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Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


punk rebel ecks posted:

I was under the impression that Pachakutik were "the good guys"?

No.

Pomeroy posted:

https://www.liberationnews.org/will-the-left-return-to-power-in-ecuador/

"Pérez presents himself as a left wing environmentalist and a representative of the country’s Indigenous movement. But he and his political movement have in fact been close allies of Ecuador’s right wing that represents the country’s traditional oligarchy. Pérez has said he is open to trade deals with the United States and has openly courted U.S. officials. He is an avowed opponent of many of the leaders targeted for regime change by the United States, having supported the fascist coup against Evo Morales in Bolivia in 2019 and attempts to overthrow President Nicolás Maduro of Venezuela. Perez’s movement played a role in an unsuccessful coup attempt to remove Rafael Correa from office in 2010."

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/06/yaku-perez-pachakutik-ecuador-us-coup/

"Pérez’s ostensibly progressive ideology is filled with contradictions. While the Correista candidate Arauz has proposed giving $1000 checks to one million working-class Ecuadorian families, Pérez has attacked the plan on the grounds that poor citizens would spend all the money on beer in one day."

'The party of Pérez, Pachakutik, identifies as “ecosocialist” and claims to represent Ecuador’s Indigenous communities. But like the candidate that leads it, it employs left-wing rhetoric to paper over regressive goals.'

'Pachakutik is closely linked to NGOs funded by Washington and EU member states. The party’s leaders have been trained by the US government-funded National Democratic Institute (NDI), a CIA cutout that operates under the auspices of the National Endowment for Democracy.'

'In the past, Pérez and Pachakutik helped lead protests against Ecuador’s former President Correa, forming an unspoken alliance with the country’s right-wing oligarchs in a bid to destabilize and overthrow the socialist president. In fact, Pachakutik played a significant role in a US-backed 2010 coup attempt that came close to undemocratically removing Correa from power.'

'The leading right-wing candidate in the 2021 election, the wealthy banker Lasso, is not threatened by the “ecosocialist” rhetoric of Pérez and Pachakutik. He seems keenly aware that the label is just a marketing plot. Lasso publicly declared that if Pérez somehow made it to a second round, Lasso would gladly support Pérez to defeat the Correistas.'

'The banker’s endorsement is unsurprising when one considers that, back in 2017, before he changed his name from Carlos to Yaku, Pérez himself supported Lasso’s presidential bid.'

'Even before the violent regime change operation, Pérez was a harsh critic of Morales, accusing him and Correa of “authoritarianism, machismo, extractivism, and populism.” Pérez flatly refused to recognize the legitimacy of Evo’s government.'

'In 2017, Pérez attacked Evo again, tweeting, “His ignorance is encyclopedic. Evo is biologically Indigenous; in terms of his identity he whitewashed and colonized himself and doesn’t feel or understand the Native cosmovision.”'

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Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Perez definitely sucks. He is the D.C. candidate.

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

punk rebel ecks posted:

Isn't he still attacking him from the left? Arauz threw Correa under the bus though and has been moving Ecuador further to the right.

I'm not sure left vs. right is an adequate framing on this. Perez has specific issues where his position is very dependant on the desire of his constituents.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
Wow, those examples make Perez seem to fit right in with the Bolivian anti-MAS environmental crowd.

America Inc.
Nov 22, 2013

I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

It seems like I've been missing out on a very good thread there in C-SPAM, thank you.

And I was giving Pérez waaaay too much benefit of the doubt.

Spice World War II
Jul 12, 2004

punk rebel ecks posted:

I was under the impression that Pachakutik were "the good guys"?

Yaku Perez and Pachakutik are not the "good guys". They combine left-wing "ecosocialist" rhetoric with a lot of right-wing policies and decisions. When asked about a 1000$ covid stimulus plan proposed by Arauz, Perez provided the soundbite of "poor people will just spend it on beer". Perez supported the right-wing candidate's, Lasso, who now beat him to second place, in 2017. Perez vocally supported the coup in Bolivia in 2019 and refused to recognize the Evo Morales governement even before that, declaring Evo's identity "whitewashed and colonized"

https://twitter.com/yakuperezg/status/868477733311066112

He didn't offer a single comment when the coup regime in Bolivia started burning wiphala's and held up bibles declaring the indigenous protestors satanic, he was a fan of the lawfare that removed the Workers' Party in Brazil, declared Arauz to be the Maduro of Ecuador, supports a coup in Venezuela of course and is critical of the current left-wing government in Argentina.

