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Charlie Bobson
Dec 28, 2013

corn in the bible posted:

I can't handle that kind of pressure, sounds like I should play DQ5 instead

not everyone can handle the heat, i get it

5 and 8 are definitely the highest regarded in the series, I just have a weird affinity for 6 because I like Job Systems, its weird dreamlike atmosphere, and it's the first one I really got into. Every game from 3 on is generally considered to be Good (opinions are probably most mixed on 7 and 6) however and if you want fun and charming fantasy adventures you can't really go wrong with any of them. 3 and 9 don't have fun party members however, with all your characters being player generated

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Marogareh
Feb 23, 2011
9 had actual armor models so you can play dress up and that alone makes it good. I did the tournament around 18 too and lost twice due to bullshit but still won in the end. The boss afterwards was a real wakeup call and my buds died a hell of a lot but still won the first time thanks to Rab using zing.

A Sinister Rap
Oct 19, 2012
I think the phone version of 1 is weirdly charming because of how stripped down it is. You only have one character, you fight enemies one at a time, you can count the amount of places you can go on two hands, and because the grinding is almost gone you can beat it in like 6 hours.

Still, it's probably best enjoyed as a novelty, seeing where the series started and all that.

Thordain
Oct 29, 2011

SNAP INTO A GRIMM JIM!!!
Pillbug
Just got to the Venice town and the Spanish resort town and even though my PS4 struggles with framerate for both it's really impressive how gourgeous they manage to make both of these places. The commitment to the art style really makes outliers like these pop with color.

BrightWing
Apr 27, 2012

Yes, he is quite mad.
Hahaha
playing the curse sound for Sylv walking you up :allears:

Panic! at Nabisco
Jun 6, 2007

it seemed like a good idea at the time
Yeah, you know how I was frustrated at the casino earlier?

Turns out the issue was just trying to play slime quest slots instead of the good old fashioned ones, lol

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Man, the difficulty increase between 1 and a half stars crafting and 2 stars crafting is nuts.

goferchan
Feb 8, 2004

It's 2006. I am taking 276 yeti furs from the goodies hoard.

Panic! at Nabisco posted:

Yeah, you know how I was frustrated at the casino earlier?

Turns out the issue was just trying to play slime quest slots instead of the good old fashioned ones, lol

Poker is good too although I'm not sure what's best statistically. The game allowing you to go again for free when you tie on a double-or-nothing seems really generous.

Brother Entropy
Dec 27, 2009

now that they have all these super pretty assets and models i really want a new dqm

Kild
Apr 24, 2010

Brother Entropy posted:

now that they have all these super pretty assets and models i really want a new dqm

theres a remake on the 3ds.

goferchan
Feb 8, 2004

It's 2006. I am taking 276 yeti furs from the goodies hoard.
monster animations are so good, I'm overlevelled just from fighting every new thing I can so I can watch it dance around and figure out the pun in its name lol

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
I lost my entire money on casino and I still don't even have the first token reward. I want that rabbit armor

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


Calaveron posted:

Ok say what you will about the bleh music but the little jingle that plays when a new party member joins is fantastic

I like the music. Do other people not like the music?

Ojetor
Aug 4, 2010

Return of the Sensei

Poker is really boring but it's almost impossible not to eventually hit a big double or nothing streak and make 30-50k chips. Got 250k to buy out the rewards in like 45 min while watching a stream.

Kiggles
Dec 30, 2007

Harrow posted:

Hm, in retrospect I wonder if I'd have preferred to have normal strength enemies but the "low level enemies don't give XP" option instead of having normal XP but stronger enemies. I wonder if that would've been a more fun balance for me.
I went and rushed through the early bit of the game to test just this... and... the disparity between Hardmode and normal is just really really really wide. Even with the effective level cap, you're going to tear through random encounters, and bosses won't even test your reserves. They MAY push you against the ropes just a tad bit before Zing rolls around, but after that, even eating a stupid crit isn't likely to cause a hitch.

And that's not to say hardmode is that hard, but more that normal mode is just that easy. Now "hard" does seem just a little bit overtuned, but I'd put it nearer to normal dragon quest difficulty, especially given how quick the XP seems to roll in.

If you're not familiar with the series, or aren't interested (It can be an exercise in patience) then sure. The XP limit will at least prevent you from COMPLETELY trivializing encounters and be a pretty reasonable middle ground.

Infinity Gaia posted:

So, the description in game is kinda vague, what does Charm DO exactly? I've never seen an enemy stop attacking due to BEAUTY or whatever it's talking about.

Makes you more charming :v: But seriously, it does just that. The higher the value, the more likely NPCs are to simply lose turns being completely enamored by any given character. SOME skills can also use charm as the modifier. Which? Well, some will be obvious. Others? I actually don't know of any, but in Dragon Quest IX there were performer classes, and a few of their damaging skills would do more damage with higher charm.

