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Arglebargle III posted:Chinese puts the American hypocrisy into test as every nation with integrity and critical thinking should do by pointing out the obvious of the American fallacies. I need to know the context.
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Uuuuuh....  CNN posted:Washington (CNN)Four million current and former federal employees may have had their personal information hacked, the Office of Personnel Management said on Thursday.
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Jun 5, 2015 02:56
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Maybe related to the Japanese pensions hack?
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Jun 5, 2015 03:03
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Yesterday was year 26. Victoria Park Hong Kong - Tiananmen Square 26th Anniversary by Black Cygnus Photography, on Flickr
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Franks Happy Place posted:Uuuuuh.... I'm surprised that this isn't getting more attention considering it could be interpreted as an act of war.
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Jun 5, 2015 19:30
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Fojar38 posted:I'm surprised that this isn't getting more attention considering it could be interpreted as an act of war. Except both sides have more or less agreed that saying " nuh uh" is an acceptable response to accusation.
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Jun 5, 2015 19:34
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Ceciltron posted:Except both sides have more or less agreed that saying " nuh uh" is an acceptable response to accusation. Yes, but this is a crazy escalation in terms of profile, scope, and threat. The blackmail/espionage potential alone has to have CIA/NSA anuses puckering across the continent.
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Jun 5, 2015 19:39
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Ceciltron posted:Except both sides have more or less agreed that saying " nuh uh" is an acceptable response to accusation. I meant construed as an act of war by the US public. A foreign government stealing confidential information on US citizens by the millions is a big loving deal.
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Jun 5, 2015 19:39
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Fojar38 posted:I meant construed as an act of war by the US public. Oh for sure, absolutely. I just don't think anything will come of it. The US public has too much of a desire for cheap consumer goods to be willing to even demand anything resembling action.
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Jun 5, 2015 19:43
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Fojar38 posted:I'm surprised that this isn't getting more attention considering it could be interpreted as an act of war. If China was a small third world easily invaded country, sure.
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Jun 5, 2015 19:43
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Ceciltron posted:Oh for sure, absolutely. I just don't think anything will come of it. The US public has too much of a desire for cheap consumer goods to be willing to even demand anything resembling action. Cheap consumer goods that are fast becoming easily available from other countries that don't double as a national security threat. Raenir Salazar posted:If China was a small third world easily invaded country, sure. There are ways to retaliate that don't involve a physical invasion of China. To be honest this is a huge miscalculation on Beijing's part. American citizens don't give a gently caress if China is lifting poo poo from multinational corporations. They DO give a poo poo about China stealing their personal information, and turning the ire of the American voting public against you is a really, really, really bad move.
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Jun 5, 2015 19:46
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It's okay though because the victims will get 90 days of free credit monitoring and Congress will pass another law to ban all security research.
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Jun 5, 2015 20:01
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Remember when Americans got super mad and rebelled against their government for collecting all the metadata on every electronic form of communication they used
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Jun 5, 2015 20:29
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Modest Mao posted:Remember when Americans got super mad and rebelled against their government for collecting all the metadata on every electronic form of communication they used Uh...they did? Enough to pressure Congress to pass NSA reform. And this was their elected government that was collecting their data, not Red China. Or does it not count unless there are literal torches and pitchforks involved?
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Jun 5, 2015 20:32
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Fojar38 posted:Uh...they did? Enough to pressure Congress to pass NSA reform Uh, no they didn't. And the "reform" barely changes anything and almost didn't pass (and if it hadn't passed, there would actually have been bigger changes to the NSA).
