Trump Thread II: The man make a tweet

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evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Let's hope. I get very cynical about this sort of thing ever since there was all that mathematical analysis that showed there was almost certainly vote tampering in the Alvin Greene election.

I don't recall this analysis and I strongly doubt anyone would have bothered.

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evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/897520136395120640
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# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:15

farraday: Jan 10, 2007; Lower those eyebrows, young man. And the other one.

CubeTheory posted:

I've lived in rural Ohio for 32 years, AMA.

Question 1: Why? Follow up : No seriously why?

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/897498936579051520

Good news, Rainbow flags to be flying over Southern state houses starting tomorrow.

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:15

Shifty Pony: Dec 28, 2004; Up ta somethin'

theflyingorc posted:

I'm pretty sure the original poster was complaining on how long it took to build one.

While that delay is an embarrassing part of the monument, my major complaint is that it just isn't very good. The Korean War Memorial and the Vietnam War Memorial both hit you hard and you need to sit down for a while and reflect on what happened and the people involved. WWII memorial just does not have that same emotional connection, mostly because it feels less like a unified monument and more like a series of monument ideas jammed together.

Also they didn't take into account how people would interact with the space and have to constantly chase people away when they use the fountains as wading pools.

The people who served (in any capacity) deserved better.

Shifty Pony fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Aug 15, 2017

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:17

Mahoning: Feb 3, 2007

Dietrich posted:

As an Ohioan- Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland are doing alright.

This is true as well. All 3 cities have growing young (Millenial) populations. The same can't be said for the rest of the state. In fact, all of the progressive young minds flee Ohio as soon as they graduate HS or from tOSU. So the only young people left are surrounded by disaffected old people that drone on and on about how much better it was growing up in the 60's and 70's and everyone was guaranteed a job at the mill whenever they wanted.

So the challenge is getting the young Ohio natives to return home and start turning Ohio blue again. I mean, my mortgage for a 3 bedroom 1800 sq ft house is like $450/mo (and that includes taxes!)

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:17

BlueBlazer: Apr 1, 2010

FizFashizzle posted:

Alright, I want to talk about what i call the Moral Imperative of Doxx'ing Nazis.

Right wing fascism spread in France, Spain, Germany, eastern europe and the southern united states for primarily two reasons: Anonymity/lack of consequences for your actions, and a legitimate perceived threat from soviet Russia.

I'll deal with the second first.

The soviets were loving everywhere in the 20s and 30s. They had infiltrated the banks, and they legit had spies in western europe. During the spanish civil war, they basically took over the madrid government. They were completely incompetent and stalin purged the generals for good reason, but that's beyond the point. Your average middle class parisian, or german, or hungarian could reasonably point to that threat of soviet incursion and make a lesser of two evils argument for the fascists. We were less than a decade from GLORIOUS POLAND winning their only military victory in their miserable history when they stopped Trotsky. Full disclose, I'm polish, so I can say that

If you look at the rise of nazi's in germany and the fascists in france (what I'm more familiar with) what you'll see is the middle classes overwhelmingly favoring the fascists over the anarchists and soviets.

The Klan in the United States beat that Communist menace drum as hard as anyone, and used it to malign basically every other social progress movement they didn't like. Now obviously there were other reasons in the American South that the klan had implicit support that didn't exist in western europe (race) but the soviets were there. Of course the joke is the soviets weren't in the southeast becase it was a desolate poo poo hole but that's irrelevant.

This obviously doesn't apply to the current day united states, because there is no real leftists organization. Not to get all prester jane, but I think the DSA in the immediate future will get more and more publicity from the right wing. For the right to work, there must always be an enemy which is simultaneously an existential threat and imminently beatable blah blah blah read umberto ecco.

The other thing more relevant to us today is the anonymity and relative lack of consequence these movements operated under. In germany, for example, yeah you go out in a crowd to fight the communists, and every now and then someone gets assassinated, but for the most part these guys went to work on monday and no one knew what they'd done on the weekend. Even for your most diehard brownshirt they had families and jobs and they had some sense of anonymity. And even if they did get arrested, the one thing the proto-nazis did do right was stack the courts. They'd always get a judge to give them a slap on the wrist, while the communist would be off doing hard labor.

