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claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING

Rikimaru posted:

How do you get this nifty chart?

There's a two-step process.

1. Go to Steam Completionist and log in.
2. Fill out your games (it'll auto-cover "played" and "unplayed", but you have to blacklist and list as "beaten" manually the first time out).

The chart will fill out in the top right corner. It's handy.

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The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

There's no website that perfectly tracks my games, but Steam Completionist does it with minimal fuss. I actually keep a txt file with current and ongoing game progress, like how far into a game I am, how many hours a game is on HowLongToBeat, etc. It's a system that works for me.

I AM BRAWW
Jul 18, 2014

Helith posted:

As a woman who loves playing games the constant misogyny, objectification and sexualisation of women in games is just depressing. Sad and depressing that in this day and age people don't realise how exclusionary those attitudes are.
What's worse is that it's impossible to have a proper sensible debate about it at the moment.

Nobody cares, shut the gently caress up.

Old Doggy Bastard
Dec 18, 2008

I'm more interested in the fact that sexual content is being approved from a business standpoint, the fact people buy porn or barely-porn-at-all is not something that bothers me. Witch Hunter 2 is a game I got on Steam which shows full frontal female nudity if I remember, and while I'm glad that nudity is not a deal breaker on Steam the flood of lovely erotic games and hentai visual novels would suck. Mostly it would suck due to the downpour of low-quality games that already seems to be around.

If you want a game with some real bare breasts and cock, Hatoful Boyfriend is a good place to put your money. I'm only five minutes into the game and I've got more than enough pidgeon content return on my investment.

Helith
Nov 5, 2009

Basket of Adorables


I AM BRAWW posted:

Nobody cares, shut the gently caress up.

Thanks for proving my point I guess.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Hatoful Boyfriend is great. You can turn off animes and get pigeons and birds 100% of the time.

Also apparently I live in a cave.

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 17, 2004

Old Doggy Bastard posted:

I'm more interested in the fact that sexual content is being approved from a business standpoint, the fact people buy porn or barely-porn-at-all is not something that bothers me. Witch Hunter 2 is a game I got on Steam which shows full frontal female nudity if I remember, and while I'm glad that nudity is not a deal breaker on Steam the flood of lovely erotic games and hentai visual novels would suck. Mostly it would suck due to the downpour of low-quality games that already seems to be around.

If you want a game with some real bare breasts and cock, Hatoful Boyfriend is a good place to put your money. I'm only five minutes into the game and I've got more than enough pidgeon content return on my investment.

I wouldn't even call Sakura Spirit "barely porn", it's basically just a parade of scantily clad ladies and whatnot. The Witcher games have more sexual content. The worst part about Sakura Spirit is how little substance it has and how it's devoid of anything entertaining whatsoever.

A Fancy 400 lbs
Jul 24, 2008

Manatee Cannon posted:

Why can't they be both?

Well, they can be, but I mean the basic concept. Of course something with like lolicon or poo poo like that will be gross.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

I AM BRAWW posted:

Nobody cares, shut the gently caress up.

:gb2gbs:

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

SynthOrange posted:

Hatoful Boyfriend is great. You can turn off animes and get pigeons and birds 100% of the time.

Also apparently I live in a cave.
I thought you lived in a pigeon apartment complex or something? You actually live in a cave?

Helith posted:

As a woman who loves playing games the constant misogyny, objectification and sexualisation of women in games is just depressing. Sad and depressing that in this day and age people don't realise how exclusionary those attitudes are.
What's worse is that it's impossible to have a proper sensible debate about it at the moment.

I think you can have a proper dialog, it's just that it's usually framed in such a way as to be very antagonistic. It's a topic that's politicized. Fer and agin'. ESPECIALLY the entertainment news bloggers.

You say debate but no one's trying to learn anything about the other side - or the other side may not understand what riles them up about it. It's two groups on either side of a wall yelling at the wall in between them.

I mean, what is there to debate about it? We can see the reality of the situation - we can even identify the extremes and the exaggerations of that reality.

What would you want to talk about sensibly? How you feel about it? How you feel it affects people growing into it, or working within it, or surrounded by it? Again, that's not a debate, it's a very personal and subjective criticism. What's more challenging, men and women think very differently, and experience some aspects of society at literally near-alien relative fashions. It's a great topic to share and be educated on at a personal level, but not to debate a hostile group (in context, both sides are antipathetic).

Just think on how charged things like affirmative action was/is, or even genderless socioeconomic classism. People are VERY quick to take the outliers that beg their question in order to defuse arguments against them, because they're just not educated/trained well enough to identify what they're doing. And people trying to argue aren't equipped to teach those people, either. It's too emotionally charged.