Perez convictions supposedly come from an ultra-left wing, anarchist point of view, which allows him to express himself almost always only as a critic of other existing left-wing governments, but at the same time he is happily working with right-wing allies and always emphasizing how much he looks forward to working with the US. His wife, who is a french-brazillian academic turned "ecuadorian indigenous activist academic" was actively providing cover for the coup in Bolivia by think-tanking stories perpetuating the lie that the christo-fascist Santa Cruz agri-business interests where "environmental protests", and when the fascists were burning and looting houses of MAS politicians, almost lynching some of them and their families, she was using her academic position to claim that it was in fact "Morales militias" terrorizing the streets.

Pachakutik (like the Bolivian coup) are very popular with idiots like Extinction Rebellion, and in general seem to be a perfect sale for western audiences:

https://americasquarterly.org/article/yaku-perez-the-new-face-of-ecuadors-left/
https://www.as-coa.org/about/coa-corporate-members

Pachakutik might still have been the better option than Lasso, if the race had been between those two and had they fielded a different candidate, but Perez was literally shouting Trumpisms the whole time (things like the beer money, fraud accusations even before the election, massive fraud after the election with the same amount of evidence as Trump had etc). But they fielded Perez, and Arauz is the better option anyway.

Spice World War II
Jul 12, 2004

punk rebel ecks posted:

Isn't he still attacking him from the left? Arauz threw Correa under the bus though and has been moving Ecuador further to the right.

Lenin Moreno threw Correa under the bus and moved Ecuador to the right. He now got something like 2% of the vote this time around and is no longer a factor. Arauz is running on the left, which is why Moreno and the CNE were trying their best to prevent him from being allowed to run.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
Interesting stuff, thanks.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


punk rebel ecks posted:

Wow, those examples make Perez seem to fit right in with the Bolivian anti-MAS environmental crowd.

He's probably a Russell Means type

Spice World War II
Jul 12, 2004
So, Perez did not get his recount. Turns out the legal triggers for a recount were not met and the "pact" between OAS, Lasso and Perez to force it fell apart when Lasso turned out to be secure to be in the runoff. So now Lasso doesn't push for a recount anymore and the OAS is asking for a speedy runoff election :toot:

So the National Electoral Council CNE voted on it anyway and there were not enough votes for a recount.

Then this happens:


https://twitter.com/Ecuador_On_Q/status/1363331205584867331?s=19

https://twitter.com/Ecuador_On_Q/status/1363461411117162496?s=19

Spice World War II
Jul 12, 2004
They're gonna try their hardest to ban Arauz from the runoff...

https://twitter.com/PrensaCamila/status/1364693220240859137

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


just banning the first place winner by a large margin from the runoff nbd normal democracy stuff here

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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Cup Runneth Over posted:

just banning the first place winner by a large margin from the runoff nbd normal democracy stuff here

Have they actually banned him or are they just getting very cross and yelling that they will/ should ban them because they are winning too much?

Spice World War II
Jul 12, 2004

Josef bugman posted:

Have they actually banned him or are they just getting very cross and yelling that they will/ should ban them because they are winning too much?

They tried to ban him even before the first round, and now are doing their best to either lay the groundwork for a ban or at least to smear him enough to lower his chances significantly

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
Amazon rainforest plots sold via Facebook Marketplace ads: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56168844

This part seems telling:

quote:

Facebook said it was "ready to work with local authorities", but indicated it would not take independent action of its own to halt the trade.

In other words, because the Bolsonaro government is OK with stealing land from indigenous people and wrecking the environment, Facebook is under no real pressure to do anything to stop it, so it won't, because Zuckerberg has no sense of moral responsibility.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
This has been making rounds as some of the Latin American self-defined left is angry at Jacobin and Grayzone.

