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Krakox
Oct 9, 2012
I've noticed my existential crises map pretty 1:1 with stressful days or lovely meals, so that's kind of nice. I can't discount everything, but I can be pretty sure it's just me being anxious.

I've been mulling over what makes me most comfortable right now and I think I'm going to convert the relationships I'm in into platonics or ones where you can make out but it's NBD. I can smell the desperation on me. Desperate for what? I dunno. I need a while to crave sex again, because I'm just craving handholding and cuddling.

I've survived some poo poo and while I'm not sure if I am turned off from sex, I just like the idea of affection way more. I mean, the whole sweaty part is great but if I'm freaking out every time I go to bat I got to reconcile. I'm looking at it as a personal growth thing and not a hopeless void though!

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The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Progressive JPEG posted:

lol if nearly every hotel doesn't ask if you want two beds just lol

OMG, I got this one for the first time in Reno of all places. We checked in and the girl at the desk asked and we were so taken aback that we just kinda stared agape until she went and got the keys to the king room we booked.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

cis autodrag posted:

Do you get asked if you're splitting the check every time you go out for dinner too? That poo poo drives me crazy. Waiter will watch you hold hands and still ask like they need to let you know you're violating their norms.

they ask my obviously married old parents that though too, i think it's just a thing waiters do :shrug:

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Krakox posted:

I've noticed my existential crises map pretty 1:1 with stressful days or lovely meals, so that's kind of nice. I can't discount everything, but I can be pretty sure it's just me being anxious.

i'm not saying this is what you're doing or anything, but you're kinda reminding me of myself when i was at my most sadbrains / anxietybrains (?), in that i'd be all "look i've identified what my issues are and have worked out simple explanations for all of them and therefore it's basically a solved problem because it's just me being [x] and all i have to do is not [x]!" then i'd proceed to not fix the problem because duh, and my psychologist would just be all "yeah if it were that easy i wouldn't have a job"

just somethin' to consider is all

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Progressive JPEG posted:

lol if nearly every hotel doesn't ask if you want two beds just lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzKNQH3Unwo

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Gary’s Answer

lol, this is like half good ideas and half kinda offensive, but given the age it's pretty ahead of its time.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






ate all the Oreos posted:

they ask my obviously married old parents that though too, i think it's just a thing waiters do :shrug:

Yeah I don't think you should read too much into this specific thing. Even people in a relationship want to split the bill sometimes.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Waiters do assume things though like my dad would always order red wine and my stepmom would order beer and when they would come out to bring the drinks they would get it wrong 9 times out of 10 and switch them.

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

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cis autodrag posted:

What are you doing

Generally, I tell her about my week, she tells me about mine, then I whip out my tablet and show her stupid poo poo on the internet that I think she'll enjoy because she doesn't run around the same parts of the web as me. I will occasionally tease her by using her head as an arm rest (I'm 6'5" and she's like 5'4") or messing up her hair.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

Avenging_Mikon posted:

Generally, I tell her about my week, she tells me about mine, then I whip out my tablet and show her stupid poo poo on the internet that I think she'll enjoy because she doesn't run around the same parts of the web as me. I will occasionally tease her by using her head as an arm rest (I'm 6'5" and she's like 5'4") or messing up her hair.

outstanding tenderness and humanity :vince:

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

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Helianthus Annuus posted:

outstanding tenderness and humanity :vince:

I'm an rear end, yes. Thanks.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

Avenging_Mikon posted:

I'm an rear end, yes. Thanks.

sry i was being sincere

to clarify: i genuinely think it's great that you take your mom out and spend time with her

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

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Helianthus Annuus posted:

sry i was being sincere

to clarify: i genuinely think it's great that you take your mom out and spend time with her

Oh. Sorry, I'm defensive. I don't always have the greatest relationship with my mom (she's getting more religious as she gets older, but also getting her bipolar better managed. What you gain on the swings you lose on the roundabouts), so... um...anyways, I'm defensive.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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spankmeister posted:

Yeah I don't think you should read too much into this specific thing. Even people in a relationship want to split the bill sometimes.