Lasering issues of feminism and gender equity/equality down into the super micro hobby-world of 'Games' also often feels like it's missing the forest for the trees - or even the singular tree. What's even worse is that Video Games as a medium are nowhere near a point of general sophistication to say '"games are sexist (because of)"' or '"game companies in particular are more sexist than other entertainment companies"' and expect some sort of resolution at the point of focus.

If you want to talk about it, I think it's well worth talking about, but you can't frame it with winners and losers, not at this time. It really does need to be zero sum, with a lot of moderation. Directed and constant moderation - because the tumbler trigger-sjws and whatever they are called on the other side both exist to create noise, rather than any useful signal, and then a lot of other people love to just contribute to the noise as well, because it also doesn't require any particular training but gets immediate feedback and attention.

Drifter fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Sep 16, 2014

Tamba
Apr 5, 2010

Lance Streetman posted:

Apparently the publisher cut some kinda deal with Valve to add the porn back into it awhile back.


Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

What? Are you thinking of another game? There's no porn in any game on Steam nor will there ever be.

Sakura Spirit never had any porn to begin with. There were rumors that the publisher is planning something like that for Grisaia, but it seems like that's not true either

raspy trashfucker
Jul 5, 2014

Helith posted:

As a woman who loves playing games the constant misogyny, objectification and sexualisation of women in games is just depressing. Sad and depressing that in this day and age people don't realise how exclusionary those attitudes are.
What's worse is that it's impossible to have a proper sensible debate about it at the moment.

Why does it bother you for women to be sexual? They're human beings and sex is part of that.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Dont forget your complementary fedoras on the way in.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

SynthOrange posted:

Dont forget your complementary fedoras on the way in.
"m'gamer girl."

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.
I wonder how they draw the line when it comes to "acceptable nudity" on Steam. You can have full frontal nudity of women in the Witcher and of men in GTA and they get away fine, but they'd have a much harder time showing bare crotches in a lesser-known title. I suppose it comes down to money, as usual.

In any case, from what I've gathered even the usual VN enthusiasts who don't bat an eyelid at nudity and sex scenes consider Sakura Spirit trash. Don't give them money even at 50% off.

E:

I can tell this thread is going to a great direction now.

Kanfy fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Sep 16, 2014

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

Kanfy posted:

In any case, from what I've gathered even the usual VN enthusiasts who don't bat an eyelid at nudity and sex scenes consider Sakura Spirit trash. Don't give them money even at 50% off.

Speaking of, just two more months until the new Bioware Dragon Age!

And unrelated, everyone's saying Wasteland 2 will be 33GB. That fuckin' blows my mind. It's almost offensive.

Croccers
Jun 15, 2012

Drifter posted:

And unrelated, everyone's saying Wasteland 2 will be 33GB. That fuckin' blows my mind. It's almost offensive.
I wish it would drop to release price so I can buy it and pre-load if it's really going to be THAT large.
Also Roundabout is out in a few days! :neckbeard:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/303430/

It features a :butt: mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNac8hiRAJ4

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

~ shameful ~





Soiled Meat

Croccers posted:

I wish it would drop to release price so I can buy it and pre-load if it's really going to be THAT large.
Also Roundabout is out in a few days! :neckbeard:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/303430/

It features a :butt: mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNac8hiRAJ4
THIS.

This is a game I can get behind.

Helith
Nov 5, 2009

Basket of Adorables


Drifter posted:


I think you can have a proper dialog, it's just that it's usually framed in such a way as to be very antagonistic. It's a topic that's politicized. Fer and agin'. ESPECIALLY the entertainment news bloggers.

You say debate but no one's trying to learn anything about the other side - or the other side may not understand what riles them up about it. It's two groups on either side of a wall yelling at the wall in between them.

I mean, what is there to debate about it? We can see the reality of the situation - we can even identify the extremes and the exaggerations of that reality.

What would you want to talk about sensibly? How you feel about it? How you feel it affects people growing into it, or working within it, or surrounded by it? Again, that's not a debate, it's a very personal and subjective criticism. What's more challenging, men and women think very differently, and experience some aspects of society at literally near-alien relative fashions. It's a great topic to share and be educated on at a personal level, but not to debate a hostile group (in context, both sides are antipathetic).

Just think on how charged things like affirmative action was/is, or even genderless socioeconomic classism. People are VERY quick to take the outliers that beg their question in order to defuse arguments against them, because they're just not educated/trained well enough to identify what they're doing. And people trying to argue aren't equipped to teach those people, either. It's too emotionally charged.

