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Ouch. So for fleet carriers, we now have the Shokaku, Zuikaku, Hiryu, Soryu (taking a little shore leave), and... well, Junyo is barely a fleet carrier and barely afloat. What's the status on Taiho? IRL it was ready around March 1944. Should be a bolster to what's left of the Kido Butai, even with crappy airgroups. Other than Taiho, we have the 3 carriers of the Unryu class which won't all be ready until about August-October (depending on supply) and maybe the Shinano (I can't remember if Grey cancelled that or if it was under construction as a carrier in the first place). We also have the Ibuki as a CVL...maybe? That might have been cancelled too. Either way, it doesn't get here until '45 at the earliest. Did Grey start converting the seaplane carriers Chitose and Chiyoda into proper flattops?
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Triggerhappypilot posted:Ouch. Glancing way back at the start of the thread, Grey apparently cancelled the three '45 Unryus, but left everything else building. So Shinano in Nov. '44 and Ibuki in Apr. '45 are still on track, unless there have been more changes since. Don't recall seeing any word one way or the other about the seaplane tender conversions. If they started conversion on their historical date, we should know in the next few days though.
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12 December 1943 U-boats continue to harass the North African coastline: U-593 puts homing torpedoes into the British escort destroyers Tynedale and Holcombe off Bougie, sinking both. U-593 was sighted by a patrolling Wellington and sunk by US and British destroyers the following day.
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:12 December 1943 They apparently managed to get the entire crew off the boat and became POWs in a rare happy ending for a U-boat crew
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   Phew!   A really dull day with few bombing runs.  The Soryu has made it home for repairs.
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Is it possible to have an incident similar to the Mutsu where a ship blows up in port for no apparent reason?
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Danann posted:Is it possible to have an incident similar to the Mutsu where a ship blows up in port for no apparent reason? sometimes you get a random event buried in the event log where a ship runs into a rock and takes damage. Sometimes it's even heavy, sinkable damage!
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Danann posted:Is it possible to have an incident similar to the Mutsu where a ship blows up in port for no apparent reason? Yes, at least 4 ships have been sunk so far for "Unknown" reasons.
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Yes, there is a specific very small chance that any ship can just blow up at any time due to a freak accident.
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pthighs posted:Yes, there is a specific very small chance that any ship can just blow up at any time due to a freak accident. Surely Japanese Damage Control can't be that bad, can it? 
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pthighs posted:Yes, there is a specific very small chance that any ship can just blow up at any time due to a freak accident. Somebody somewhere HAS to have lost a carrier to this, and I wish I could have seen their reaction.
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as far as taking chungking, there was some guy on the official forums who managed it. i think he actually took the entirety of China; I think I remember him getting oil from urumqi. somebody over there definitely made the jet planes too, I forget if it was him or not. I want to say that the above game had some strategy featuring ahistorically advanced prop planes that worked pretty well I also think this dude was the one who somehow understood how to manipulate the supply mechanics to get maximum throughput overland with a short hop from Korea so he could stockpile a poo poo ton on the home islands starting very early. I think he was playing a human even? and to top it all off he actually had near-SA quality screenshots and explanations, which is a rarity over there but I don't remember the link - something at matrix games.com, maybe. several cool AARs, after action reports I believe they call them, have been linked before in threads about this game, that's the only reason I know about them, so hopefully somebody who does have the links stops by
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the matrix forums have tons of WitP AARs but most of them are unreadable, jumbled messes of poorly formatted text and dead picture links, so you have to trawl through a lot of junk to find the really good ones.
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HannibalBarca posted:the matrix forums have tons of WitP AARs but most of them are unreadable, jumbled messes of poorly formatted text and dead picture links, so you have to trawl through a lot of junk to find the really good ones. I was just digging for one the other day and with the Photobucket apocalypse nearly any, and every, grog forum is filled with thread after thread of gorgeous let's plays replaced by Photobucket hosting errors.
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HannibalBarca posted:the matrix forums have tons of WitP AARs but most of them are unreadable, jumbled messes of poorly formatted text and dead picture links, so you have to trawl through a lot of junk to find the really good ones. So. Just like this one?
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Nah, you're way better. While I agreed with 90% of the concerns about charts, none of it has been a big deal or anything, and they're an added bonus. You label your updates clearly and don't post EVERYTHING - you actually filter, the AARs over there don't, so I stopped reading them after like bits and pieces totaling up to less than 0.5. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Dec 14, 2017 |
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Yeah, a bunch of those AARs are just text dumps of the combat with no filtering. It fits with the whole 1980s grognard aesthetic.
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aphid_licker posted:They apparently managed to get the entire crew off the boat and became POWs in a rare happy ending for a U-boat crew The captain even got invited to a 50th reunion for one of the sunken destroyers. Grey Hunter posted:So. Just like this one? Before you switched to lpix I remember running into an image link problem. Didn't one day accidentally redirect to something NSFW? 13 December 1943 USAAF aircraft sink the German torpedo boat T-15 at Kiel.
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Also, your commentary and humor is superior to all but the most ardent roleplayers and IIRC. Over half of them played two days at a time... and some of them got real gamey - though that may be tarnished in my mind by that guy who stayed for six days at Pearl, went straight through the New Guinea jungle, cried about firebombers/nighttime bombing accuracy/altitude, lost his save when the noob won, etc. He did get a substantial amount of flak from a few players though. You're in the top 10%, definitely. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Dec 15, 2017 |
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This is an absolutely amazing LP in terms of production value and tension and character / humor and whatever else metric you might care to apply.
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I'd like to see a max zoomed-out map with lines drawn to show base control / influence extent. We miss a bit of the big picture.
