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It's almost like they're old as gently caress and haven't been relevant in well over 20 years now.
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Baron von Eevl posted:It's possible but I don't think he'd have made it to singing professionally at 55 if he didn't already have that down. It's been over twenty years since we heard Billy sing, which was on Machina, and also his vocal peak imo. Dude has talked through songs for a long time now. I'm probably technically wrong because I haven't listened to everything post-reunion but I've heard enough 
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Hey have we talked about how Solara and Beguiled are the exact same loving song?
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SUNKOS posted:It's been over twenty years since we heard Billy sing, which was on Machina, and also his vocal peak imo. Dude has talked through songs for a long time now. You're technically wrong because what he's doing is singing, not speaking. He's hitting the notes in a melody by varying his pitch and timing the words to the rhythm of the song. His vocal style is definitely different than it was when he was 28, but that's because he's in his loving 50s and not 28. He sings, and I'm not sure why you always call it talking. This Is the Zodiac posted:Hey have we talked about how Solara and Beguiled are the exact same loving song? You're not wrong, but like what else is there to say. He did another "chug on the root" song. Great job Billy you did another slightly worse version of that song that was only moderately well received a few years ago.
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The opening track from ATUM sounds like it belongs under the opening credits of a cop movie from like 1988. It has some really good moments, and a couple of good songs, but really, really didn't need to be 3 CDs. Like I'm sure there's a great single-disc album in there, and I don't understand how you can make a song like "The Good in Goodbye" and then a song like "Hooray!" and say "Yup, these two songs are equally good and will both shine on the same album." edit: My favorite tracks are probably "Beyond the Vale", "The Good in Goodbye", and "Steps in Time". This Is the Zodiac fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Nov 21, 2022 |
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Nov 21, 2022 15:48
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This Is the Zodiac posted:The opening track from ATUM sounds like it belongs under the opening credits of a cop movie from like 1988. I think the idea behind the sprawling 2/3/4 disc albums (or whatever this actually is) is that you have room to put big anthems and quiet statements and weird little asides in there. Cupid de Locke can't really stand side-by-side with Porcelina but here we are. I think the stupid thing is this insane release plan, releasing disc 1 in November but just calling it ATUM, then disc 2 in January, then disc 3 in April BUT the first two of those they're only putting them up on streaming, no sales, and then in April they'll actually sell the whole thing BUT the whole thing will also have an extra disc that will only be available with the physical media release. Honestly I think Billy just knows that traditional sales models aren't really working and definitely aren't going to work for a band that's been around for 34 years, so they're just trying random poo poo. Drip-feed it to build hype, but drip-feed it in big chunks so it's still a statement, but don't sell it that way, sell it only as a total package, but you still gotta have streaming so yeah put the chunks up on Spotify and poo poo, but also we gotta reward the serious collector who will buy vinyl so also there's an extra disc just for them. I get that they're trying something new, but they're not clearly communicating that and frankly nobody really gives enough of a poo poo at this point to pay closer attention. They're way overthinking it without actually understanding it. It's overproofed and underbaked.
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Comparing Hooray to Cupid actually made me realize what doesn't work for me on this album. Songs like Cupid de Locke, We Only Come Out at Night, even Beautiful kind of, that work as "side" pieces as opposed to "main" tracks, I think they work because of how organic they sound. The harp, the 12-string, the beatboxing, they lend a sort of homespun, comforting quality to MCIS. The tracks that serve that purpose on ATUM have a cold, synthetic, very alienating sound. You can even listen to Adore, their so-called "electronic album", and won't be able to say it doesn't sound organic compared to ATUM or Cyr. "The Gold Mask" has this little piano doodley-doo and as soon as it enters it just jumps out from the synths.
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This Is the Zodiac posted:Comparing Hooray to Cupid actually made me realize what doesn't work for me on this album. Songs like Cupid de Locke, We Only Come Out at Night, even Beautiful kind of, that work as "side" pieces as opposed to "main" tracks, I think they work because of how organic they sound. The harp, the 12-string, the beatboxing, they lend a sort of homespun, comforting quality to MCIS. The tracks that serve that purpose on ATUM have a cold, synthetic, very alienating sound. You can even listen to Adore, their so-called "electronic album", and won't be able to say it doesn't sound organic compared to ATUM or Cyr. I feel this exact same way. They'd never, ever, ever write and produce a song like Luna or Lily anymore. That thing that made the Pumpkins famous, the lullabies to screamathons dynamic, is dead, and they've flatlined in between.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I feel this exact same way. Flatlined is a perfect way of describing it imho
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Porcelina, Thru the Eyes of a Ruby.... songs of this calibre are pretty much dead, at least from the Pumpkins. I would love to be wrong, but I don't think the other 2/3 of ATUM will show that I am.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Porcelina, Thru the Eyes of a Ruby.... songs of this calibre are pretty much dead, at least from the Pumpkins. I feel that if the second disc is just more gothy new order send ups with no teeth I might be at the point where I stop caring about Corgan projects, and this time I really mean it. Unless he finally did a proper release of Machina II.