Lasering issues of feminism and gender equity/equality down into the super micro hobby-world of 'Games' also often feels like it's missing the forest for the trees - or even the singular tree. What's even worse is that Video Games as a medium are nowhere near a point of general sophistication to say '"games are sexist (because of)"' or '"game companies in particular are more sexist than other entertainment companies"' and expect some sort of resolution at the point of focus.

If you want to talk about it, I think it's well worth talking about, but you can't frame it with winners and losers, not at this time. It really does need to be zero sum, with a lot of moderation. Directed and constant moderation - because the tumbler trigger-sjws and whatever they are called on the other side both exist to create noise, rather than any useful signal, and then a lot of other people love to just contribute to the noise as well, because it also doesn't require any particular training but gets immediate feedback and attention.

Yeah, the current shitstorm around this issue has spiralled very quickly out of control and no one involved in that is doing themselves any favours. Perhaps 'debate' was the wrong word and maybe you're right that the time has passed for that to be useful. Everyone knows the issues and has their opinions and has drawn their line in the sand over it.

I think it's really a symptom of a much wider societal issue and one that is deeply entrenched in society. Games, like any art, are a reflection of society and the values, attitudes and mores within it. Everyone internalises their societies attitudes and yeah, it can feel like an attack if someone else questions those values. I suppose wider societal changes will need to become the norm before game companies start reflecting that too and they feel it's viable to appeal to a broader demographic.


raspy trashfucker posted:

Why does it bother you for women to be sexual? They're human beings and sex is part of that.

Very true, sex is part of being a human, for both men and women. What bothers me is depictions of women where being sexual is their only character trait.

Crack
Apr 10, 2009

Kanfy posted:

I wonder how they draw the line when it comes to "acceptable nudity" on Steam. You can have full frontal nudity of women in the Witcher and of men in GTA and they get away fine, but they'd have a much harder time showing bare crotches in a lesser-known title. I suppose it comes down to money, as usual.


Well AAA titles are rated by the esrb or whatever but I doubt valve wants to moderate a load of what is potentially porn from smaller studios.

I AM THE MOON
Dec 21, 2012

being sexual, as far as I can tell, is also raspys only character trait

Freak Futanari
Apr 11, 2008
It's pretty telling that none of the people dissing Sakura Spirit have actually played it. Methinks you should pull your heads out of your culturally myopic asses and mayhaps learn to appreciate other cultures? If you would only spend ten minutes of your carefully scheduled "jerk off to Game Of Thrones fanfics" time on actually broadening your horizons, you would learn that traditional Japanese artforms actually offer a fresh and nuanced perspective on sexuality that your tragically repressed American brains may hopefully one day learn to understand...

duckfarts
Jul 2, 2010

~ shameful ~





Soiled Meat

Freak Futanari posted:

It's pretty telling that none of the people dissing Sakura Spirit have actually played it. Methinks you should pull your heads out of your culturally myopic asses and mayhaps learn to appreciate other cultures? If you would only spend ten minutes of your carefully scheduled "jerk off to Game Of Thrones fanfics" time on actually broadening your horizons, you would learn that traditional Japanese artforms actually offer a fresh and nuanced perspective on sexuality that your tragically repressed American brains may hopefully one day learn to understand...

Please source your quotes, thank you.

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.

Freak Futanari posted:

It's pretty telling that none of the people dissing Sakura Spirit have actually played it. Methinks you should pull your heads out of your culturally myopic asses and mayhaps learn to appreciate other cultures? If you would only spend ten minutes of your carefully scheduled "jerk off to Game Of Thrones fanfics" time on actually broadening your horizons, you would learn that traditional Japanese artforms actually offer a fresh and nuanced perspective on sexuality that your tragically repressed American brains may hopefully one day learn to understand...

Joke's on you, Sakura Spirit is made by filthy gaijin hands and thus merely a pale imitation of the real art created by true 日本人 artists.

Your praise of it only shows your own ignorance, not that of others.

FadedReality
Sep 5, 2007

Okurrrr?

Helith posted:

Yeah, the current shitstorm around this issue has spiralled very quickly out of control and no one involved in that is doing themselves any favours. Perhaps 'debate' was the wrong word and maybe you're right that the time has passed for that to be useful. Everyone knows the issues and has their opinions and has drawn their line in the sand over it.