I am a southerner as well as a GLORIOUS , FOURTH ROME and I had at least one family member that was in the klan. The klan only worked when no one knew who the members were. Oh sure there were some more outspoken and blatant about it, including a future US senator, but your rank and file were only involved when they could do it without losing their job, or social standing, or whatever. I know we like to poo poo on the south in here, but you couldn't openly be in the klan in the south. It's just like being an alcoholic baptist. Everyone knows you are, but as long as you have plausible deniability, it's fine. The second you get caught passed out somewhere, then they have issues.

The klan was destroyed in the south when the fbi just started naming them. They weren't wearing sheets because of how proud they were of what they were doing, and for the most part that kind of blatant, overt racism and murder retreated into the country clubs where white people could drink their drinks and make racist jokes. This is horrible for sure, but better than it was.

We'll obviously never know what would have happened to western europe if these people had just been named, but there's a reason it's a rude question to ask someone in buenos aires why they have a french accent.

My main point is 4chan was a big reason this whole alt right bullshit got started. They could post anonymously without consequences, talk with others like them, and that they gave them a false sense of empowerment. Oh man there's so many of us and we can just talk like really mean and surely everyone else would think this way but the PC culture is keeping us down blah blah blah. Yeah we can meet them and beat the poo poo out of them, but fascists had their asses beat up and down western europe for most of the 30s and that didn't stop their rise. As a matter of fact, it just reinforces their persecution complex.

The way you fight them is make their actions have consequences. They all know their ideas are horrific, and when confronted with them they resort to puppet master defenses. This gets quoted a lot, but it bears repeating

https://newrepublic.com/article/139004/ironic-nazis-still-nazis

They know this is horseshit. None of their ideas can stand up to an ounce of scrutiny and they know it. If things get too hot they can just back down and laugh it off until they're surrounded by enough of their rear end in a top hat friends to recharge their persecution complex. Then they'll charge again.

There is a massive backlash against the alt right after this weekend. They will go into hiding and lay low for a while. Just like after Berkley. Just like after Richard Spencer got run out of loving Auburn of all places ( don't gently caress with the :sec: bitch) , but it's only a matter of time before this happens again.

There have to be consequences for their actions.

Every single person that has been identified from this weekend needs to have their lives ruined. You smother this in its cradle right now. Yeah people like richard spencer are too in it to really ruin, and punching him is cool and good. But the people that would make up the rank and file need to understand that if they do this, they're becoming unemployable. They'll get kicked out of their university. They're moving back in with mom and dad. They'll never get laid again.

The nature of social media offers people on the left a historically unique opportunity to destroy this before it can get going. Yes, Trump is sympathetic to them for whatever loving reason, but he's a dead man walking. The institutions are resisting him in a way that didn't occur in 1930s germany.

These people need to be punished. make a large enough message now, and it will resonate through the rest of this generation. Fascism isn't some cool and edgy thing. It's a destructive force that needs to be stamped out, and supporting it, even if you're doing it ironically, is reason enough to have your life ruined. Even the most lighthearted, disinterested, ironic fascism will do damage, and it's just not something that can be hosed with.

now i'd like a spicy chicken sandwich, a frostee, and some fries

Reposting this.

Also want to add we all know where this poo poo has been festering for years. Can't let it go unaccounted any longer. Spend 15min tonight and go spam those dark corners of the net. It's exhausting. But it's been allowed to go unchallenged because we've tuned out.

You've all seen it . There aren't that many of them. They are just noisy. A regular contingent to shout back for even 15min won't let it stand. Use your wit, your darkness, and experience.

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Hieronymous Alloy: Jan 30, 2009; Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!; Morbid Hound

evilweasel posted:

I don't recall this analysis and I strongly doubt anyone would have bothered.

