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Cynnik posted:So all the inspector needs to loan an economic system some money and then the inspector gets back all of the money they loaned and everyone in the system is debt free? Now that the free government money is gone, everyone has to go back into debt buying pork products and having sex with prostitutes. Someone should buy up all that hotel/prostitute/meat debt and present it as a foolproof AAA rated financial investment to everyone else in the country. It's the proper free-market solution, obviously.
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Azuth0667 posted:Looks like my dad has been suckered by the propaganda I just saw this in animated Ronald Reagan form today on Facebook. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBXQhs6kwYc
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Soviet Commubot posted:I just saw this in animated Ronald Reagan form today on Facebook. Reagan, who raised taxes 11 times, is lecturing Obama, who lowered taxes and prevented an automatic expiration of tax breaks for the rich, on taxes.
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Jan 23, 2012 09:43
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Dr Christmas posted:Reagan, who raised taxes 11 times, is lecturing Obama, who lowered taxes and prevented an automatic expiration of tax breaks for the rich, on taxes. Obama raised taxes on cigarettes and tanning booths. So if you are John Boehner, your taxes did go up. 
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Someone just sent this to me, saying that as a Catholic, I should be very afraid.quote:DATE: January 20, 2012 That's right folks, Obama is gonna force you onto birth control.
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Jan 23, 2012 18:58
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Yes, just like how legal divorce forced the Catholic Church to change its position on the matter.
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Jan 23, 2012 19:00
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Wait what? So having a healthcare plan cover contraception in case people want it = forcing everyone to get sterilized? Also, what is this sterilization its talking about? Vasectomies?
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quote:“I have hundreds of employees who will be upset and confused by this edict. I cannot understand it at all.” "Y-you... you mean I have the option to get birth control if I want... at no cost, but I don't have to take advantage of it?! I'm... so confused, and upset" v  vI will never tire of Catholics being affronted with the very existence of things.
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Jan 23, 2012 19:04
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The person is upset that the HHS is telling the Church what must be covered in the plans. He claims that it's a violation of the 1st amendment. I've tried telling that the mandate actually protects the employee's religious freedom, but he doesn't seem to care about that.
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Jan 23, 2012 19:05
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Is the Catholic church really still against contraception? I thought they weren't so dangerously rear end-backwards on most things these days.
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Jan 23, 2012 19:09
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Chunk posted:The person is upset that the HHS is telling the Church what must be covered in the plans. He claims that it's a violation of the 1st amendment. I've tried telling that the mandate actually protects the employee's religious freedom, but he doesn't seem to care about that. Tell him that everyone has the right to burn the flag, that doesn't MAKE them burn it.
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Jan 23, 2012 19:16
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The same people would probably support the enforced sterilization on the poors...
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Jan 23, 2012 19:19
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Is there a comparable Islamic practice w.r.t. health (or anything) that could be replaced in these horrid complaints about "government oppression" that would help make some catholics' heads explode? "All women are supposed to wear a hijab, by being a Catholic who doesn't wear a hijab you are oppressing my Islamic religion!"
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Jan 23, 2012 19:27
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zeroprime posted:Is there a comparable Islamic practice w.r.t. health (or anything) that could be replaced in these horrid complaints about "government oppression" that would help make some catholics' heads explode? Well, it's more specific than this. They're upset that churches that provide their employees with health insurance will have to provide insurance that covers contraception, even if the church opposes it. They're not upset (at least vocally so) about other businesses being required to cover it. The big thing though, is that it is silly. If no one on the plan uses contraception, then the church won't actually be paying for it, even if the plan technically covers it. And they are NOT being required to cover abortion; just contraception. And there are a number of reasons women use birth control pills, beyond just not having babies.
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Jan 23, 2012 19:32
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quote:If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels. Notorious Liberal group AFA.
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Jan 23, 2012 19:40
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Question, when is this free birth control thing required to start?
