|
Bosch is entering the safer tablesaw market. Portable saw only at the moment, but I have great hope that they will either market the technology like SawStop sort of tried to, or that it will at least continue to introduce some competition and market demand in the braking saw market. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbDf2dpQVIY Doesn't destroy the blade, either!
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 22:24
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 29, 2024 08:16 |
|
|
Hypnolobster posted:Bosch is entering the safer tablesaw market. Portable saw only at the moment, but I have great hope that they will either market the technology like SawStop sort of tried to, or that it will at least continue to introduce some competition and market demand in the braking saw market. That looks really cool. I hope it's successful enough in this form to warrant at least a contractor if not a full cabinet version. In any case it's gotta be safer (and easier to set up) than my old ShopSmith V.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 23:04
|
|
|
That's awesome they figured a way to do it without requiring a replaceable cartridge and it doesn't destroy the blade. Assuming it works along the same lines as a sawstop, wet lumber will trigger it, so that is a massive selling point for a jobsite saw where you'll certainly encounter wet lumber here or there.
|
|
#
?
Mar 18, 2015 23:30
|
|
|
Cobalt60 posted:This guy is new to me, just subscribed, thanks. Yeah he builds some really neat stuff. One of his current concepts that he seems to be working on it building basically a complete set of shop power tools that are all drill powered.
|
|
#
?
Mar 19, 2015 00:50
|
|
|
bimmian posted:That's awesome they figured a way to do it without requiring a replaceable cartridge and it doesn't destroy the blade. Assuming it works along the same lines as a sawstop, wet lumber will trigger it, so that is a massive selling point for a jobsite saw where you'll certainly encounter wet lumber here or there. The press release says it does use a replaceable cartridge. You get two uses out of it though. Still it will probably be cheaper to replace one of those than having to replace both the cartridge and a potentially spendy blade like you do with a SawStop.
|
|
#
?
Mar 19, 2015 03:29
|
|
|
The Dreamer posted:The press release says it does use a replaceable cartridge. You get two uses out of it though. Still it will probably be cheaper to replace one of those than having to replace both the cartridge and a potentially spendy blade like you do with a SawStop. Guess I should have read that after watching the video. I would hope they keep the price down on them.
|
|
#
?
Mar 19, 2015 03:46
|
|
|
Squibbles posted:Yeah he builds some really neat stuff. One of his current concepts that he seems to be working on it building basically a complete set of shop power tools that are all drill powered. Sounds like all the cool of Matthias Wandel paired with all the stupid of Tim The Toolman Taylor.
|
|
#
?
Mar 19, 2015 04:14
|
|
|
Cobalt60 posted:Sounds like all the cool of Matthias Wandel paired with all the stupid of Tim The Toolman Taylor. If turning a solid wood bowling ball on a table saw is wrong, I don't wanna be right
|
|
#
?
Mar 19, 2015 04:22
|
|
|
Squibbles posted:If turning a solid wood bowling ball on a table saw is wrong, I don't wanna be right 
|
|
#
?
Mar 19, 2015 04:27
|
|
|
Squibbles posted:If turning a solid wood bowling ball on a table saw is wrong, I don't wanna be right I saw a video once of a guy "turning" a wooden bowl with a table saw by making repeated "plunge cuts" at slightly different angles until he'd cut out a sphere with radius equal to the sawblade radius. Kind of an ugly bowl, though.
|
|
#
?
Mar 19, 2015 04:37
|
|
|
Bowling ball: https://youtu.be/hFf6FLXDQcU Bowl: https://youtu.be/-EHRhh11rWs
|
|
#
?
Mar 19, 2015 04:47
|
|
|
Tablesaw bowls have been around decades, since at least the 60's if memory serves. Every once in awhile someone 'rediscovers' them and scares the poo poo out of everyone.bimmian posted:Guess I should have read that after watching the video. I would hope they keep the price down on them. Think I read the MSRP is around $1400. They will sell these things like mad. In other news, I ordered Swann Morton scalpel blades last fall. Same ones that David Barron and lots of others use in their marking knives. But I wanted to just change blades when they get dull, rather than epoxy them in place and resharpen. Basically I took a block of wood, cut a kerf in one end, screwed the blade in place, then filled the top and bottom kerfs with pieces of veneer to keep the blade from moving.   I tested it as a carving knife and it worked pretty well I guess. I don't actually know how to chip carve but it sliced poplar easily.
|
|
#
?