I have my reasoning though. I've been with the same partner for almost 10 years and for the first 7 of those we were never asked of we wanted to split the check. Suddenly once I presented female they ask every time. It feels like a microaggression to me, but I'm not telling anyone else they have to feel that way. But it definitely bothers me because people police my gender presentation in all sorts of subtle ways like that.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

Avenging_Mikon posted:

Oh. Sorry, I'm defensive. I don't always have the greatest relationship with my mom (she's getting more religious as she gets older, but also getting her bipolar better managed. What you gain on the swings you lose on the roundabouts), so... um...anyways, I'm defensive.

sounds like my mother-in-law is on the same track as your mom. it's not always easy. i've had a couple meltdowns IRL when she says something like "college students should have guns in classrooms". she's on that fox news poo poo

and my wife is an outspoken feminist, so lately they've been fighting about that with the #metoo stuff coming out

anyway good on you for keeping that relationship going in spite of the difficulties

edit: to further clarify, i will never make a hostile post in this thread. all my posts in here come from a place of love, even if some come from a place of ignorance.

Helianthus Annuus fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Jan 23, 2018

prisoner of waffles
May 8, 2007

Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.

Helianthus Annuus posted:

edit: to further clarify, i will never make a hostile post in this thread. all my posts in here come from a place of love, even if some come from a place of ignorance.

this thread is a blessing.

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



cis autodrag posted:

I have my reasoning though. I've been with the same partner for almost 10 years and for the first 7 of those we were never asked of we wanted to split the check. Suddenly once I presented female they ask every time. It feels like a microaggression to me, but I'm not telling anyone else they have to feel that way. But it definitely bothers me because people police my gender presentation in all sorts of subtle ways like that.

idk, who gives a poo poo about what other people say, do, or think. it's your life, live however you'd like and gently caress everyone else.


life is much easier when you don't give a gently caress about other people's opinions and are content with who you are as a person. assuming microaggressions from waitstaff who are used to people splitting bills (since everyone goes dutch nowadays especially compared to 5-10 years ago) strikes me as a tad of a silly stance especially since they have no idea how long you and your partner have been together and they probably just want to go outside and have a cigarette sooner

that being said i've never walked in your shoes before so i have no idea what it's like, but that's my naive hot take on the issue :shobon:

FAT32 SHAMER fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jan 23, 2018

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
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Helianthus Annuus posted:

sounds like my mother-in-law is on the same track as your mom. it's not always easy. i've had a couple meltdowns IRL when she says something like "college students should have guns in classrooms". she's on that fox news poo poo

and my wife is an outspoken feminist, so lately they've been fighting about that with the #metoo stuff coming out

anyway good on you for keeping that relationship going in spite of the difficulties
My mom's (still, so far,) ignorant about social issues and things like that. I had to explain the difference between transvestite and transgender. She wondered what the point of clean-needle exchange sites were and why not just let drug addicts die. I pointed out as a Christian she shouldn't want to just let anyone die. I then also quoted all the relevant crime and health stats. She was actually genuinely curious, not going "this is such a waste!"

Helianthus Annuus posted:

edit: to further clarify, i will never make a hostile post in this thread. all my posts in here come from a place of love, even if some come from a place of ignorance.

:glomp:

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

cis autodrag posted:

I have my reasoning though. I've been with the same partner for almost 10 years and for the first 7 of those we were never asked of we wanted to split the check. Suddenly once I presented female they ask every time. It feels like a microaggression to me, but I'm not telling anyone else they have to feel that way. But it definitely bothers me because people police my gender presentation in all sorts of subtle ways like that.

i definitely think you're onto something, because i'm only ever asked to split the check when i'm with friends, never when i'm with my significant-other

my guess is that some peoples heuristics for determining whether a couple is dating are behind the times. trying to be charitable here, i know you said you're giving very obvious outward signs. but i don't think most waiters would intentionally do something just to piss you off. on the other hand, i don't think most waiters want to spend more cognitive energy on your table than is absolutely necessary, hence the lovely heuristic.

i can see why it hurts though, because it's implicitly not recognizing your relationship as legitimate.

if you're not tired of my suggestions yet: what happens when you pay with cash, and have the cash on the table when you ask for the check?