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Jan 23, 2012 19:52
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Don't think I've seen this one posted, and it's been popping up all over Facebook I felt the need to post this after seeing this exchange "... DouchgeBag McGee: yes, "community organizing" and brochure distribution of "higher intellectual" propaganda pamphlets is tough work in between hits bro... Sane Person: From wikipedia "Obama worked as a civil rights attorney in Chicago and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004. He served three terms representing the 13th District in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004." A lot more "work" than Mitt Romney or George Bush, put together. DoucheBag McGee: wow, please don't ever source wikipedia and think for a second that ANYONE is taking that garbage seriously... DouchgeBag McGee: source something like the Constitution for the breach of freedoms and liberties your false idol has imposed..." woof...
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Jan 23, 2012 20:10
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I love living in an America where every argument needs to be propped up by a. The Constitution or b. The Bible
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Jan 23, 2012 20:12
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The constitution clearly states that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim.
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Bombadilillo posted:Tell him that everyone has the right to burn the flag, that doesn't MAKE them burn it. But it enables that option. That's what they say. Of course I tell them that the employer doesn't have the right to tell the employee how to spend their money, but that doesn't matter.
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Timothy M. Dolan posted:In effect, the president is saying we have a year to figure out Fixed that for ya, padre
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Jan 23, 2012 20:31
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babies havin rabies posted:Is the Catholic church really still against contraception? I thought they weren't so dangerously rear end-backwards on most things these days. That's what many Catholics like to believe while ignoring the whole "Pope telling Africans not to use condoms" thing.
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703 posted:Don't think I've seen this one posted, and it's been popping up all over Facebook My favorite part is how they say they'll average the grades "so no one will fail and no one will receive an A" yet, by the third test, they're all failing. It's almost like it's a poorly constructed argument!
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Jan 23, 2012 20:48
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Thenipwax posted:That's what many Catholics like to believe while ignoring the whole "Pope telling Africans not to use condoms" thing. The Catholic Church finally pardoned Galileo in 1992 for proposing Heliocentrism. That should tell you everything you need to know about "modern" Catholicism. quote:woof... These people are aware that the Constitution has been modified since 1783 by Congress and the Supreme Court, right? The US Code is something like 22,000 pages, with hundreds more added every month. I'd love to see the modern libertarians in Lincoln's day arguing that he doesn't have the right to free the slaves according to the Constitution!
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Thenipwax posted:That's what many Catholics like to believe while ignoring the whole "Pope telling Africans not to use condoms" thing.
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red19fire posted:The Catholic Church finally pardoned Galileo in 1992 for proposing Heliocentrism. That should tell you everything you need to know about "modern" Catholicism. Oh, gently caress off. The Catholic Church has plenty of issues, their stance on science is not one of them. The Church has been very good about science since that entire debacle and puts a ton of money towards research. If you're going to attack the modern Church do it from a reasonable stand point, not some dumb poo poo about Galileo
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703 posted:Don't think I've seen this one posted, and it's been popping up all over Facebook The whole ABCDF grade system is totally ridiculous when applied to things like wealth or prosperity, since an F comprises 50 percent of all possible grades. Say this class has 100 students so a total of 10000 points will be given. If you follow the current wealth distribution in the us http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph 1 student will have 3460 points 9 students will have 3850 points to share, so 427.7 points on average 90 students will have 2690 points to share, so 29.8 points on average so 10 students have more than they would ever need. 90 students have only a grade of 30. If you were to reasonably redistribute the grade points, you could say: the number one student, works really hard. hard enough to be taking 4 classes at once. let's give them 400 points, so they don't have to enroll and take those other classes. this student benefits from the other students asking questions and discussing the class material, so let's give the surplus points back to the rest of the class. 3060 points back in the pool. The 9 students, they too are hard workers. Let's give them 200 points each. 2050 back in the pool. The other 90 students, with everything redistributed, now have an average of 89.6 points per person. Look, no one starved failed!
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Jan 23, 2012 21:34
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ts12 posted:If you're going to attack the modern Church do it from a reasonable stand point, not some dumb poo poo about Galileo OK, how about the Pope telling Africans a few years ago that condoms don't decrease HIV infection rates, and can in fact make HIV more prevalent? That sounds pretty anti-science to me.