If I weren't on the phone now I'd dig it up. It was 538. They did a mathematical analysis of the vote distribution and it showed a pattern consistent with tampering.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/sc-democratic-primary-getting-weirder/

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Aug 15, 2017

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:18

CubeTheory: Mar 26, 2010; Cube Reversal

farraday posted:

Question 1: Why?

I could give you a list of excuses, but it boils down to a combination of health problems, and more importantly, a lack of self-motivation.

Let me be clear, though: this place is as terrible and opioid ravaged as you think it is.

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:20

Azhais: Feb 5, 2007; Switchblade Switcharoo

aware of dog posted:

Fucis: uAW!

If I had to guess I'd go with "Fuc Islam", but that person really needs to work on their spraypaintmenship

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DaveWoo: Aug 14, 2004; Fun Shoe

https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/897522469204000769

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evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

edit: i see you posted the article, different one from the one i found, disregard

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:22

Krispy Wafer: Jul 26, 2002; I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
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boner confessor posted:

sorry bro, it's factually incorrect

yes, civil war markers, north and south. literally just a sign that says "a thing happened here". you can't easily distinguish between the two and it's bigly disingenous to say "these are confederate memorials"

and this is because in the 1950's georgia put up a shitload of these markers. they're all over atlanta and they're often like "so and so and his brigade attacked such and such's troops here on july 15 1864"

I always thought they were relatively recent. It was a surprise to look a little closer and see they'd been there for 40+ years.

And yeah, there's nothing insidious about them. They're just markers. I don't think they even editorialize events.

Shifty Pony posted:

While that delay is an embarrassing part of the monument, my major complaint is that it just isn't very good. The Korean War Memorial and the Vietnam War Memorial both hit you hard and you need to sit down for a while and reflect on what happened and the people involved. WWII memorial just does not have that same emotional connection, mostly because it feels less like a unified monument and more like a series of monument ideas jammed together.

Also they didn't take into account how people would interact with the space and have to constantly chase people away when they use the fountains as wading pools.

The people who served (in any capacity) deserved better.

The Iwo Jima monument is kind of a WWII monument. It's just the Marines, but it's not like the different services have their own Vietnam memorials.

I didn't mind the WWII monument. It was grandiose and maybe gaudy, but we won that war damnit. It takes away some of the green space and clean lines of the mall, but you could say the same thing about the African-American museum and I don't think anyone would protest that's inclusion.

Krispy Wafer fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Aug 15, 2017

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HappyHippo: Nov 19, 2003; Do you have an Air Miles Card?

BlueBlazer posted:

Reposting this.

Also want to add we all know where this poo poo has been festering for years. Can't let it go unaccounted any longer. Spend 15min tonight and go spam those dark corners of the net. It's exhausting. But it's been allowed to go unchallenged because we've tuned out.

You've all seen it . There aren't that many of them. They are just noisy. A regular contingent to shout back for even 15min won't let it stand. Use your wit, your darkness, and experience.

Please be careful with this doxxing, a few innocent people have been "identified" and are getting harassed as a result.

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:22

Hieronymous Alloy: Jan 30, 2009; Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!; Morbid Hound

evilweasel posted:

if you mean this, it is certainly not anything like strong evidence: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/something-fishy-in-south-carolina/

basically it rejects one theory - that people voted for Greene because he sounded black - but not much else

I went back and edited in the link : there was a follow-up 538 did a few days later, basically a benfords law violation was found. Not proof but strongly indicative.

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Gumbel2Gumbel: Apr 28, 2010

Shifty Pony posted:

While that delay is an embarrassing part of the monument, my major complaint is that it just isn't very good. The Korean War Memorial and the Vietnam War Memorial both hit you hard and you need to sit down for a while and reflect on what happened and the people involved. WWII memorial just does not have that same emotional connection, mostly because it feels less like a unified monument and more like a series of monument ideas jammed together.

Also they didn't take into account how people would interact with the space and have to constantly chase people away when they use the fountains as wading pools.