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

FAT32 SHAMER posted:

idk, who gives a poo poo about what other people say, do, or think. it's your life, live however you'd like and gently caress everyone else.

a real common theme in this thread is people suffering from alienation, often because of a move to a new area, away from old friends. not being accepted and understood by other people compounds this further

part of having a full life is being accepted and understood by others, and its an easy thing to take for granted

so my counterpoint: never stop trying to make meaningful connections with others, even when it hurts. theres a social dimension to every part of our lives, and you neglect it at your own peril

Helianthus Annuus fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Jan 23, 2018

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



Helianthus Annuus posted:

a real common theme in this thread is people suffering from alienation, often because of a move to a new area, away from old friends. not being accepted and understood by other people compounds this further

part of having a full life is being accepted and understood by others, and its an easy thing to take for granted

so my counterpoint: never stop trying to make meaningful connections with others, even when it hurts. theres a social dimension to every part of our lives, and you neglect it at your own peril

that’s a really good point, thanks for reminding me of this :)

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Helianthus Annuus posted:

i definitely think you're onto something, because i'm only ever asked to split the check when i'm with friends, never when i'm with my significant-other

my guess is that some peoples heuristics for determining whether a couple is dating are behind the times. trying to be charitable here, i know you said you're giving very obvious outward signs. but i don't think most waiters would intentionally do something just to piss you off. on the other hand, i don't think most waiters want to spend more cognitive energy on your table than is absolutely necessary, hence the lovely heuristic.

i can see why it hurts though, because it's implicitly not recognizing your relationship as legitimate.

if you're not tired of my suggestions yet: what happens when you pay with cash, and have the cash on the table when you ask for the check?

We usually hand them a card when we're ready to pay rather than wait for a bill, and they almost always turn to whoever didn't hand them a card to ask for theirs too.

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

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cis autodrag posted:

We usually hand them a card when we're ready to pay rather than wait for a bill, and they almost always turn to whoever didn't hand them a card to ask for theirs too.

That's completely hosed up. I can see exactly why it gets you upset. The entire point of getting the card(s) out is to signal the method of payment.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

cis autodrag posted:

We usually hand them a card when we're ready to pay rather than wait for a bill

wait you can do this? why didn't i ever think of doing this, fuckin' life hacks :aaaaa:

macintoshplusplus
Aug 17, 2017

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FAT32 SHAMER posted:

idk, who gives a poo poo about what other people say, do, or think. it's your life, live however you'd like and gently caress everyone else.


life is much easier when you don't give a gently caress about other people's opinions and are content with who you are as a person. assuming microaggressions from waitstaff who are used to people splitting bills (since everyone goes dutch nowadays especially compared to 5-10 years ago) strikes me as a tad of a silly stance especially since they have no idea how long you and your partner have been together and they probably just want to go outside and have a cigarette sooner

that being said i've never walked in your shoes before so i have no idea what it's like, but that's my naive hot take on the issue :shobon:

Deffo agree that life is easier if you can not care but that is not quite as easy to learn

Helianthus Annuus posted:

part of having a full life is being accepted and understood by others, and its an easy thing to take for granted

And I think this is ingrained in most people so it makes it extra hard not to give a gently caress, well at least for me

There was one time when I was getting some candy for a road trip cause I wanted to treat myself. I had a fun weekend ahead and wanted to kick it off right. To preface this, I'm fat, not incredibly so but its not healthy. The cashier made a comment similar to "Do you really need that?" and I didn't hear her so I went "what?" and she loving repeated it. Now, it didn't stick with me or ruin my day but it still didn't feel great. People can be assholes and when you know that, its hard to not be on guard.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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ate all the Oreos posted:

wait you can do this? why didn't i ever think of doing this, fuckin' life hacks :aaaaa:

Yeah. In Wisconsin they usually bring you the bill halfway through the entree it where I live now it can take ages to get the check but if you hand them a card they will run it right away. Very useful.