Spice World War II
Jul 12, 2004
Yeah well the drat article literally quotes a tweet by one of the biggest coup cheerleaders in 2019 Bolivia. I wonder why the article says extinction rebellion was unfairly targeted? Oh right, it's because Canning associates with them and XR was carrying water for the coup especially in Europe... Before he started tweeting in defense of Perez, he was tweeting in 2020! after MAS won again in Bolivia in defense of the HRC funded rios de pie's stunts (getting arrested for blocking the doors to parliament) that immediately tried to reestablish the "this elected government is the real Dictatorship" narrative again. Ben Norton as usual overstates his case and always sees too much CIA and conspiracy everywhere, but the points Perez is being criticized on everyone can still just check by reading the man's own social media and watching his speeches, and the criticism isn't based on one Ben Norton article. This is the same playbook as Bolivia 2019, by the same people, literally, if you check the signatures. In Bolivia they used footage of the Christian fascist rallies shot from a drone and sold them as environmental and human rights and feminist protest, by simply dropping the audio track. If you watched the same footage with audio, you could hear the speakers on stage shout about driving out the satanic Indians.
In Ecuador, and you can either choose to believe the man himself and read Perez own social media and watch his interviews (and as a bonus read/listen to his wife, a white European woman, declare actual 100% indigenous leaders "no real indigenous people"), or you can choose to believe this letter and act like it's all deep fakes or something...

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Imagine going after Jacobin for being too hostile to US backed 'ecosocialist' running dogs. lmfao

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Extinction Rebellion have been a massively obvious op from day one.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
Extinction Rebellion is completely inorganic, top-down funded by dark money, zero memes. It completely depends on having its content paid promoted.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
Lol we're still loving this chicken I guess

https://twitter.com/SecBlinken/status/1366917587578331144

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

https://twitter.com/CharmingGrump/status/1367188908954382337?s=20
https://twitter.com/CharmingGrump/status/1367240048052117508?s=20

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


https://twitter.com/davidrkadler/st...ingawful.com%2F

e: more info:

https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1369719626586800130

brugroffil fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Mar 10, 2021

Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

In some good news, an arrest warrant has been issued for Añez
https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1370434227557298184
https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1370446694861656064

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna
https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1370729668349939713?s=19

Here's hoping Camacho gets nabbed before going to ground.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Actions... have consequences? This is totally unprecedented in the West

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007
Honestly I’m just waiting for Western NGOs to denounce this.

Traveller
Jan 6, 2012

WHIM AND FOPPERY

I can't believe General Baquedano is dead

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
I can't believe she hadn't left the country months ago

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007

steinrokkan posted:

I can't believe she hadn't left the country months ago

It’s not like the US wouldn’t have openly welcomed her and let her set up a government in exile.

Redczar
Nov 9, 2011

Traveller posted:

I can't believe General Baquedano is dead

Allende wasn’t even able to kill him, yet he died under Piñi’s watch :sad:

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep
https://twitter.com/UzalaAntifa/status/1370798944234528768?s=19

SexyBlindfold
Apr 24, 2008
i dont care how much probation i get capital letters are for squares hehe im so laid back an nice please read my low effort shitposts about the arab spring

thanxs!!!

Traveller posted:

I can't believe General Baquedano is dead

Honestly it's for the best, i'm all for elderly folks remaining sexually active, but developing a latex kink that late in life was pretty hard to watch

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
r/Bolivia is having a meltdown.

Moron posted:

Its sad because we bolivians have had an insight into the imputation and have seen no evidence whatsoever, anticipating how corrupt and shameful the trial will be.

Guy Responding to Moron posted:

I don't mind you stating your opinion but don't assume you speak for all Bolivians. As far as I saw her presidency was just as currupt as many of the previous presidents.

Moron's Response posted:

I do mind you repliying your opinion with no though whatsoever in what I've said.

Was her presidency corrupt? Yes. Should she be put on trial for charges of corruption? Yes.

