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It annoys me so much that Cedric's job is literally to do audio content and he has the most dogshit mic with no balancing at all. If I was paying him for content I would either have given him a new mic or told him to get one at this point.
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Oct 9, 2021 18:28
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Even Kenji Egashira said the same thing I did about Epiphany and Time Walk effects being the most boring, unfun cards in a recent youtube video, where he's playing different Worlds decks. Epiphany's gonna eat a ban real soon.
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Oct 9, 2021 19:11
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My idea to fix the extra turn issue is to make it so you only get 1 extra turn per normal turn. So if you copied epiphany, you get extra birds but the turns wouldn't stack.
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Oct 9, 2021 19:25
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Just stop printing them into standard and just make more and more elaborate Explore effects, imo.
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Oct 9, 2021 19:30
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I think the issue is that the rules currently don’t differentiate between regular and extra turns. They could be rewritten, but it’d take more than just hand waving the problem away.
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Oct 9, 2021 19:30
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whydirt posted:I think the issue is that the rules currently don’t differentiate between regular and extra turns. They could be rewritten, but it’d take more than just hand waving the problem away. They can! I'm not up on standard, but given that extra turn cards have been around forever and only timewalk was any good, I'm inclined to believe the issue is with the formats that support these decks, rather than extra turns as a mechanic, unless they never intend to shift the format as needed to prevent this.
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Oct 9, 2021 19:38
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I think if you went back to 2010 with modern MTG knowledge you'd end up with a very different metagame and a lot more time warps.
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Oct 9, 2021 20:37
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HootTheOwl posted:Just stop printing them into standard and just make more and more elaborate Explore effects, imo. They banned the last two of those too lmao
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Oct 9, 2021 21:03
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Ban islands
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Oct 9, 2021 22:28
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The Klowner posted:Ban islands Global warming will take care of this
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Oct 9, 2021 22:30
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Every extra turn should be in the style of timestream navigator, so that the opponent has the time and ability to answer it no matter their colors or at least brace for it, knowing what's coming. It doesn't have to be quite as weak as navigator but there need to be more answers and more conditions. Like, an enchantment or artifact that has a smaller cost to sac for an extra turn but only if the opponent's deck has less than 20 cards, as a payoff for mill. Or only if you've cast 10 instants while it was in play. Or only if you have 12 cards in hand, or you control 10 artifacts. The point is, extra turns generally shouldn't just be something you play from hand and only an opposing blue player can do anything about it, for the same reason that they don't let planeswalker ultimates be played from hand. They'd be better as a lurking threat/reward that changes the texture of the game.
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Oct 9, 2021 23:30
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Global warming will take care of this No, global warming will just turn mountains into islands.
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Oct 9, 2021 23:56
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Magic Underwear posted:Every extra turn should be in the style of timestream navigator, so that the opponent has the time and ability to answer it no matter their colors or at least brace for it, knowing what's coming. It doesn't have to be quite as weak as navigator but there need to be more answers and more conditions. Honestly I’d rather they just not print them than print them but make them completely unplayable. Standard can exist without Time Walk effects and eternal formats have enough to pick from.
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Oct 10, 2021 00:00
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Vanilla Time Walks are bad when you’re behind because they don’t do anything for your board. Ones that give you creatures are dangerous because they let you leverage the extra turn more efficiently.
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Oct 10, 2021 00:05
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Compromise: Allow time walk effects but every time you play one you have to play the entire time warp song from Rocky horror and do all the dance moves perfectly or else it gets countered and exiled.
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Oct 10, 2021 00:14
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fadam posted:Honestly I’d rather they just not print them than print them but make them completely unplayable. Standard can exist without Time Walk effects and eternal formats have enough to pick from. Iirc the 5 mana time walk didnt gently caress things up so why not just print that one instead? Alrunds giving you creatures seems like the actual problem with the card since it gets real hosed when copied or even just done in multiples
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Oct 10, 2021 00:16
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Compromise: Allow time walk effects but every time you play one you have to play the entire time warp song from Rocky horror and do all the dance moves perfectly or else it gets countered and exiled. 
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Oct 10, 2021 00:18
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Compromise: Allow time walk effects but every time you play one you have to play the entire time warp song from Rocky horror and do all the dance moves perfectly or else it gets countered and exiled. Doesn't seem like enough of a downside. I mean, it's just a jump to the left, and a step to the right.
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Oct 10, 2021 00:21
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Time Warp was never a problem, so clearly the problem with this card isn't that it's a more expensive time warp, it's that it does other things too. Stop blaming basic-rear end mechanics that have been around for the entire life of this game for problems caused by other poo poo.