Mar 19, 2015 05:20
|
|
|
Hesitant to post these since I'm fairly inexperienced. Recently I decided to jump into woodworking as a hobby to keep myself productive during the day. The bar tending schedule I'm on has a built in rut I've decided to climb out of. First major project, I helped a friend build a cat patio: This portion sits down in a 6ft window well.  This portion sits on top:  The couple we built it for were extremely happy with the end result. The cats loved it too. I ended up needing to acquire a miter saw to finish up the cat patio.This opened up the realm of possibilities and the first thing I wanted to try was a bench. This is the first thing I've made with zero guidance from anyone other than a photo of a similar bench on instagram. I used framing lumber, cedar fencing and reclaimed pallets. Total cost with paint was around $20. I'm really happy with how it turned out but would do it completely different if I had to do it over.   Next I will build a workbench to replace the bar table I've been using. It's not going to be anything fancy other than a lowered section for the miter saw and heavy duty casters. Then I'll be able to start rebuilding the benches at the bar with basic joinery in lieu of just screws. There are countless little projects I can't wait to get started on.
|
|
#
?
Mar 19, 2015 06:41
|
|
|
His Divine Shadow posted:I'm building the box joint jig by Ed Stiles (on youtube) and here's what I got so far. Hey, can you give me your thoughts on this jig. I download the plans a while back.
|
|
#
?
Mar 19, 2015 12:42
|
|
|
I haven't yet used it, lack of time coupled with lack of sleep makes me not wanna do anything but sit inside after work, bleary eyed and trying to prevent toddler twins from ransacking the house.... I am missing some parts to complete it, namely the clamping setup. Other than that I've varnished the parts and it's ready for reassembly and use. I'll probably use it with regular clamps to hold the work pieces to start with. Some of the things I am unsure about is the height of the rear board, it seems like the whole thing could have been made taller. This design I think might have issues with making deeper finger joints that you would need for thicker pieces like when making frames for cabinets. I think it's aimed more at making joints for boxes and such. But that problem should be fixable.
|
|
#
?
Mar 19, 2015 13:13
|
|
|
The Dreamer posted:The press release says it does use a replaceable cartridge. You get two uses out of it though. Still it will probably be cheaper to replace one of those than having to replace both the cartridge and a potentially spendy blade like you do with a SawStop. 1 thing I like about the SawStop is that the blade actually stops moving instantly. Yes, the cartridge is kaput, and the blade most likely as well, I am OK with buying a new blade for $80 in exchange for losing a finger and receiving a hospital bill. Though I should mention the 2 times I've seen a SawStop work the blade has been salvaged. My concern with the Bosch is the chance of that still spinning blade catching the piece and potentially throwing it back at you.
|
|
#
?
Mar 19, 2015 16:19
|
|
|
This might sound weird, but kickback isn't even remotely frightening if the blade isn't a factor in destroying my flesh. Kickback might be scary, but pieces of significant size aren't going to kick hard enough to damage yourself, and small pieces that might get some good speed are just going to bounce and hurt. It's kickback that moves a piece out of the way so fast that your hand pressure ends up letting hands touch the blade that's the real danger. That said, I'd be thrilled with either system. I never minded the thought of buying a new blade and cartridge if I triggered a sawstop. Pretty low on my list of worries if it just saved a finger or three. Accidental triggers from wet wood or finding metal are still possible though, and I might prefer the Bosch style with that in mind. Hypnolobster fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Mar 19, 2015 |
|
#
?
