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Fired this up to play with a buddy on the fence for the free weekend and it feels better than where I left off. Is the rate of steel dropping normal or just to lure people in? Cause I spent 15k to get shaman (holy poo poo yes good rip and tear huge guts) and in one sitting I'm back up to 3k steel  Also when I parry sometimes I get a louder chunkier sound effect and there's a big white flash, what's that about? I don't remember that 
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Capn Beeb posted:Fired this up to play with a buddy on the fence for the free weekend and it feels better than where I left off. Is the rate of steel dropping normal or just to lure people in? Cause I spent 15k to get shaman (holy poo poo yes good rip and tear huge guts) and in one sitting I'm back up to 3k steel As for the chunkier sound effect, that means you've parried a light attack as opposed to a heavy. A light attack parry nets you a guaranteed heavy attack (usually a top heavy even, though it depends on the hero), while parrying a heavy attack only nets you a light attack. In case you're wondering, you can't get a guaranteed guardbreak out of your parries anymore, thank god
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Shear Modulus posted:Yeah. Your guy will transition into the animation for the other attack. To your opponent it shows the top attack indicator (but not flashing) then it switches to whatever you cancel into. Oh ok thanks for the tips. Btw to play the campaign the servers have to up as well?
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I downloaded this for the free weekend but didn't have a lot of time, so I played the first knights campaign and haven't touched PvP, which I understand is the meat of the game. I love the gameplay, this is probably the best melee combat game I've played, the general aesthetic is lovely, and and basically I'm completely enamored of the short campaign I've played. But I understand that that's basically the intro to the real game. How is the playerbase on PC? Ia there cross-platform play? I don't like buying into dying games as it feels like a waste of time, and I know that's not entirely rational but whatevs. I enjoy PvP, it's what kept me logging into Destiny 2 as long as I did before dropping the turd, should I buy this? If so, I'm guessing the gold edition is worthwhile?
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Wheeee posted:I downloaded this for the free weekend but didn't have a lot of time, so I played the first knights campaign and haven't touched PvP, which I understand is the meat of the game. I love the gameplay, this is probably the best melee combat game I've played, the general aesthetic is lovely, and and basically I'm completely enamored of the short campaign I've played. There is unfortunately no cross platform play, but there is a healthy playerbase even on PC! I play on both PC and PS4 and I always find matches for everything except for elimination (which isn't great) in under a minute. Not sure how much it is stateside, but $30 CAD for the gold edition is honestly a pretty good deal, and you get a lot of heroes from the season pass completely free. It's what, the equivalent of about $100 worth of steel or so? and the month of champion status will make you level up significantly faster! +40% EXP before any other bonuses. If you really think you'll get into the game, and I hope you do because it's honestly pretty unique and very accessible, go for it. Vvv contracts reset super slowly unfortunately The Iron Rose fucked around with this message at 04:09 on May 7, 2018 |
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Did they ever change Shugoki so he wasn’t amazing versus scrubs and garbage versus people who even vaguely understand how to break armour and dodge?
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Capn Beeb posted:Do the contracts reset in 24 hours for anyone else? That seems way too long The two "big" orders refresh every 24 hours, the slew of smaller contracts every 48. Really, don't obsess over them, just pick whichever you're likely to finish in the course of normal playing. You'll still gain steel at a very fast rate nonetheless. I've been able to buy all the new characters (except for Cent, gently caress that guy on principle  ) and a slew of cosmetics with steel just from normal playing every few days.
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The Iron Rose posted:I always find matches for everything except for elimination (which isn't great) in under a minute. The 'deathmatch' modes sucked rear end way back when and they still do today, good riddance. Shockeh posted:Did they ever change Shugoki so he wasn’t amazing versus scrubs and garbage versus people who even vaguely understand how to break armour and dodge? He's still very much a 'team' character mostly.