I think it's really a symptom of a much wider societal issue and one that is deeply entrenched in society. Games, like any art, are a reflection of society and the values, attitudes and mores within it. Everyone internalises their societies attitudes and yeah, it can feel like an attack if someone else questions those values. I suppose wider societal changes will need to become the norm before game companies start reflecting that too and they feel it's viable to appeal to a broader demographic.


Very true, sex is part of being a human, for both men and women. What bothers me is depictions of women where being sexual is their only character trait.

Yeah, what really bugs me about the entire conversation is that there are sexist things happening in the real world of game development as exposed a couple years ago. Things that, as far as I'm aware, haven't really shifted all that much since then. So what we are generally having a "debate" over, then, is manchildren who don't respect women as equal to men in real life making games that don't respect women as equal to men. Not that we shouldn't be pointing out how dumb it is and push for more equal representation in games. You know, an accurate representation of reality where women do heroic poo poo all the time.

e: Also everyone buy Postal 2 because you can throw diseased cow heads around and make people puke blood until they die :getin:

FadedReality fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Sep 16, 2014

Nefarious
Sep 26, 2000

by XyloJW
Would you guys recommend playing XCOM vanilla on the first playthrough or jump in with both feet to EW too?

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal
do Enemy Within.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Nefarious posted:

Would you guys recommend playing XCOM vanilla on the first playthrough or jump in with both feet to EW too?

I started with EW, and I'd recommend to others. The expac additions felt pretty seamless, to the extent that I was surprised when I found some things weren't in the base game. The new things it introduces are spread out pretty well so you don't get overwhelmed.

FadedReality
Sep 5, 2007

Okurrrr?
Not to mention it changes and fixes enough stuff from the base game that recommending an initial run through of vanilla is only useful from a "see what's new" standpoint.

Freak Futanari
Apr 11, 2008

Kanfy posted:

Joke's on you, Sakura Spirit is made by filthy gaijin hands and thus merely a pale imitation of the real art created by true 日本人 artists.

Your praise of it only shows your own ignorance, not that of others.

Actually, it just shows that some content creators are willing to leave their comfort zones and embrace other cultures and other ways of life with open hearts, and make an effort to understand the depth behind Japanese art and try to attain that same depth in their own work. Maybe you should tone down the racism...

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

Freak Futanari posted:

Actually, it just shows that some content creators are willing to leave their comfort zones and embrace other cultures and other ways of life with open hearts, and make an effort to understand the depth behind Japanese art and try to attain that same depth in their own work. Maybe you should tone down the racism...

If he toned down the racism then he'd appreciate the nuanced story and lovingly presented anime titties?

FadedReality
Sep 5, 2007

Okurrrr?

Freak Futanari posted:

Actually, it just shows that some content creators are willing to leave their comfort zones and embrace other cultures and other ways of life with open hearts, and make an effort to understand the depth behind Japanese art and try to attain that same depth in their own work. Maybe you should tone down the racism...

Japan should be cut off from the rest of the world forever for inflicting their dumb cartoons and comics on us.

Truman did nothing wrong

KoldPT
Oct 9, 2012
Wow, you guys are really sick. Disgusting xenophobes.

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord
They are truly uncultured American swine that can't appreciate the deep and thought-provoking interactive art from Nippon.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

KoldPT posted:

xenophobes

Yes, we are talking about Japan.

im gay
Jul 20, 2013

by Lowtax

Palpek posted:

I checked what Weeklong Deals are and saw Sakura Spirit.

Picked this up with my leftover Steam balance. I know what I'm doing tonight.

Wiggly Wayne DDS
Sep 11, 2010



Nefarious posted:

Would you guys recommend playing XCOM vanilla on the first playthrough or jump in with both feet to EW too?
Start with EU. You'll learn the tech tree and balancing panic, and for the next game EW will shake things up.

Play on Classic (ironman optional but encouraged) - easy/normal cheat in your favour and will teach bad habits.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Starting on Classic can also mean restarting a bunch of times as a learning exercise, whereas on Normal it's easier to scrape through.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

Nefarious posted:

Would you guys recommend playing XCOM vanilla on the first playthrough or jump in with both feet to EW too?

Enemy Within for sure. Start on normal, play around until you get bored because it's too easy because you understand how the game works, then up the difficulty and restart.

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Dodoman
Feb 26, 2009



A moment of laxity
A lifetime of regret
Lipstick Apathy

I AM BRAWW posted:

Nobody cares, shut the gently caress up.

quote:

Please check out my music and you can hear how I'm all hosed up but it's not a bad thing because I know who I am and I like who I am. Please listen to my music.
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