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RA Rx posted:Also, your commentary and humor is superior to all but the most ardent roleplayers and IIRC over half of them played two days at a time... and some of them got real gamey - though that may be tarnished by that guy who stayed for six days at Pearl, went straight through the New Guinea jungle, cried about firebombers/nighttime bombing accuracy/altitude, lost his save when the noob won, etc. God, I remember that. He was a right wanker. Didn't he also pull a game as poo poo thing on one of their carrier fleets off the home islands? Something like chucking 2000 poo poo planes to bug out the CAP mechanic letting his bombers and torpedo aircraft have a free shot at the flat tops? Pulling poo poo like that after homebrew ruling a shitload of US advantages out so you can seal club a new player then 'losing' the save when he realised he was going to get crushed... Tosser. E: didn't he also pull a 'save is corrupted' after one of his carrier fleets was savaged on the allied turn so the allied guy had to replay it and the strike was nowhere near as good the second time? Spacman fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Dec 15, 2017 |
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I saw a poorly-recorded youtube lets play of an allied run of the game. The guy went into apoplectic fits every time he read that two transport ships had collided in the daily intel screen. (For reference, this is extremely common during amphibious ops and barely does anything aside from a couple of points of systems damage.)
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Spacman posted:God, I remember that. He was a right wanker. Didn't he also pull a game as poo poo thing on one of their carrier fleets off the home islands? Something like chucking 2000 poo poo planes to bug out the CAP mechanic letting his bombers and torpedo aircraft have a free shot at the flat tops? Pulling poo poo like that after homebrew ruling a shitload of US advantages out so you can seal club a new player then 'losing' the save when he realised he was going to get crushed... Tosser. Yes, and yes. The only good thing to come out of that game was that the CAP exploit was so blatant that the devs patched it out.
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   At least the stupid target plotting works in my favour occasionally.  We also get to play a game of spot the rookie pilot.  Also spot the late guy.  Near Buna, some of our men are forced to retreat.   They are still trying to bomb Luganville back into the ocean.   The march into the mountains continues.  More action today! And most of it good for me!  A damaged patrol boat slips beneath the waves.
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Grey how much of China is left to conquer? I feel like you've been making gains forever, are you close to getting complete control?
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Grey, can we get a big map of the high water mark of the empire?
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Spacman posted:God, I remember that. He was a right wanker. Didn't he also pull a game as poo poo thing on one of their carrier fleets off the home islands? Something like chucking 2000 poo poo planes to bug out the CAP mechanic letting his bombers and torpedo aircraft have a free shot at the flat tops? Pulling poo poo like that after homebrew ruling a shitload of US advantages out so you can seal club a new player then 'losing' the save when he realised he was going to get crushed... Tosser. He only lost the save once, that was when it got 'corrupted'. In his defense it is a pretty buggy game, and the noob liked him but it followed a consistent pattern of behavior over like a year (and his stated goal was too see how far things could be pushed against a human allied player). The noob, Greyjoy, also accidentally bugged out the CAP once, that was when he accidentally corrupted the save... After which it didn't work out so badly and the Japanese player then soon followed up with the same thing back at him, at which point they decided they gave up after a bit, deciding the game wasn't working anymore. Should'a just taken his licks. Would've made a good show. Even if it's true they could've just rolled it out until they got something similar again. But the noob really, really liked him and they were having fun so he must've been all right in other ways. --- Will Grey be able to mass everything in China to Chunking and take them out before the Soviets declare? Probably not? Will he be able to hold out...? Yeah, probably won't be that much oil or anything then I guess. Way too many strong Soviet units too. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Dec 15, 2017 |
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oystertoadfish posted:as far as taking chungking, there was some guy on the official forums who managed it. i think he actually took the entirety of China; I think I remember him getting oil from urumqi. somebody over there definitely made the jet planes too, I forget if it was him or not. I want to say that the above game had some strategy featuring ahistorically advanced prop planes that worked pretty well Crap that AAR sounds amazing shame there is no link
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   Rangoon is still getting bombed daily, and is a rubbled wasteland.  This is what an average days bombardment looks like at Jaluit. And I've just ordered a destroyer task force to drop off a brigade of fresh troops.  Just another day of being pummelled by the Ai's superbombers.  We confirm the kill of a light carrier.
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How many points are those? 100ish?
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Reuben Sandwich posted:Grey, can we get a big map of the high water mark of the empire? Ahem. Empire is what were liberating from the gaijin. We are a co-prosperity sphere.
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  Boom! Lib shot!  Only one kill, I'm disappointed!  We are definitely in another quiet spell. It could be worse, those US carriers could be raiding my lands! 
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Is it possible to turn off victory conditions and just keep fighting as either side until you've had your fill? I think it'd be very interesting to see how long Grey could last, in mainland Asia as well, but the most exciting would be how long he could survive against a nuclear-backed Operation Downfall. Would you be up for it, Grey? Tokyo Bay Fortress would see combat!
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Im waiting for someone to notice that Tokyo bay fortress is actually all the missing US carriers.
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RA Rx posted:Is it possible to turn off victory conditions and just keep fighting as either side until you've had your fill? You can make the autovictory limits very high in the scenario editor, but I'm pretty sure the game is hard-coded to end in March 1946.
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Or the fourth (?) bomb. I think I remember something about there being a hard end if you irradiate Japan too often.
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goatface posted:Or the fourth (?) bomb. I think I remember something about there being a hard end if you irradiate Japan too often. You can use up to 8-9 bombs (you get one every month), but if you use more than 2 your victory condition automatically goes down two grades (a decisive victory becomes a Draw, etc.)
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