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I don't get all the Cent hate in this thread. Of all the characters they've added he's like the least offensiveShockeh posted:Did they ever change Shugoki so he wasn’t amazing versus scrubs and garbage versus people who even vaguely understand how to break armour and dodge? Considering they only rework a couple characters each season (and for next season it's gonna be PK and Orochi) it'll probably take ages before all the OG characters are up to par. Although to be fair the Conq, Zerk and Kensei are all in a really good spot after their reworks.
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Exodee posted:I don't get all the Cent hate in this thread. Of all the characters they've added he's like the least offensive Cent's problem is that they inordinately punish newer/unlearned people in a way that feels incredibly unfair, if Kensei does their goofy dance of death or PK spams you down, you at least see what's happening, while 1 bad hit means Cent basically takes your controller away while you get to watch your character get eviscerated and they're kind of irreparably hosed up in 4v4 modes, all they have to do is creep on a fight, pin someone and it's over. Now other people can do that too, but if Big Shug grabs you so his allies can brain you he's trying it at a potential cost of health, Law used to be only useful for tying people up and that was it, Cent's got all the stamina crushing, bashes and wall power people hated from other characters plus better ganks than nearly anyone else and they can fake you out over and over, that combined with longer, "cutscene" attacks and executions that go on for a century makes for a character people are gonna hate for one reason or another. When you know all their tricks and you're not getting hit by like 3 people, he's nothing nowadays, but all that's the explanation for most people and especially new players. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 13:33 on May 7, 2018 |
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Yeah that's fair enough. I'm just taken aback a bit by this thread, as far as character hate goes it usually goes to the Shaman. (who has a similar cutscene that seems really unfair until you figure it out) Although to be fair, I guess the Centurion was completely insane at some point before he got nerfed. Since I didn't play the game at that time I've never gotten to experience that
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Exodee posted:I don't get all the Cent hate in this thread. Of all the characters they've added he's like the least offensive It's not even so much a matter of balance (though that was pretty dire near his release), but also simple user experience. Cent is basically a case study on focusing on the using player's experience while failing to consider the opposing player's experience. Taking control away from the player is always a risky business that needs to be handled carefully, particularly in multiplayer games. And yet, Centurion does basically nothing but. Just about every attack is a stun, stagger, knockdown, or locks you into an aggravatingly long animation during which you're helpless. Add to that a slew of unblockables, exceptionally high stamina that allows him to throw those out basically nonstop, and a strong stamina drain, and it's easy for the opponent to feel constantly on the back foot and like they have no way to meaningfully gain the initiative. Even if mechanically balanced, he's just outright unpleasant to play against. quote:Considering they only rework a couple characters each season (and for next season it's gonna be PK and Orochi) it'll probably take ages before all the OG characters are up to par. Although to be fair the Conq, Zerk and Kensei are all in a really good spot after their reworks. Oh lol, they've basically just given up on Valkyrie at this point, haven't they? 
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Perestroika posted:Oh lol, they've basically just given up on Valkyrie at this point, haven't they? Assassin privilege strikes again.
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Me and my friend are playing the game, we're both new to it but the matchmaking seems incredibly brutal? We've lost every single match to level 40 superstars who do loving teleports, vanishes, AOE health drains and super flying kicks to the face, and turn on revenge mode seemingly every time you fight them. It's come off the free weekend, it's being sold for peanuts, there's undoubtedly loads of new players yet it won't match us to equally inexperienced level 1-2 players? It's hampering our enjoyment of the game really badly. We just want a level playing field while we get used to everything, not a rape bondage session.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Me and my friend are playing the game, we're both new to it but the matchmaking seems incredibly brutal? We've lost every single match to level 40 superstars who do loving teleports, vanishes, AOE health drains and super flying kicks to the face, and turn on revenge mode seemingly every time you fight them. It's come off the free weekend, it's being sold for peanuts, there's undoubtedly loads of new players yet it won't match us to equally inexperienced level 1-2 players? It's hampering our enjoyment of the game really badly. We just want a level playing field while we get used to everything, not a rape bondage session. The matchmaking has always been really spotty but yeah, there's a bunch of shitheads just running around in premades against all but helpless post-weekend new guys. It's come and gone for me, I'll get matches where one team is me and other higher ranked guys against a brand new team, me and a bunch of new people against those teams, all brand new people except me (Where I purposefully play guys I'm bad at and avoid doing meta poo poo), the matchmaking's going ape trying to fit all these hugely separate ranks together. Liu posted:how's Nobushi these days, I havent played since they added Shinobi Nobu's very good. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 14:15 on May 7, 2018 |
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Liu posted:how's Nobushi these days, I havent played since they added Shinobi A little bit better, the kick can now also be launched from light attacks and comes out faster, giving you somewhat better mixup capabilities. No other major changes from what I remember, and she's still stuck with dodge-attacks that don't actually reliably dodge anything.