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Oct 10, 2021 00:26
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:Doesn't seem like enough of a downside. I mean, it's just a jump to the left, and a step to the right. It’s the pelvic thrust that really drives you insane
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Oct 10, 2021 00:26
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The Shortest Path posted:Time Warp was never a problem, so clearly the problem with this card isn't that it's a more expensive time warp, it's that it does other things too. Having your turn skipped isn’t fun
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Oct 10, 2021 00:27
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Having your turn skipped isn’t fun Neither is losing.
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The Shortest Path posted:Neither is losing. Agreed, they should also ban me losing.
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Oct 10, 2021 00:29
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The Shortest Path posted:Time Warp was never a problem, so clearly the problem with this card isn't that it's a more expensive time warp, it's that it does other things too. Time Warp has been banned again in a format this year because of how disruptive it was. The issue, as others have pointed out, is that the value one can get from a turn has increased significantly, and extra turns may not be a fun mechanic without dropping the power level of Standard significantly, which would take years at this point.
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Oct 10, 2021 00:30
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The Shortest Path posted:Time Warp was never a problem, so clearly the problem with this card isn't that it's a more expensive time warp, it's that it does other things too. You might be right, but like someone earlier in the thread said (TCID?) there’s a good chance that if modern (not the format, but like, how Magic is developed and played now versus ten years ago) MTG play went back in time, Time Warp would have needed a ban.
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Oct 10, 2021 00:30
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Me once me losing is banned
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Oct 10, 2021 00:32
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Admittedly epiphany wouldn’t be as big of a problem if it a) didn’t create creatures and b) didn’t let you tuck it safely away in exile so it can’t be hit with duress or spellbinder type cards
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Oct 10, 2021 00:33
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I wonder if they just straight up swapped Warp for Epiphany if the UR turns decks would be better or worse. TW, Lier, flashback TW sounds nightmarish. Not exiling on resolution and being cheaper might be better in aggregate than getting the birds.
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Time walks aren’t that good in general. Alrund’s is only powerful because of Galvanic Iteration and because it makes it’s own threats. Galvanic sets up a turn 8 of GI + Alrund’s that allows for no counter play because, unlike a normal Fork, countering the Alrund’s still lets the copy resolve. Then you just flash back GI and do it all again the next turn since you’ve probably hit a second Alrund’s with all the draw leading up to T8. Plus Izzet has Expressive Iteration and Memory Deluge to ensure you never miss a land drop.
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Oct 10, 2021 00:45
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fadam posted:You might be right, but like someone earlier in the thread said (TCID?) there’s a good chance that if modern (not the format, but like, how Magic is developed and played now versus ten years ago) MTG play went back in time, Time Warp would have needed a ban. I don't know that's true, but I do think it would've seen a lot more play than it did. It was really a different time. Fetches + Ponder + Jace TMS + Time Warp were all legal but not played together except by LSV.
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Time Warp by itself kinda sucks unless you can really get on top of the extra turn. Otherwise it's explore at 5. Nexus was instant and at the same time as hero of Dominaria and wilderness reclamation. Alrund's didn't see action before MID, so a combination of Smoldering Dragon and Galvanic Iteration pushed it over the top.
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Still angry that the thread title isn't "Don't proxen that moxen"
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Alrund's didn't see action before MID
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Time Warp by itself kinda sucks unless you can really get on top of the extra turn. Otherwise it's explore at 5. At absolute minimum it's an explore that untaps your mana for 5. With a reasonable game plan it's often going to generate a bunch of mana, provide an extra attack step, and/or give a bunch of once a turn value on top of that. Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Alrund's didn't see action before MID Um. It did, though. Quite a lot, in often the best deck in the format.
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Oct 10, 2021 05:25
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:At absolute minimum it's an explore that untaps your mana for 5. With a reasonable game plan it's often going to generate a bunch of mana, provide an extra attack step, and/or give a bunch of once a turn value on top of that. Sounds like it's time to do a 2021 worldwake standard tournament. I'm not kidding, let's do it.
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Odd, search I did didn't have anything before MID. Did someone erase it from the archive memory, or was it just a really bad search? I will go with the pointless conspiracy option because it's wackier.
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Oct 10, 2021 12:54
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Simone Magus posted:do players even want new mechanics all the time? Learn/Lesson was great, Dungeons were cool, but Day/Night doesn't seem to have been tested very well and it often seems to amount to essentially "at various times throughout the match, Do A Thing" which is definitely not bad but feels... blah to play Day/Night actually will be sticking around in Crimson Vow, so there's a returning one for you. I agree that I miss that aspect of block releases, for all their other issues, and wouldn't mind them giving some new mechanics more room to breathe.
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goferchan posted:Day/Night actually will be sticking around in Crimson Vow, yyyyikes
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