SLIME QUEST TIPS
Don't try to "play" Slime Quest. Simply auto the reels and come back later. If you made gains. Grats. If not. Try a different machine. Each 'day' the rates for each machine will vary. You "play" Slime Quest by finding which is predetermined to have better pay outs, and the basically AFK your token rewards.

Kiggles fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Sep 8, 2018

Saigyouji
Aug 26, 2011

Friends 'ave fun together.
Hit my first notable roadblock with Stronger Enemies. The Slayer of the Sands (level ~15 boss) just completely bodied me. Didn't even get a chance to get buffs off properly.

goferchan
Feb 8, 2004

It's 2006. I am taking 276 yeti furs from the goodies hoard.
This is a little past midgame when you finally go up to Angri-La but I'm stuck and drat my grandpa is kicking my rear end really hard. I have that new move from the training that it was suggested to use against him but it did like 14 damage when I tried it -- is there a trick here or do I just need to play defensively? Honestly the only times I haven't had fun in this game is when it pits your hero solo against a boss, you just don't have access to a ton of the support moves that actually make combat fun and interesting

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.
I legit don't get the Slime Quest slot machine other than it can be set to autoplay and so I guess you can let it slowly make coins for you over time if you don't want to take risks on poker or mindlessly tap away at the regular 1 or 10 coin slot machines?

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
This squid boss is insane

Red Mundus
Oct 22, 2010
I finally broke down and muted the in-game music entirely and just played a 90-track playlist of all orchestral DQ music that I found on Youtube looped to play in the background. It works really, really well but sometimes it's a bit jarring to have boss music when doing something mundane. Regardless, the music is so good I don't care.

Here's the playlist for anyone interested. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4dfE_VOmvGtNM-p8siqyF-CaL1nEURYF

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.
After letting the Slime Quest slots play themselves for awhile and get me from 6k to 11k I went back to the 10 token slot machine for awhile and tossed a show on my second monitor. Fast forward 20-30 minutes of tapping A while watching TV and...



:toot:

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
It turns out you can buy pearls in the academy.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Hitting square in the menu out of battle automatically autoheals your party in case anyone doesn't know.

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:
I didn’t give the map enough credit. It logs the sparkling material locations which makes gathering a particular ingredient easy.

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

goferchan posted:

This is a little past midgame when you finally go up to Angri-La but I'm stuck and drat my grandpa is kicking my rear end really hard. I have that new move from the training that it was suggested to use against him but it did like 14 damage when I tried it -- is there a trick here or do I just need to play defensively? Honestly the only times I haven't had fun in this game is when it pits your hero solo against a boss, you just don't have access to a ton of the support moves that actually make combat fun and interesting

Keep using that ability. The enemy's big damage move is telegraphed so defend against it when it comes, and then heal up afterwards.

Wiltsghost
Mar 27, 2011


raditts posted:

I like the music. Do other people not like the music?

For a game this good it deserves better music than what they gave it.

lets hang out
Jan 10, 2015

What are people doing with Sylvando? I know I want Hustle Dance. Are whips alright? I'd like to use them because I'm not with anyone else

Kiggles
Dec 30, 2007
A little more experimenting, and "Reduced EXP from Easy Fights" is functionally irrelevant. Cheat Engine table got updated with Draconian options, so instead of continuing with my other file to test how the Low XP option might function as a sort of middle ground between Normal and Hardmode, I just toggled the options in my current playthrough. I despite all of the grinding I am doing be it for progression, or just curiosity (getting NPC drops), I am STILL gaining XP from current encounters, with only my hero being roadblocked. And I am certainly beyond the curve - what with more recent party members being a couple levels behind.

Anyone debating switching back, there is no functional middle ground. Strongly recommend trying to stick through Hardmode, but time is a thing. If having progression discouraged from time to time really frustrates, just drop the setting. DQXI makes for a pretty good romp since they ditched the random encounter that would otherwise interrupt pacing in carefree exploration.

Marogareh
Feb 23, 2011
I've been playing for a while and yeah it's good but also very forgettable. I can't even remember what the boss music is which is a drat shame considering how good the other games were.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
i really like the hard mode bosses, but normal battles take way too long.

Nep-Nep
May 15, 2004

Just one more thing!
I'm kinda going at a slower pace than I usually do with new DQ games but every session is fun. Just did the part with Slayer of the Sands and that was a fun fight. Erik lived with just 1 HP at one point and that felt really dramatic.

SpaceDrake
Dec 22, 2006

I can't avoid filling a game with awful memes, even if I want to. It's in my bones...!

Wiltsghost posted:

For a game this good it deserves better music than what they gave it.