The problem here is that she is being indicted on charges of staging a coup, a narrative that falls apart when you see one of the nunerous laws ratified by the legislative asembly controled by a oposition who could have unrecognized her and nominate a president. Or like when Arce was interview in national TV and state that she was "a transitional president, a constitutional transitional president, but a transitional president nonetheless."


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The Problem with Anez is that she wasn't more fascist! posted:

Just curious as to whether you're a Bolivian living outside of the country during this whole ordeal or an actual resident and if so could you specify where?

Because anyone living in Bolivia knows that we have no real justice due to the MAS party since the laws only apply to the opposition and not the MAS militants.

While Añez was a terrible transitional president for not doing what the MAS is doing to her right now and surrounding herself with the same people that Morales did at no point in time did a coup exist (Outside of Morales's coup when he went against the referendom results against his rerererelection) but she's being illegally detained due to sedition and terrorism while the narrative of a coup is still being pushed.

To contrast Añez's persecution by the MAS party in cochabamba we've got actual seditious MAS militants (K'ara K'ara) that have openly stated that they will not let Manfred govern and they will create their own municipality so you know actual terrorism and sedition, yet not a peep from the 'justice' branch. Link

So please clarify that for me since a great of majority of Bolivians live with the reality that in this country justice is selective and tainted by the MAS party so we know how corrupt and forced her trial will be if this is the way they're detaining her and her ministers.

Can anyone tell me what the link says or how (un)reliable the source is? I'm curious.


________________________________________________________________________________________________

The Colonizers Only Controlled Bolivia for Four Terms! posted:

Correction you were born in Bolivia but you have spent the majority of your life living in other countries because only a tourist would say this rediculous and unprovable nonsense

"Until recently the European descended minority has for more than hundred years tried and succeeded in destroying native population history and languages. "

Secondly, Bolivia is 196 years old, thats not "hundreds of years" and those "European descended minority" have only held power what? 4 times in the past 100 years? and they were the same people who brought universal suffrage to the indigenous so the entire claim that they have magically eradicated languages and cultures is just a flat out lie.

Thirdly, considering the majority of Bolivia's natural resources are on the west, not the east if Media Luna which is made up of multiple low land indigenous are willing to go as far as to claim autonomy from the entire country knowing they will have no natural resources I think that speaks volumes and completely shits on your claims.

shimmy shimmy
Nov 13, 2020
The rest of it is all pretty amazing but I think

quote:

Secondly, Bolivia is 196 years old, thats not "hundreds of years"

This is my favorite bit of idiocy. Guess you're just some dumb tourist, to call 196 years hundreds of years.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Nucleic Acids posted:

Honestly I’m just waiting for Western NGOs to denounce this.

Already have. https://twitter.com/OVargas52/status/1370526034966220806?s=19

https://twitter.com/OVargas52/status/1370694176451530753?s=19

Redczar
Nov 9, 2011

Vaccination program is going swimmingly in Paraguay

https://twitter.com/mundoeconflicto/status/1371958504622338049?s=21

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate



For a brief moment I let myself hope that you weren't being sarcastic :(

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
A few weeks old but the Dominican Republic taking cues from Trumpt:

quote:

SANTO DOMINGO (Reuters) - The Dominican Republic will begin constructing a fence along its 376-kilometer (234 mi) border with Haiti later this year to curb unauthorized migration and illicit trade, President Luis Abinader said on Saturday.

“In a period of two years, we want to put an end to the serious problems of illegal immigration, drug trafficking and the movement of stolen vehicles,” Abinader said in a presentation to Congress.

Construction of the border fence, whose cost has not been disclosed, will begin in the second half of 2021, Abinader said.

The barrier will include a double-fence in the “most conflictive” sections, along with motion sensors, facial recognition cameras and infrared systems, he added, speaking on the 177th anniversary of the country’s independence from Haiti.

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Redczar
Nov 9, 2011

Sorry to continue Baquedano chat but lol
https://twitter.com/ChristianEspe21/status/1371945325427064841?s=20

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