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Liu posted:how's Nobushi these days, I havent played since they added Shinobi she's okay but still suffers from having no real viable openers. she's extremely easy to parry
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Liu posted:how's Nobushi these days, I havent played since they added Shinobi Perestroika posted:Just about every attack is a stun, stagger, knockdown, or locks you into an aggravatingly long animation during which you're helpless. Add to that a slew of unblockables, exceptionally high stamina that allows him to throw those out basically nonstop, and a strong stamina drain, and it's easy for the opponent to feel constantly on the back foot and like they have no way to meaningfully gain the initiative. Even if mechanically balanced, he's just outright unpleasant to play against. His cutscene is obnoxious as all hell, but that's really the only thing he's got going for him. You mentioned how you refuse to unlock him on principle, but doing so is really the best way to learn how to counter him. Edit: Don't get me wrong though, I had a hard time with them as well after coming back from the early beta. But that's why I decided to try him out for a few levels and I haven't had much trouble with them ever since. Exodee fucked around with this message at 16:29 on May 7, 2018 |
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As someone who gets incredibly giddy whenever I manage to nail a deflect, Orochi rework on the horizon has me excited. I should play this game more.
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Rainuwastaken posted:As someone who gets incredibly giddy whenever I manage to nail a deflect, Orochi rework on the horizon has me excited. I should play this game more. It's probably in some of the best balance it's ever had currently, so you picked a good time.
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Perestroika posted:The two "big" orders refresh every 24 hours, the slew of smaller contracts every 48. Really, don't obsess over them, just pick whichever you're likely to finish in the course of normal playing. You'll still gain steel at a very fast rate nonetheless. I've been able to buy all the new characters (except for Cent, gently caress that guy on principle Oh word, I haven't played in a while so I couldn't remember if it always took that long or not 
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Picked up Aramusha in some friendly brawls with my friends earlier and really enjoyed him. First game I go into 1v1's with is a Russian prestige 23 Warlord and I actually didn't feel like I couldn't beat him at any point. Faced him 4 times and beat him on the last one.
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Rainuwastaken posted:As someone who gets incredibly giddy whenever I manage to nail a deflect, Orochi rework on the horizon has me excited. I should play this game more. I practiced deflects on Berserker a bunch today. They're very exciting and flashy but I've still never intentionally pulled one off against strangers, and they're pretty brutally worthless unless you do it on purpose because you get nothing from them unless you immediately hit the followup button. I mostly just stick to parries unless it's a class with very telegraphed attacks, like Warden.
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Played a bunch of 1v1s as a Lawbringer vs a Warden and then Centurion. Have to say it was real nice just going back to basics, without many special moves to take into account at all.
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Exodee posted:"Just about every attack" meaning just his charged jab. If you learn what the deal behind that one attack is then he's really not that threatening anymore. As well, all of his three unblockables are very telegraphed and he can't do any feint trickery with them either. He's got the charged thrust that leads into an animation, the uppercut that stuns and may knock down, the kick that staggers, the guardbreak followup that stuns, and finally the ground-stab with another long animation. The way some of these can unavoidably lead into each other yet further prolongs the loss of control on part of the victim. Again, the issue is not with his mechanical balance. As you said, at this point he's generally perfectly beatable. The issue is that he's a character built heavily around prolonged loss-of-control effects in a style of game that makes those rather aggravating. It's bad design on a purely visceral level. Even if he were garbage tier with a win rate of 5%, it'd still be bad design. Other characters have/had that issue as well (like Warden's infinite vortex before it was fixed), but Cent is far and away the worst offender of the bunch.