Marogareh posted:

I've been playing for a while and yeah it's good but also very forgettable. I can't even remember what the boss music is which is a drat shame considering how good the other games were.

It's pretty much this. Even setting aside how much of a shitbird he's turned out to be in other areas (and part of me feeling like I'm hurting others by even remotely giving him any kind of money), the idea that other composers or music teams can produce stuff like the Octopath OST or any of the Xenoblade OSTs or the shitload of hard work Masayoshi Soken does on FFXIV, as examples, and that gets touted as a major feature, and then Sugiyama rolls in with the unremarkable bullshit and recycled tracks in this thing and the idea that somehow it's just as acceptable for a major product to be scored like that as it is the other examples frankly borders on offensive. As someone who's appreciated The Video Game Music for a long time, the tracks themselves are... unobtrusive, I suppose, but they're hugely forgettable, and they in no way measure up to the love the rest of the game has been made with.

(Oh, newer folks might miss this: a lot of the game's tracks are taken from older titles. Much moreso than previous main entries.)

Saigyouji posted:

Hit my first notable roadblock with Stronger Enemies. The Slayer of the Sands (level ~15 boss) just completely bodied me. Didn't even get a chance to get buffs off properly.

Yeah, the Slayer can be rough on Dragonian mode. First, it can be a good idea to get to 16 - Serena learns Midheal at that point, and that can help a lot. Make sure everyone has 2-3 Strong Medicines and don't be afraid to use them. Also get some Sleeping Hibiscuses from gathering spots - keeping it slept is a good idea. On that note, consider taking Erik into Knives, at least for this - with Persecutter, he can hit a Sapped Slayer for 200+ damage. It has upwards of 900 HP, so you want to be able to do real big damage. Speaking of, consider trying to build up to the Hero-Erik-Veronica triple tech - it deals a shitload of damage over multiple turns and is how I ended up killing it. The main trick is keeping Veronica alive long enough.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

lets hang out posted:

What are people doing with Sylvando? I know I want Hustle Dance. Are whips alright? I'd like to use them because I'm not with anyone else

I’ve been using whips and they’re really good for sylv. High strength + group attacks + loads of useful status moves is a winning combination

Plus the most important part: his animations for whips are awesome

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
Found a place that has Liquid Metal Slimes: The Royal Library east of Sniflheim.

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:
There’s an achievement for trying to use either Heal Alls when everyone is already at max health.

Got it by accident. :lol:

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

lets hang out posted:

What are people doing with Sylvando? I know I want Hustle Dance. Are whips alright? I'd like to use them because I'm not with anyone else

I put Sylv on the sidelines since anything he can do, someone else can do better. Maybe it changes later in the game, but his niche seems to be status effects (which I guess Charm effects maybe?), but enemies don't live long enough to use status effects on and bosses (I assume) are immune to them. In most normal fights, you can use Veronica's Boom family of spells or twin boomerang Erik to clear things out quick, with Jade and Hero doing single target damage if necessary. It's pretty disappointing he doesn't get Twin Dragon Lash since that would have given him a damage move. It's the same problem I have with Rab. In a game where you can freely swap dudes in and out during combat, hybrids are inherently weaker.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
Sylvando can reach ridiculous levels of Charm, so I'm guessing he could be effective with the charm based attacks or whatnot.

SpaceDrake
Dec 22, 2006

I can't avoid filling a game with awful memes, even if I want to. It's in my bones...!
For my money, Sylvando is very useful in Dragonian Trial Hard Monster mode. Having Oomph out of the gate alone makes him incredibly useful, and his personal trees are stuffed with useful abilities, and he has access to three weapon types. He's very much Mr. Buffs and Status Effects, and in Hard Monster mode, that's damned useful, especially when pushing into the unknown or fighting bosses.

Ghosts n Gopniks
Nov 2, 2004

Imagine how much more sad and lonely we would be if not for the hard work of lowtax. Here's $12.95 to his aid.
Exp booster vest = helpful even though it caps out at 75 max
Gold booster vest = quite welcome, makes a difference
Item drop booster vest = chests guaranteed, surely there are materials that have to be grinded and cannot be purchased

Gotta be worn by active participants in combat. Perfect for grind sessions but ain't nobody got time for that, gotta hunt my next silver jackpot!

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HPanda
Sep 5, 2008
For Dragon Quests to try:

1 is historic and quick to beat so might as well. If you want to play Dragon Quest Builders, this is a good one to play first.
2 has some real issues but has its fans. It also ties into Dragon Quest Builders 2, I think.
3 is a great game if a bit dated.
4 is great for its characters. People seem to either love or hate the chapter system.
5 is very good but also very depressing.
7 is good if you want a game to last a very long time.
8 is generally very well regarded.

I haven’t played 6, 9, or 10 (the MMO) so can’t comment on those.

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