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to the guy reading bizarre books, you should also maybe try to find harmony korine's book A Crackup at the Race Riots, it's basically the same sort of thing and it's pretty funny.
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Richard Brautigan might work as well--Trout Fishing in America does the whole 1-2 page disconnected, poetic chapters and In Watermelon Sugar is short + pretty and mindfucked the whole way through.
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:But Hamlet Hamlet Hamlet should be read How about seeing a performance of it instead?
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Solitair posted:How about seeing a performance of it instead? I was gonna ask this
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Everyone cuts out Fortinbras, unfortunately rendering the performance invalid.
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Mr. Squishy posted:Everyone cuts out Fortinbras they should come out forth in bras
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:Don't eat the mold. Is that even the answer? In that case you don't even need to read the book, since the explanation of that scene arrives in the next one (Hal as a kid). But actually the rest of the book seems to suggest the mold wasn't directly responsible, it was instead the movie James was making. There's this idea that Infinite Jest was made *for* Hal. Hal being, like Wallace himself, a wonderboy set on his course. Extremely smart but unable to "feel". There are various scenes between James and Hal where James is very concerned by Hal and desperately trying to reach for his true personality, and failing. In some way this is Wallace putting his own hubris, along his praiseworthy qualities in Hal. Hal is broken, but so highly functional to be diagnosed as such. So one interpretation of that first scene is that, through Infinite Jest, Hal is breaking apart from the inside. It's a short circuit. It's as if he's being derailed in the desperate attempt to awaken him as an actual human being like Mario instead of a machine like Wayne. In a similar way Wallace could have enjoyed a successful life as a most praised writer, but instead his own sensibility blocked that off. And this: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/ijend
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If you can't find a decent performance of Hamlet watch the Branagh movie.
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I just read Steppenwolf and it was good. Better than Siddharta. I liked the part where he teleported into the future and joined the war against Skynet as a crack resistance sniper
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Been reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra but this translation is beyond awful I seriously don't understand anything unless I am too stupid for this book but I have read other Nietzche books and understood them well enough. Is it just the book being hard or me being a moron? Don't know if this is the right thread.
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Ulio posted:Been reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra but this translation is beyond awful I seriously don't understand anything unless I am too stupid for this book but I have read other Nietzche books and understood them well enough. Is it just the book being hard or me being a moron? Don't know if this is the right thread. I've not actually read it so take this with a grain of salt, but as I understand it Zarathustra is Nietzsche's most difficult work. I am almost 100% certain Kaufmann's will be the best translation, though.
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seeing a performance of hamlet will be great fun and illuminate the text but it is in no way equal to reading it. there will be vast chunks of the writing which you will miss due to the pace of the production. also, it will be a cut-down and edited script, so what you're seeing will not actually be hamlet just read hamlet guys, poo poo
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don't listen to Bob Dylan either just read the lyrics
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fridge corn posted:don't listen to Bob Dylan agreed seeing a performance is an important part of understanding a shakespeare play, but it's secondary to the text itself for the reasons i noted above. if you see the RSC's 2009 Hamlet, you haven't approached Hamlet, you've approached the RSC's 2009 Hamlet if you don't care about reading hamlet or why hamlet is important then don't read hamlet, but there's really no way to argue that seeing a production is just as good as reading the text
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I think Macbeth is very good, imo
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Nanomashoes posted:Hamlet watch the Branagh movie.
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Also the Kozintsev film.
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There's always value to seeing a play actually performed, particularly Shakespeare. Make sure it's a good production, though. Any production of Macbeth, for example, that doesn't make you want to fight at the end probably failed to grasp the qualities that it should have. Beckett is another good example. Waiting for Godot was designed to be performed and the text lacks a lot of flourishes such as improv during Lucky's speech.