You all are a hetero couple right? It'd be interesting to cross reference different situations we've been in to see how people react to gay vs straight couples with a trans person.

macintoshplusplus
Aug 17, 2017

stay noided
btw hi everyone! I'm pan/bi/queer but def not straight. I had some questioning times with gender but its never been a huge concern for me. I say I'm cis male but probably more agender than anything. I just don't ~feel~ my gender too much I guess. I dunno its weird but I'm okay with not giving it much more thought for the time being

This thread is great and I think all of you are great

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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macintoshplusplus posted:

btw hi everyone! I'm pan/bi/queer but def not straight. I had some questioning times with gender but its never been a huge concern for me. I say I'm cis male but probably more agender than anything. I just don't ~feel~ my gender too much I guess. I dunno its weird but I'm okay with not giving it much more thought for the time being

This thread is great and I think all of you are great

Hi, welcome!

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

cis autodrag posted:

Yeah. In Wisconsin they usually bring you the bill halfway through the entree it where I live now it can take ages to get the check but if you hand them a card they will run it right away. Very useful.

You all are a hetero couple right? It'd be interesting to cross reference different situations we've been in to see how people react to gay vs straight couples with a trans person.

i think you may have tapped onto something that lesbians experience more than just transwomen. an ex of mine was married to a woman for three years before we dated, and I seem to recall she had the same complaints. i'll ask a few other lesbian couples i know to see if they get the same treatment. similarly, i'll be out with women friends (cis or otherwise) and they'll typically just bring one check, but if i'm out with another guy (date or not) they'll default to asking if we want to split.


e: after talking with two cis and one trans lesbian friends they all get the split check question. so i don't think it's so much that transphobic micoraggressions are taking place, but rather people assuming that two people of the same gender aren't a couple. more anti-gay than anti-trans, but it does happen to people i know as well. you're not alone in this.

Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Jan 23, 2018

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer
love to play pubg with pan people

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

every time i am out with friends the waiters always bring one check presumably because they either think we're in a six-way polyamorous pansexual relationship OR possibly because the waiter is lazy.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

https://twitter.com/TheAnarchoRaver/status/955581442750386177

laffo

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

i'd go to that show in a second

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

ow my boobs hurt.

I guess thats good because they're still actively growing? Ow tho.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Synthbuttrange posted:

ow my boobs hurt.

I guess thats good because they're still actively growing? Ow tho.

Sometimes boobs just hurt for no reason. Ain't it grand?

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

cis autodrag posted:

Sometimes boobs just hurt for no reason. Ain't it grand?

i've only been on e for like 8 months and mostly only at 2mg so not yet they ain't :(

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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UberJew posted:

i've only been on e for like 8 months and mostly only at 2mg so not yet they ain't :(

Are you tiny? I was at 5mg by then. What's your Spiro dose?

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

cis autodrag posted:

Are you tiny? I was at 5mg by then. What's your Spiro dose?

200mg, and I'm quite large but I don't actually have an endo, just a PA who is being very cautious (and also medi-cal will not cover blood tests for t or e levels so we're shooting in the dark) and excessively worried about fatty liver b/c of elevated enzymes b/c i'm fat

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
lobster dating status:

had a third date, got sushi, still great (the dude i'm dating)

this has been lobster dating status

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Shaman Linavi
Apr 3, 2012

UberJew posted:

200mg, and I'm quite large but I don't actually have an endo, just a PA who is being very cautious (and also medi-cal will not cover blood tests for t or e levels so we're shooting in the dark) and excessively worried about fatty liver b/c of elevated enzymes b/c i'm fat

you could always try getting a lab slip and then let the lab know you are paying cash. i've done that for other tests since i have the "don't get sick" insurance plan and most places have reasonable cash prices and payment options.

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