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Perestroika posted:He's got the charged thrust that leads into an animation, the uppercut that stuns and may knock down, the kick that staggers, the guardbreak followup that stuns, and finally the ground-stab with another long animation. The way some of these can unavoidably lead into each other yet further prolongs the loss of control on part of the victim. With that being said, I do agree with you that he's a poorly designed, one dimensional character. Hell, he probably needs a rework more than a lot of the other heroes. But since they're planning to rework the original cast first you better get used to fighting the Cent in his current state. (And again, the best way to do that is to play as him for a bit)
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Cent is just dull to fight against. For new players he is enraging beyond belief, but when you're experienced he really is just a whole lot of boredom. He's reliant on the opponent screwing up just once in order to dish out his damage, so most good Cent players fish for the parries or soft feint into gb very often to try and get the wallsplat. He's not broken at all, he's just boring because he excels at being an opportunistic turtle. quote:how's Nobushi these days, I havent played since they added Shinobi She's alright. She can get a guaranteed kick from a Hidden Stance heavy on block or hit, which can lead to some mixups, and she can 'cycle' her dash attacks for pressure (dash heavy --> Viper's Retreat --> dash light --> dash heavy etc..). Against good players it's a bad idea because her attacks are quite slow, but if you mix it up right you can open people up with surprise kicks or cancels into Hidden Stance if the opponent tries to fish a parry out of you. She suffers from a lack of openers, but with good mind fuckery and reading skills you can ace people pretty well. The game all round is a billion times better than it was a year ago tho. I'm just chuffed that my Kensei finally got a rework. Mained him since Beta, so it was nice to turn into a fuckin' murder machine of vengeful wrath come S5.
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Frozenfries posted:The game all round is a billion times better than it was a year ago tho. I'm just chuffed that my Kensei finally got a rework. Mained him since Beta, so it was nice to turn into a fuckin' murder machine of vengeful wrath come S5. Kensei went from being one of, if not the worst character to what they are now as well, which is pretty incredible. For anyone maybe newer, I probably still have a post from months ago in this thread bemoaning that they were essentially "What not to make a character" because of their power and the meta at the time being especially cruel to them, as they had no real way to crack defense. Like people nowadays can and still do turtle, but plenty of characters can open them up or punish them now, meanwhile when the game was still very young not only did assloads more people turtle, it was because turtling was the game winning strat, there was no reason to go on the offensive against another good player because they'd easily parry, which back then you got a guaranteed guard break, then thanks to that they'd wallsplat you or get a guaranteed heavy and then you were on the backfoot until they bored you into your next attack. That or warlord would instabash headbutt and guaranteed light poke you over and over for next to zero stamina each time until you died, because warlord at their prime got to ignore all the rules of the game.
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Frozenfries posted:Cent is [...] not broken at all, he's just boring because he excels at being an opportunistic turtle. Can't be worse than Conquerer.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Can't be worse than Conquerer. I've tried New Conqueror a few times and timing the super block to do the super retaliation uppercut attack seems frustratingly impossible and I get a lot more mileage just wailing on people (I'm guessing people see so few conquerors they don't have the parry timings down as well).
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Does anybody have any advice on Shugoki? I picked this up over the free weekend and I really like Shugoki but everybody seems to know to stay just out of my range and poke me to death/turtle up and block all my guard breaks until a friend shows up. Is there a way to close distances on people that isn't the finicky zone attack? I can't get it to go off reliably and instead I end up doing the heavy attack. I've watched a couple Shugoki videos but I guess I'm not grasping how to deal with so many small fast guys running around.