The Vietnam memorial is loving chilling. There are still people breaking down while talking to their dead friends and family. Someone left his friends' still dirty boots with a note about where and when he died.

Also when you see a couple thousand stars on the WWII memorial and you walk up and read the sign that says "each star represents 100 american lives lost in the war" and it completely envelops you.

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:24

boner confessor: Apr 25, 2013; by R. Guyovich

CommieGIR posted:

Kindly gently caress off Boner Confessor. Regardless of the issues with the tweet, the overall message was correct: Civil War monuments increased in number as Civil Rights became more of an issue, and especially Confederate ones.

The message is correct, if miss-cited: White-Washing the Confederacy and the Civil War was a matter of combating Civil Rights and enforcing a mythos around the Civil War and the South.

this is true, but it's also true that historical interest in the war built up as its centennial approached

i dont know why you are so hell bent on defending your simplistic correlation = causation error, i can only assume you are embarassed, and that's ok, but just try to be less of a dick about being called out when you are factually wrong, ok?

Krispy Kareem posted:

And yeah, there's nothing insidious about them. They're just markers. I don't think they even editorialize events.

they very well can as they were written in the mid 1950's, but there's no way to just look at a giant pile of historical markers and make any kind of useful conclusion about them unless you want to squeeze out an extremely pro hot take

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Furnaceface: Oct 21, 2004

Trabisnikof posted:

Because education isn't just math, science* and reading. Education is about indoctrination, good or bad. Texas Republicans famously explicitly opposed teaching critical thinking skills because it might make kids question what their parents tell them.

You can get AP English, AP Chemistry and AP American History in high school and still be indoctrinated in a conservative worldview. I remember my AP Government teacher making us learn about the "Gray Panthers" while only teaching us about the Black Panthers as a racist terrorist group. I remember getting a 0 on a persuasive paper because I argued for socialism and the only justification given was "the paper had no voice." This was in a public school in one of the more liberal metropolitan areas in the country.

So why are we seeing so many middle class white racists act out now? They've always been there, but they've also been taught by their schools, their churches, their families and their community that they deserve so much from the world. They learned that any successes of theirs are because of their goodness as a person and any failures are because a lesser person took it from them. As the idiotic** saying goes, "you're either a shark or a fish" and they all want to be sharks because if they're not sharks than The Other will be the shark instead.

_{*excludes teaching actual biology, physics or any science that might disagree with evangelical beliefs.

**Yes, sharks are fish. See what I said about not teaching actual biology.}

That is all actually kind of depressing. I also just learned that your public school funding comes from property taxes in most states which I imagine only makes things worse as it perpetuates the cycle.

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:26

CroatianAlzheimers: Jun 15, 2009; I can't remember why I'm mad at you...

Dietrich posted:

As an Ohioan- Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland are doing alright.

Also, surprisingly, my hometown of Wooster seems to be going through a little renaissance. They're finally capitalizing on the College of Wooster (my alma mater), and an old classmate of mine is almost singlehandedly remaking the food scene there. Not that I'd ever move back, but at least it's not a total loving wasteland.

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Gumbel2Gumbel: Apr 28, 2010

boner confessor posted:

this is true, but it's also true that historical interest in the war built up as its centennial approached

i dont know why you are so hell bent on defending your simplistic correlation = causation error, i can only assume you are embarassed, and that's ok, but just try to be less of a dick about being called out when you are factually wrong, ok?

No it's not.

Also you're a racist so it's not like you're going to sway us with your dumb fake narrative.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013
Is a lamaphobe -->

too bad it doesn't shoot A HONEST HARD DAY"S WORK then the blacks would run screaming

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# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:27

farraday: Jan 10, 2007; Lower those eyebrows, young man. And the other one.

CubeTheory posted:

I could give you a list of excuses, but it boils down to a combination of health problems, and more importantly, a lack of self-motivation.

Let me be clear, though: this place is as terrible and opioid ravaged as you think it is.