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Nintendo Kid posted:Uh, no they didn't. And the "reform" barely changes anything and almost didn't pass (and if it hadn't passed, there would actually have been bigger changes to the NSA). Yeah, neither side got all of what they wanted. That's called compromise and it's something Americans have a talent for. But the point is even when it was their own government doing it it was considered an issue by American voters, albeit a largely partisan issue. If it's a communist adversary doing it though? China has largely gotten away with what it's been doing so far because they were able to keep it under the radar of the average American. If it's true that China did this it will almost certainly become an election issue with both parties promising to get tougher on China. poo poo even if it wasn't the Chinese government they've already earned a reputation for this sort of thing, which makes it even easier to gather the political will in the US to counter China.
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Jun 5, 2015 21:28
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Fojar38 posted:Yeah, neither side got all of what they wanted. That's called compromise and it's something Americans have a talent for. No, seriously, practically nothing changed, and neither "side" cared all that much to begin with. It's been a dead issue for a while and as such the chagnes are token at best.
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Jun 5, 2015 21:36
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Did NK get a slash on the wrist for hacking Sony? It's basically a free for all game.
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whatever7 posted:Did NK get a slash on the wrist for hacking Sony? The US brought down the entire North Korean internet in retaliation, actually.
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Jun 5, 2015 21:40
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Oh wow, you shut down the internet connectivity of a country that's almost entirely a giant lan, all behold the might of american technological superiority
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Forums Terrorist posted:Oh wow, you shut down the internet connectivity of a country that's almost entirely a giant lan, all behold the might of american technological superiority You joke but this is actually the reason why US Stuxnet style attacks on North Korea's nuclear program failed. The country is so backwards that it's immune to sophisticated attacks. But that's not the point. The point is that North Korea didn't get let off the hook for the Sony attacks.
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Jun 5, 2015 22:27
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Also NK didn't necessarily hack Sony, so there's that.
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Jun 5, 2015 23:20
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Forums Terrorist posted:It's okay though because the victims will get 90 days of free credit monitoring and Congress will pass another law to ban all security research.
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Jun 5, 2015 23:24
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I'm honestly it sure why China would do this. I can understand if they are hacking spy satellites or computer companies but how is the average american's ss# and home address of significant national security interest to China? I mean what the hell is the PLA going to do with that information and why would they have any use for it?
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Vladimir Putin posted:I'm honestly it sure why China would do this. I can understand if they are hacking spy satellites or computer companies but how is the average american's ss# and home address of significant national security interest to China? I mean what the hell is the PLA going to do with that information and why would they have any use for it? It has intelligence uses, such as showing who in the government has high level clearance and a bunch of their personal details.
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Jun 6, 2015 04:21
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Ceciltron posted:The US public has too I fixed your idea Ceciltron.
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Arglebargle III posted:I fixed your idea Ceciltron. There is literally no major interest group in the US right now who is happy with China. Nobody in Washington is going to rush to Beijing's defense especially if being tougher on China means easy votes. Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Jun 6, 2015 |
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Jun 6, 2015 04:34
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So what would Huaxingdun do?
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Ceciltron posted:Oh for sure, absolutely. I just don't think anything will come of it. The US public has too much of a desire for cheap consumer goods to be willing to even demand anything resembling action. For now at least, China does not stand between the American public and one of its foreign military adventures, like Iran or Russia. If, and only if, that happens, then we'll get mad about China Fojar38 posted:There is literally no major interest group in the US right now who is happy with China. Nobody in Washington is going to rush to Beijing's defense especially if being tougher on China means easy votes. Right but at the same time nobody is actually mad about China either. The United States at the end of the day simply doesn't give nearly as much of a poo poo about protecting Vietnamese and Filipino maritime territory as we do about getting revenge on third world Muslims and tinpot dictators for wounding our national pride China has a long way to go before it's a boogeyman the size of Iran, Russia, or the religion of Islam in general in the American public consciousness. Anti-Japanese sentiment in the 80s was probably worse than anti-Chinese sentiment today. To be honest I don't see it ever surpassing the Middle East as a geopolitical morass for the US to occupy itself with, simply because the political geography of the Middle East nearly guarantees there will always be at least one crumbling, murderous regime exporting angry radicalized young men to stir up fear and hatred in the American public until the end of time. China annexing its neighbors' territory and suppressing / slowly genociding its minorities is too boring for anyone to care about icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Jun 6, 2015 |
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I dunno, the media is having a huge field day with this hack, and this time it isn't the Chinese swiping defense documents or corporate secrets, it's the Chinese (Chinese  COMMUNISTS) taking private data about, according to the media, average citizens, and supposedly putting it in a big Chinese database.While it's true that it might not, and likely won't, hold your average American's attention for long enough to influence policy in a large way, it's still a baffling miscalculation on China's part and suggests that they don't understand Americans very well. The attention of the American voter is fickle, but if you earn its ire it will never, ever, ever stop hounding you until you're hosed six ways from Sunday. See: Middle Eastern newlyweds.