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If you having problems with zone attacks (and are using a controller) try to consciously think to hit heavy ‘first’, but still try to hit both buttons at the same time. That sounds strange but it seems to work for me. Shugoki is in kind of a rough place right now, although I still love me some fat man. His offense has no really strong moves that force a tight reaction. You’ll really need to master basics like Mind games, feints and knowing your opponents move set. Try playing much more passively, and try this exercise - never press light attack until you see your opponent attack first. They will hit you, but the hyper armor will let your light attack connect (unless they have a confirmed 2nd hit, you’re pretty hosed then). Then headbutt, get in their face and do it again. Occasionally throw a heavy, feint, then gb. No doubt you will lose some games like this (some attacks may out trade you in damage), but stick with it. This will help to enforce that Shugo fights are about a series of engagements where you trade damage, then the fight is ‘reset’ (headbutt or you run away to get hyper armor back). The pace should be slow. Later on you will need to master learning when you can take a hit on the hyper armor and gb through the hit, which leads to the throw -> wall splat -> confirmed embrace. Play duels to really learn him, 4v4s are tough without really knowing Shugs style. You take extra bonus damage when you take hits without the hyper armor, making getting ganked as Shug very dangerous. To start beating mid level players reliably you’ll need to start using every dirty trick in the book. If you manage to get someone on the ground you can perfect the timing of the hug to catch them on wake up(correct timing is tight, but done correctly they can’t dodge). There is an emote that looks like the start of Deamons Embrace, you can use that to hopefully force a dodge and catch them. Do crazy rolls in middle of combat (for some reason people always seem to throw a gb, which bounces off the throw), and throw a light attack as soon as your out. Do weirdo moves where you turn away to start running, then unlock attack (this whips you around instantly for an attack). Use the Oni Charge even though it doesn’t confirm you any damage to maybe force a dodge that you can catch with a gb. The zone attack, even if parried, should leave you out of range of any character besides Nobushi (you must not hold move forward while using zone, instead hold move backward). Basically you have to hustle to go on offense with Shugoki, and most tricks could be used as any character and be more effective than using them as Shugoki. I do love sitting on people and rubbing my tummy on executes, so although there are defiantly more effective characters out there, I still love the fat man. TopRamenShaman on YouTube has a lot of Shugoki videos, he’s good but not godlike. So I feel like he is a good template for learning. Captain Beans fucked around with this message at 05:07 on May 10, 2018 |
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Shear Modulus posted:I've tried New Conqueror a few times and timing the super block to do the super retaliation uppercut attack seems frustratingly impossible and I get a lot more mileage just wailing on people (I'm guessing people see so few conquerors they don't have the parry timings down as well). Use Conqueror's full block in the middle of a bunch of minions. Their attacks trigger the uppercut. Thank me later. 
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Shear Modulus posted:I've tried New Conqueror a few times and timing the super block You basically can't do it on reaction, you have to just block to try and predict the enemy. If the enemy throws an attack at about the same time, hold it and do the counter. If they don't, drop it and expect them to probably try a guard break. If they guard break you in full block you can't counter, but you can drop full block really fast. Actually, if your opponent starts going for a gb every time you full block you can just tap it and then throw a heavy to hit them when they try for the guard break.
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Captain Beans posted:If you having problems with zone attacks (and are using a controller) try to consciously think to hit heavy ‘first’, but still try to hit both buttons at the same time. That sounds strange but it seems to work for me. (not sure if you can do that on an actual console, but with Steam you can use its controller settings to set that up) cock hero flux posted:You basically can't do it on reaction, you have to just block to try and predict the enemy. If the enemy throws an attack at about the same time, hold it and do the counter. If they don't, drop it and expect them to probably try a guard break. If they guard break you in full block you can't counter, but you can drop full block really fast. Actually, if your opponent starts going for a gb every time you full block you can just tap it and then throw a heavy to hit them when they try for the guard break.
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