Mar 19, 2015 16:26
|
|
|
RagingTaco posted:Hesitant to post these since I'm fairly inexperienced. Recently I decided to jump into woodworking as a hobby to keep myself productive during the day. The bar tending schedule I'm on has a built in rut I've decided to climb out of. Welcome to the hobby, and nice first projects! quote:I'm really happy with how it turned out but would do it completely different if I had to do it over. I think you'll find this is pretty much a constant no matter how skilled you are. 
|
|
#
?
Mar 19, 2015 16:30
|
|
|
Since I am not a cat, I'll only comment on the bench -- love the look!
|
|
#
?
Mar 19, 2015 16:31
|
|
|
RagingTaco posted:
That came out well! I like the design.
|
|
#
?
Mar 19, 2015 17:53
|
|
|
Hypnolobster posted:This might sound weird, but kickback isn't even remotely frightening if the blade isn't a factor in destroying my flesh. It sounds weird when you've seen a Unisaw kick an oak board across a room and puncture a wall.
|
|
#
?
Mar 20, 2015 08:25
|
|
|
I've watched a full sheet of plywood get chucked by a 5hp cabinet saw, so yeah I guess it is pretty weird. I'm still more scared of the blade than flying wood.
|
|
#
?
Mar 20, 2015 15:56
|
|
|
Hypnolobster posted:This might sound weird, but kickback isn't even remotely frightening if the blade isn't a factor in destroying my flesh. I see others have replied but please don't post bullshit opinions like this as if they were fact. Kickback is dangerous alone, and ALSO, separately, can be a reason that hands jam into the blade. If you aren't sufficiently respectful of kickback power, you simply should be, preferably NOT by experiencing its full potential yourself. My 1940's Unisaw can throw a medium board through a garage door. My buddy's Oliver (5 or 10HP?) with a 16" blade can throw a full sheet through another full sheet and end anything in its path.
|
|
#
?
Mar 20, 2015 20:34
|
|
|
A couple years ago I got hit in the kidney walking past a saw by a moron at work ripping 8/4 roughsawn on a tablesaw without jointing an edge first. It hurt, I didn't die. I got to go to the hospital to make sure I didn't have internal bleeding and I had a really cool bruise for a while. I didn't say anything about not respecting kickback or suggest anybody to do the same. My point is that cutting a finger off is far more frightening, and kickback without the potential for slipping into the blade as a result is comparatively way less frightening.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 03:21
|
|
|
The people disagreeing with you are asserting that being bisected by a thrown sheet of plywood is significantly scarier than losing a finger, even if it's somewhat less likely.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 03:27
|
|
|
stabbington posted:The people disagreeing with you are asserting that being bisected by a thrown sheet of plywood is significantly scarier than losing a finger, even if it's somewhat less likely. Especially since the saw blade is pretty much guaranteed to be in one exact place and not flying across a room.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 03:38
|
|
|
Why is it that table saws are so critical but so incredibly dangerous. Surely a better design could be found?
