posted:R. Money really has been unusually persistent about staying in the public eye after his defeat - he didn't disappear from public life like a Dukakis or Mondale or Dole, or find another public cause to embrace like Carter (global peace and health issues) or Gore (climate). I see his useless wife was making headlines today about how silly the whole notion of a "war on women" is. And lord knows the once-promising GOP field for 2016 looks like a shambles now. Yeah. Based on everything he's been saying and doing recently, I've felt for a little while now that it's at least even odds for a Romney 2016 run. Maybe a little better than that.
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I don't really think Romney is dangerous, but I wouldn't look forward to him and Hillary being in a room together. She would make him look sincere by comparison.
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Oh good, Mitt has two whole years to say more stupid poo poo. If he runs, it'll be non-stop 47% tape, because nothing illustrates his rich, out-of-touch arrogance and disdain for the poor better than the poo poo he said on that tape. He's not going to make a Nixon-style comeback, because Nixon himself wouldn't have made his comeback if he tried it now instead of 1968. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Sep 25, 2014 |
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Sep 25, 2014 14:20
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Some people just can't stop running for president.
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Sep 25, 2014 14:22
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Key phrase if he does run https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLHxbemvpxY&t=75s
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SedanChair posted:I don't really think Romney is dangerous, but I wouldn't look forward to him and Hillary being in a room together. She would make him look sincere by comparison. I look forward to Mitt Romney running again for all sorts of reasons, including  after from SedanChair about how even he is better than Hillary Clinton.
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SedanChair posted:I don't really think Romney is dangerous, but I wouldn't look forward to him and Hillary being in a room together. She would make him look sincere by comparison. I wonder if he has a Hillary Clinton card in his binders full of women. Maybe he'll use a Condoleezza Rice trap card against her.
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Would 2016 Rmoney be the 2012 primary RINO Romney or 2012 general Great Hope Romney?
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Shear Modulus posted:Would 2016 Rmoney be the 2012 primary RINO Romney or 2012 general Great Hope Romney? Well he won his primary.
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Shear Modulus posted:Would 2016 Rmoney be the 2012 primary RINO Romney or 2012 general Great Hope Romney? His 2012 staff was terrified of Rick Perry and his rightward shift in the primary was a tactic to undercut Perry's entrance into the race. Which is to say if Rick runs again in 2016 (which he will) and somehow does better than he did in 2012 (which shouldn't be difficult), Romney will pivot even further to the right to fight him.
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Sep 26, 2014 03:15
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The burning question I have is, who's on Biden's and Clinton's shortlist?
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Joementum posted:His 2012 staff was terrified of Rick Perry and his rightward shift in the primary was a tactic to undercut Perry's entrance into the race. You just made me remember the $10,000 bet. I can't wait for ol' Mitt to take another crack at POTUS, it's sort of like a really uncomfortable episode of The Office.
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Really want Mitt to run because I always meant to make a compilation of him campaigning to Smog's Ex-Con and never got around to it and would like some fresh content
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My Imaginary GF posted:The burning question I have is, who's on Biden's and Clinton's shortlist?
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And the mayor of Boston.
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