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Also the works of Shakespeare we have are literally just one version that, with Shakespeare being a playwright and an entertainer, probably weren't the Ur-Text that people would imagine they are. Even reading the text you will not be reading Hamlet, rather the version of Hamlet that has been historically accepted to be Hamlet. Unless you saw an actual Shakespeare directed version of Hamlet, you actually haven't seen it
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Read and watch, it's not as if it's difficult to get hold of Shakespeare in 2016 AD But Shakespeare is really good and not overrated at all, make time for the guy. There's times I wonder if the noise around him is more than he's worth, but he's really just that good
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He is good, but the wankery around how the text itself is the perfect manifestation of his work is probably the first step people take into the authorship conspiracy. Hamlet in particular is funny because IIRC there's about three surviving revisions, so which of them is the definitive version? They all have different contents, so is the ultimate version a mishmash of all three? A single one takes precedent over the others? How can we be certain that there was a later version that hasn't survived which is the one Shakespeare actually intended? Then there's the ur-Hamlet that might be an earlier draft or a play by a different writer.
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Rush Limbo posted:Hamlet in particular is funny because IIRC there's about three surviving revisions, so which of them is the definitive version? They all have different contents, so is the ultimate version a mishmash of all three? A single one takes precedent over the others? How can we be certain that there was a later version that hasn't survived which is the one Shakespeare actually intended? To be fair we still don't know which ending to Great Expectations is the right one either
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Rush Limbo posted:He is good, but the wankery around how the text itself is the perfect manifestation of his work is probably the first step people take into the authorship conspiracy. This is true of King Lear and Piers Plowman and whatever. But we have to kind of accept it as it is if we can't properly figure out which is the 'definitive'. A lot of the plurality and fluidity of such seminal texts has been ill-served by overly dictatorial editorial practices. Welcome to the wonderful world of Old Stuff
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Mel Mudkiper posted:To be fair we still don't know which ending to Great Expectations is the right one either The sad one 
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Rush Limbo posted:He is good, but the wankery around how the text itself is the perfect manifestation of his work is probably the first step people take into the authorship conspiracy. there's no definitive text, especially of pre-modern texts, and authorial intent is unprovable at best and a fallacy at worst (which ordering of the canterbury tales was chaucer's?) scholars talk about this kind of stuff all the time, so even the shittiest copy of shakespeare will have a textual introduction that explains what the base text is and why, what changes have been made to it and why, and so on. that's also why any college shakespeare class worth its salt should make you read the tragedy of lear alongside the history of lear; they might even have you read the 'bad quarto' of hamlet (fwiw, consensus is that the q1 printing was put together mostly by actors, from memory). chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Nov 8, 2016 |
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Picking up a copy of 'The Brothers Karamazov' sooner or later. Should I just stick with P&V or give David McDuff a try?
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Mel Mudkiper posted:To be fair we still don't know which ending to Great Expectations is the right one either Kathy Acker's
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Xeom posted:Picking up a copy of 'The Brothers Karamazov' sooner or later. Should I just stick with P&V or give David McDuff a try? P&V also Russian translations
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Xeom posted:Picking up a copy of 'The Brothers Karamazov' sooner or later. Should I just stick with P&V or give David McDuff a try? Here's my topical two cents: lay off McDuff.
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I have a bunch of audible credits. What are some good audiobooks I could listen to at work?
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Heath posted:I have a bunch of audible credits. What are some good audiobooks I could listen to at work? Audiobooks aren't literature, and thus can't be discussed in this thread
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Heath posted:I have a bunch of audible credits. What are some good audiobooks I could listen to at work? There's a few classics that have won Audie awards, like Dracula and Moby Dick. I'd search through the winners and nominees and see if there's any that appeal to you.
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Heath posted:I have a bunch of audible credits. What are some good audiobooks I could listen to at work? i heard a Brief History of Seven Killings is a really good one to listen to because of all the accents and stuff
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A human heart posted:Audiobooks aren't literature, and thus can't be discussed in this thread Good point. We should instead be discussing the works of the most recent Nobel prize winner.
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Skrill.exe posted:Good point. We should instead be discussing the works of the most recent Nobel prize winner. Don't threaten me with a good time.
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Any book recommendations for when a fascist moron becomes the leader of your country? I'm thinking 'For Whom the Bell Tolls' currently.
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The Anarchist's Cookbook.
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Anything by Wolfgang Borchert
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Being There
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I'm diving head first into some Camus, personally. Since nothing matters
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