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Nov 22, 2022 16:14
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A proper release of Machina II and all the Zwan stuff would be amazing.
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I think the idea is Machina 2 material will be part of the Machina reissue. I don't know much of that will be included (just stuff from the LP? The EPs too?) but if nothing else a child years back when Billy was talking about it he was sharing shots of like the different tracks being mixed for like Dross, and Jimmy was recording a drum part for White Spyder.
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Really nice fan art posted on their main FB page:
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The only reference I'm not getting is issue number 2.
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Baron von Eevl posted:The only reference I'm not getting is issue number 2. That's a reference to all the albums after machina
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Baron von Eevl posted:The only reference I'm not getting is issue number 2. Is it just because it was a double album?
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Beyond the Vale is an alright song. Not a Pumpkins song but I dig it. Cyr didn't have a single song that was at all listenable so it's an improvement!
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B0lly's interview with BEATO is out, gets fairly in-depth for recording and differences in production technique - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAfkxHcqWKI The vocals for 1979 were done with Billy sitting in front of the mixing board with a Shure SM7 with the monitors blasting, no headphones
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He's insufferable.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:He's insufferable. rick or billy
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William. I watch Beato all the time, he's harmless if a bit boring and "old man yells at cloud"-y.
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Ratios and Tendency posted:He's insufferable. "My hearing is so incredible it tricks me into singing off key" is the most Billy Corgan statement to ever exist.
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I'm not a huge Soundgarden guy, nor am I very far into the video, but did he just knock Kim Thayill's solos?!
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He's upset about how Thayil hurt him, he hurt him here, in his heart.
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I’m going to watch that entire interview throughout the week because I do not value my time properly. But I’ll watch it while I’m working.
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banned from Starbucks posted:rick or billy yes I looked and saw how long the interview was, and neither person is someone I can tolerate listening to for more than 10 minutes*. *Obviously I can listen to Billy's music for much longer, but listening to him talk is something else. Beato is just a lethal dose of boomer energy at that length of time.
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Beato is such a boomer that his kids are named Lennon, Dylan, and Layla
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Happy Hippo posted:Beato is such a boomer that his kids are named Lennon, Dylan, and Layla "Can't think of any female musicians at all, guess I'll name my daughter after a song by a racist pedophile"
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Kingo Ligma posted:"Can't think of any female musicians at all, guess I'll name my daughter after a song by a racist pedophile" Hey, that's not fair. He's a racist, pedophile, and anti-vaxxer.
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Happy Hippo posted:Beato is such a boomer that his kids are named Lennon, Dylan, and Layla Holy gently caress that is so basic.
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Cemetry Gator posted:Hey, that's not fair. Wait, who's this? I'm not arguing your claim, I guess I just don't follow who's into this poo poo. I assume Clapton from the Layla reference, but I didn't know about the pedophile stuff. Edit: nm, I just reread and saw that that you wrote 'after a song written by'. Again, I didn't know about the pedophile stuff.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Wait, who's this? I'm not arguing your claim, I guess I just don't follow who's into this poo poo. It's always a safe bet that anyone who held a guitar before 1990 did statutory rapes on the daily. The easy way to remember is "holding a Strat? Done a stat".
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NBC in Chicago will be broadcasting a New Year's Eve special called A Very Chicago New Year on Saturday night, and Billy Corgan will be performing from Madame Zuzu's as part of the show. It also features Everclear, who I did not know were from Chicago. Not sure if it's going to stream online or just air locally.
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This Is the Zodiac posted:It also features Everclear, who I did not know were from Chicago. They are not, they are very famously from Portland.
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Djarum posted:They are not, they are very famously from Portland.
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teethgrinder posted:Even this is news to me and I had to verify. They were like the most California-rear end band I could imagine growing up. Really? I would've thought that'd be Sugar Ray or RHCP.
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