I feel for you, personal inertia is a hell of a thing.

Furnaceface posted:

That is all actually kind of depressing. I also just learned that your public school funding comes from property taxes in most states which I imagine only makes things worse as it perpetuates the cycle.

Oh yes we've hosed school funding up something awf...bad.

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:27

C2C - 2.0: May 14, 2006; Dubs In The Key Of Life; Lipstick Apathy

Gumbel2Gumbel posted:

No it's not.

Also you're a racist so it's not like you're going to sway us with your dumb fake narrative.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013
Is a lamaphobe -->

too bad it doesn't shoot A HONEST HARD DAY"S WORK then the blacks would run screaming

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Yikes!

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:29

KickerOfMice: Jun 7, 2017; [/color]Keep firing, assholes![/color]

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CroatianAlzheimers posted:

As an Ohioan with ties in Youngstown who now lives in Detroit... sigh... yeah it is.

Oooh you like the rough country eh? Some of the photos I've seen the past couple years of the more defunct areas of Detroit look like a scraped out husk, something rotten.

It's so depressing, a city is a living organism, and this one's been gutted and hung out to dry.

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evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

I went back and edited in the link : there was a follow-up 538 did a few days later, basically a benfords law violation was found. Not proof but strongly indicative.

Eh, 90% confidence isn't really that strong when you're fishing for explanations and running a lot of tests, which is what it looks like was happening there. I would chalk that up to unintentional p-hacking: weird result, tons of people looking for explanations and running hypotheses, and so you're going to wind up with a few that have statistical significance at some level through dumb luck. Election tampering is an extraordinary claim and requires much stronger proof than that.

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evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

https://twitter.com/theshrillest/status/897468958994870273

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:31

CuddleCryptid: Jan 11, 2013; Things could be going better

KickerOfMice posted:

Oooh you like the rough country eh? Some of the photos I've seen the past couple years of the more defunct areas of Detroit look like a scraped out husk, something rotten. It's so depressing, a city is a living organism, and this one's been gutted and hung out to dry.

Detroit is not as bad as people say it is. Yes, it is a definite feature of the rust belt, but there have been big moves to revitalize the city, especially near the city center.

You don't walk around the edges of the city at night, but what city does that not apply to?

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:32

socialsecurity: Aug 30, 2003

evilweasel posted:

https://twitter.com/theshrillest/status/897468958994870273

The Confederate flag became associated with racism the moment it was raised in defense of slavery, this cannot be repeated enough.

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:32

Dietrich: Sep 11, 2001

Xombie posted:

And the rest of it is a desolate wasteland from what I've seen in the few times a year I have to leave Columbus.

This is not that uncommon in the post-industrial mid-west. The major population centers are doing just fine, while the factory and industry towns have been all but obliterated. You've got three types of areas - cities, farmland, and the run-down empty husks of places that used to be factory towns.

Detroit is more of the exception than the rule on that front, but it was an single industry city rather than a diversified one, so it's just a factory town writ large.

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:33

withak: Jan 15, 2003; Fun Shoe

farraday posted:

Good news.

https://twitter.com/zcolman/status/897479873538785282

Take that climate change!

IME owners of waterfront infrastructure are already designing for sea level rise and aren't going to stop just because Donald Trump wants them to. They don't want to have to go back and rebuild in a few decades.

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:34

CroatianAlzheimers: Jun 15, 2009; I can't remember why I'm mad at you...

KickerOfMice posted:

Oooh you like the rough country eh? Some of the photos I've seen the past couple years of the more defunct areas of Detroit look like a scraped out husk, something rotten. It's so depressing, a city is a living organism, and this one's been gutted and hung out to dry.

I do, yeah, but it's definitely not all like that. SEMI as a whole has a shitload of problems, and Michiganders are by and large proudly provincial, but there's a lot of rad poo poo in Detroit and I like it here. I'd rather be in Pittsburgh, but them's the breaks.