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 03:43
|
|
|
stabbington posted:The people disagreeing with you are asserting that being bisected by a thrown sheet of plywood is significantly scarier than losing a finger, even if it's somewhat less likely. A riving knife and even a little bit of caution is enough to prevent significant kickback. Getting tired/complacent is enough to get your hand into the blade, having a saw that won't cut you takes out all the risk that I'm personally more concerned with. Anyway, I'm going to shut up about it. Hypnolobster fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Mar 21, 2015 |
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 04:16
|
|
|
MickRaider posted:Why is it that table saws are so critical but so incredibly dangerous. Surely a better design could be found? Sliding table saws, auto feeders, or track saw.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 05:34
|
|
|
MickRaider posted:Why is it that table saws are so critical but so incredibly dangerous. Surely a better design could be found? You could ask this question about many tools, really. Or just common poo poo we do. Like cars, guns, boats, etc. We accept the risk because the convenience outweighs for most cases. And with proper training its fine. EDIT: airframes should have parachutes imo
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 05:44
|
|
|
I'm thinking of giving away my smaller radial arm saw. I just have no room and I want it to go to a good home. It's a true DeWalt MMB with a brand new Freud negative hook blade. Convince me you will use it (responsibly) and it's yours. Oregon/WA area.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 07:38
|
|
|
MickRaider posted:Why is it that table saws are so critical but so incredibly dangerous. Surely a better design could be found? They aren't actually. TS are dangerous but nothing compared to driving in traffic. A saw might cut off a few fingers worst case but a car accident can take your life or gently caress you up for life. I have friends who work around machines that can turn a limb to pulp in an instant. One of them got his foot smashed and couldn't walk for over a year. In the scheme of things, on a scale of 1 to 10, I think a TS barely rates a 4. I would rate driving in traffic 8 or above.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 16:29
|
|
|
wormil posted:They aren't actually. TS are dangerous but nothing compared to driving in traffic. A saw might cut off a few fingers worst case but a car accident can take your life or gently caress you up for life. I have friends who work around machines that can turn a limb to pulp in an instant. One of them got his foot smashed and couldn't walk for over a year. In the scheme of things, on a scale of 1 to 10, I think a TS barely rates a 4. I would rate driving in traffic 8 or above. Risk and severity are not the same thing. Although possible severity is high in a car crash risk is relatively low, whereas every time you use a table saw there is a spinning blade near your hands that will remove fingers in the blink of an eye. Technically lower severity but higher risk.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 16:59
|
|
|
MickRaider posted:Why is it that table saws are so critical but so incredibly dangerous. Surely a better design could be found? Laser saws imo Well, that'd be more dangerous probably. But, self-cauterizing.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 17:17
|
|
|
Cakefool posted:Risk and severity are not the same thing. Although possible severity is high in a car crash risk is relatively low, whereas every time you use a table saw there is a spinning blade near your hands that will remove fingers in the blink of an eye. Technically lower severity but higher risk. Put another way, there are vastly fewer injuries due to skydiving than there are due to driving...but on any given skydive, you're a lot more likely to be injured than you are on any given drive. EDIT: quote:Laser saws imo One of the big reasons why I prefer using a bandsaw for most of my cutting is that all of the cutting force is directed downwards instead of right back into my face. A hypothetical laser saw wouldn't have any cutting force whatsoever...it'd just blind you and set your house on fire
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 17:17
|
|
|
Laser saws do exist, you know. They're awesome, but commercial ones will typically only cut sheet goods, and only up to relatively small thicknesses.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 18:31
|
|
|
Cakefool posted:Risk and severity are not the same thing. Although possible severity is high in a car crash risk is relatively low, whereas every time you use a table saw there is a spinning blade near your hands that will remove fingers in the blink of an eye. Technically lower severity but higher risk. Correct, not the same but I disagree with your conclusion. The likelihood of a traffic accident is much higher than a tablesaw accident. And in traffic you could be involved in a serious accident through no fault of your own. Table saw accidents are user error. I doubt there are any statistic to prove it one way or the other so suffice to say that is my opinion. TooMuchAbstraction posted:Put another way, there are vastly fewer injuries due to skydiving than there are due to driving...but on any given skydive, you're a lot more likely to be injured than you are on any given drive. As someone with multiple jumps, I'm not sure I agree. That skydiving is obviously dangerous provokes more safety awareness, preventative gear and technique; but is less forgiving than driving.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 19:46
|
|
|
We probably shouldn't push analogies so far, if tablesaws were used as often as cars (hours per day by millions of barely trained people) they'd be outlawed due to the average member of the public only having 2 thumbs left 
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 22:36
|
|
|
Cakefool posted:they'd be outlawed due to the average member of the public only having 2 thumbs left
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2015 22:45
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 29, 2024 08:16 |
|
|
Significantly above, by most means of averaging. The modal average of #thumbs is 2, the mean will be somewhere around 1.999999 to some number of 9s, and the median is pretty likely to be 2 as well. Any given human is almost certain to have more than the average number of thumbs, fingers, arms, legs, eyes, ears and noses. Any given woodworking human, on the other hand...
|
|
#
?
Mar 22, 2015 01:08
|
|