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What's the deal with the Cruise ship flipping? The official story is that a tornado appeared and hit the boat, but wouldn't that be easy as hell to disprove if it was false?
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Jun 6, 2015 10:05
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Imagine being stuck on a cruise ship with 1000s of mainlanders.
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Vladimir Putin posted:I'm honestly it sure why China would do this. I can understand if they are hacking spy satellites or computer companies but how is the average american's ss# and home address of significant national security interest to China? I mean what the hell is the PLA going to do with that information and why would they have any use for it? You can find out a great deal from social security numbers, such as financial info and criminal records. I would imagine they're trying to find morally weak or financially desperate people that are tied to things they're interested in to use as spies and sources. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Jun 6, 2015 |
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Jun 6, 2015 11:16
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Yeah over the long term that kind of database is priceless in building an institution -- OF SABOTAGE.
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Fojar38 posted:I dunno, the media is having a huge field day with this hack, and this time it isn't the Chinese swiping defense documents or corporate secrets, it's the Chinese (Chinese Except like 99.9% of American voters have no idea what "hacking" is beyond "people doing bad stuff with computers". Oooh those rascally Chinese hacked us! Somebody better do something about this! Oh but look I can still get on to Facebook I guess they didn't really get us. Americans don't give a poo poo about hacking, ever. We don't even care when our poo poo is hacked by our own government. There are like zero repercussions when a big enough company loses a bunch of private data. I can still watch youtube? I can still torrent porn? Everything's fine hacking is invisible or fake.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:You can find out a great deal from social security numbers, such as financial info and criminal records. I would imagine they're trying to find morally weak or financially desperate people that are tied to things they're interested in to use as spies and sources. Ok sure but I image that you could get the same information by conventional means it's just harder. Also I would say there is a growing negativity about China in the news in the US. It hasn't reached 80's Japan levels but it's not quite the same situation.
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Jun 6, 2015 15:10
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I think the negativity is probably coming from the insane things they have been doing.
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Vladimir Putin posted:Ok sure but I image that you could get the same information by conventional means it's just harder. What's your definition of conventional? They pretty much have to give them to you or you have to steal them. If they were easy to get, identify theft would be much easier than it is or social security numbers wouldn't matter as much as they do.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:What's your definition of conventional? They pretty much have to give them to you or you have to steal them. Finding assets with parts of their lives succeptible to manipulation has been spy craft since before the Internet was even invented. There are other means to get identify assets and get leverage in them that don't involve downloading the entire government employee database.
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Vladimir Putin posted:Finding assets with parts of their lives succeptible to manipulation has been spy craft since before the Internet was even invented. There are other means to get identify assets and get leverage in them that don't involve downloading the entire government employee database. It's a lot faster and easier than doing it the old fashioned way though. Why spend all the time and effort to conduct Soviet-style human espionage when you can just hit a button and download what you need to a database in Guangzhou? Not to mention again, what they're after is people who either have or can acquire high level security clearance, ie probably less than 0.01% of the database. It takes time to sift through it, plus lifting the entire database makes it easier to throw counterintelligence off the scent of who or what you're really after.
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