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:35

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

socialsecurity posted:

The Confederate flag became associated with racism the moment it was raised in defense of slavery, this cannot be repeated enough.

yes but it is also useful to remind people that it continues to be associated with racism because racists keep using it

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:35

boner confessor: Apr 25, 2013; by R. Guyovich

Gumbel2Gumbel posted:

Also you're a racist so it's not like you're going to sway us with your dumb fake narrative.

i'm sorry that you're choosing to be willingly ignorant of history

here are some example historical markers, please tell me which of them lionize the confederacy thank you

https://www.google.com/search?q=google+georgia+historical+marker

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:35

Knifegrab: Jul 30, 2014; Gadzooks! I'm terrified of this little child who is going to stab me with a knife. I must wrest the knife away from his control and therefore gain the upperhand.

^^^ Tell us more about how you feel about black people and southern heritage :allears:

Gumbel2Gumbel posted:

No it's not.

Also you're a racist so it's not like you're going to sway us with your dumb fake narrative.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013
Is a lamaphobe -->

too bad it doesn't shoot A HONEST HARD DAY"S WORK then the blacks would run screaming

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Lol, boner confessor is hopeless. I wonder which protestor he was in the charlotteville videos.

Knifegrab fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Aug 15, 2017

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:35

Faustian Bargain: Apr 12, 2014

socialsecurity posted:

The Confederate flag became associated with racism the moment it was raised in defense of slavery, this cannot be repeated enough.

Yeah but this guy is calling out the dog whistle and it owns.

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:35

C2C - 2.0: May 14, 2006; Dubs In The Key Of Life; Lipstick Apathy

evilweasel posted:

https://twitter.com/theshrillest/status/897468958994870273

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:35

Shifty Pony: Dec 28, 2004; Up ta somethin'

Gumbel2Gumbel posted:

The Vietnam memorial is loving chilling. There are still people breaking down while talking to their dead friends and family. Someone left his friends' still dirty boots with a note about where and when he died.

Also when you see a couple thousand stars on the WWII memorial and you walk up and read the sign that says "each star represents 100 american lives lost in the war" and it completely envelops you.

You see when I saw the Freedom Wall my feeling was that the 100 per star thing made it hard to really grasp how many were lost. What I thought was "why don't they all have a star?"

But yes the Vietnam War Memorial is so drat powerful that it might just be a case of it overshadowing the WWII memorial.

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:36

WeAreTheRomans: Feb 23, 2010; by R. Guyovich

evilweasel posted:

https://twitter.com/theshrillest/status/897468958994870273

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:37

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

how loving bad do you have to be as a republican president to get loving wal-mart to condemn you

https://twitter.com/edatpost/status/897527252463878144

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:38

Invalid Validation: Jan 13, 2008

Real bad obviously.

# ? Aug 15, 2017 19:39

Hieronymous Alloy: Jan 30, 2009; Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!; Morbid Hound

evilweasel posted:

Eh, 90% confidence isn't really that strong when you're fishing for explanations and running a lot of tests, which is what it looks like was happening there. I would chalk that up to unintentional p-hacking: weird result, tons of people looking for explanations and running hypotheses, and so you're going to wind up with a few that have statistical significance at some level through dumb luck. Election tampering is an extraordinary claim and requires much stronger proof than that.

In a court of law? Sure

Here? nah. The extraordinary claim would be that elections *aren't* being hacked, given how extraordinarily easy it is.

I think there's a sort of collective "that can't happen here! The consequences would be horrible! Nobody would do such a thing!" denial about election hacking in America, and it's becoming increasingly less tenable with every passing election cycle.

I admit this is an area where I'm kinda wearing a tinfoil hat but the evidence is there in terms of means, motive, and opportunity, the only question is whether or not a crime actually occurred.

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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:

No it's not.

Also you're a racist so it's not like you're going to sway us with your dumb fake narrative.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013
Is a lamaphobe -->

too bad it doesn't shoot A HONEST HARD DAY"S WORK then the blacks would run screaming

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Oh, oh that's good.

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