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Defenestration posted:Question, when is this free birth control thing required to start? August 1st, 2012. But with the way PPACA works, it may only affect new plans that start after that date, not necessarily plans that already exist. So for most women it will be in effect on January 1st, 2013. Also, while checking on that, I came across this lovely set of quotes: quote:"Many women who get pregnant are blasted out of their minds when they have sex, and they're not going to use birth control anyway," Fox News' Bill O'Reilly said, while political commentator Dana Perino, also speaking on Fox News, said that "if you can afford a $5 frappucino at Starbucks, you can pay your $5 co-pay." Much like the tides, Bill O'Reilly is not aware of how birth control works. And I like how Dana Perino thinks all women's health insurance is as good as hers. "What do you mean not every woman makes over $100K a year like me?"
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Where is Dana getting the idea that all women drink $5 drinks from Starbucks?
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Cynnik posted:The whole ABCDF grade system is totally ridiculous when applied to things like wealth or prosperity, since an F comprises 50 percent of all possible grades. EDIT: nvm, hosed up the math. But it's still a pretty compelling way to explain wealth inequity.
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Literally upset if people get good insurance. And gently caress you Bill.
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Thenipwax posted:Where is Dana getting the idea that all women drink $5 drinks from Starbucks? Her idea that everyones life is just like hers but they're lazier/whores.
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Thenipwax posted:OK, how about the Pope telling Africans a few years ago that condoms don't decrease HIV infection rates, and can in fact make HIV more prevalent? That sounds pretty anti-science to me. First off, he's wrong, but that's not what he said. He made some vague statement about how birth control will increase the rate of people having sex. That's not science related, it's bullshit sociology. Secondly, it's not a stance that even much of the Church agrees with. You have cardinals like Godfried Danneels who have explicitly petitioned the Church to change its stance. http://www.aids.net.au/us-catholic-20060421.htm There's also things like the Winnipeg Statement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnipeg_Statement) It's certainly a contentious issue and the Church's position is wrong on it, but it's not quite as science related as what I'm talking about
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ts12 posted:First off, he's wrong, but that's not what he said. HIV/Aids was, he argued, "a tragedy that cannot be overcome by money alone, that cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which can even increase the problem". Yeah, that's what he said. Also, isn't the Church a fairly strict heirarchy, and the Pope's comments would supercede statements made by a bishop or a cardinal?
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The implication there is pretty obvious dude. It's stupid but it's the same argument anti-choice people use in the states. IF YOU TEACH THEM ABOUT SEX THEY'LL HAVE IT NONSTOP and all that. The Catholic argument against birth control is a rather nebulous "it is the murder of innocent life" thing, not that birth control literally causes disease.
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Missed the thing about the hierarchy. Church hierarchy is really weird in a lot of ways. The Pope is the final say on a lot of stuff, yes, but there is quite a bit of autonomy in the lower levels. One of the major issues with the birth control thing is that the previous statement on it (in 1968 or something) was one of Papal Infallibility, and it would probably cause a theological debate if a 2nd pope were to attack another pope's statement. I'm not positive about that, but I think it would
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ts12 posted:The Catholic argument against birth control is a rather nebulous "it is the murder of innocent life" thing, not that birth control literally causes disease. So the Church would rather that adults contract HIV than to risk missing out on a single future Catholic. Isn't that precious. Seriously, consider the audience he was preaching to. Many Africans are completely ignorant about what causes and what spreads HIV/AIDS, and the Pope was clearly preying on their ignorance to push his agenda. It's sick. You're Catholic, aren't you?
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Thenipwax posted:So the Church would rather that adults contract HIV than to risk missing out on a single future Catholic. Isn't that precious. Seriously, consider the audience he was preaching to. Many Africans are completely ignorant about what causes and what spreads HIV/AIDS, and the Pope was clearly preying on their ignorance to push his agenda. It's sick. No, and I'm not defending the stance so I don't know why you think I am. I'm just tired of poo poo D&D posters attacking things without basing their attacks in reality.
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I am not aware of any "infallibility" statements from the Pope re birth control. I believe the last one was about Mary. It is not a 100% fool proof classification anyway.
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