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th3t00t posted:They cleansed the taint without the TP though. (lol) The taint was cleansed without the TP (yep that is a lol) because the taint was repelled by the evil that is Shador Logoth. Rand learned this because of the never-healing wound and the two powers touching each other. The TP was needed to build the seal because they use it to touch the dark one and then use both halves together to build the seal on top of the buffer. This way the OP doesn't actually touch the Dark One.
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th3t00t posted:They cleansed the taint without the TP though. (lol)
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Nov 3, 2021 20:26
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judkins must know the crime he has committed, depriving the masses of the taint
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Nov 3, 2021 20:28
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Let’s start a Twitter petition. #bringbackthetaint
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th3t00t posted:They cleansed the taint without the TP though. (lol) Different circumstances. The DO was able to touch saidin and taint it because the bore was unsealed. Once it was sealed, the DO cannot directly touch reality anymore.
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Mage_Boy posted:The taint was cleansed without the TP (yep that is a lol) because the taint was repelled by the evil that is Shador Logoth. Rand learned this because of the never-healing wound and the two powers touching each other. The TP was needed to build the seal because they use it to touch the dark one and then use both halves together to build the seal on top of the buffer. This way the OP doesn't actually touch the Dark One. From the wiki: "Rand's strategy was to create a funnel of saidar from the Source of saidin to Shadar Logoth, and when he guided saidar to that goal, it created something he had not directly intended. Rather than a tunnel as he thought would appear, saidar was actually just an intricate, flowery-looking shape which was a tunnel of infinite and zero distance only relative to the Source and Shadar Logoth; from any other vantage point, it looked nothing like a conduit. Saidin flowed very easily into the conduit, and the taint began to slide off of saidin into Shadar Logoth. Rand's theory was, that after channeling enough of saidin into the conduit, the taint would be drawn in its entirety towards a similar, yet polar opposite sort of taint; the evil residue of Shadar Logoth. After that, he would merely need to keep a steady flow of saidin going through the conduit, and the taint would automatically be pulled into Shadar Logoth so long as he kept saidin touched directly to the evil of the city. Fortunately, the plan worked exactly as predicted."
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SerSpook posted:judkins must know the crime he has committed, depriving the masses of the taint maybe some stiffs at amazon said get rid of the taint
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Nov 3, 2021 21:15
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Anias posted:Then the fear is that the dragon will break saidar like they broke saidin, and every aes sedai will go mad. Compelling. i like this explanation. or, after i saw that clip i wondered if the show could stretch out the reveal by having moiraine want to believe eg or nyn are the dragon for a bit since it would make things easier
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Nov 3, 2021 21:39
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overall i feel like it's an easy way for them to change it to make it more welcoming to a variety of viewers while also taking advantage of the medium to make it more of an actual mystery for first time people if you're selling the series as being pretty forward with women compared to others it's an easy slam dunk to at least float the idea that the Super Special Chosen One might be a woman as well even if they're not changing anything about the actual events in response to it
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Nov 3, 2021 21:46
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It doesn't matter if it would have worked, the pattern would never have allowed it to happen because they you don't have the circumstances for Rand's birth, the last battle, etc.
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I like that they've added women to the list of potentially being the dragon reborn. Good change. Kind of ties in with a lot of the theories about Nakomi. "Amaresu, Champion of the Light This theory expands on the Hero of the Horn theory, specifically speculating that she is an incarnation of Amaresu, who was stated by Robert Jordan to be the female champion of the Light when the Pattern needs a woman instead of a man (the Dragon) as its primary savior.[3] Nakomi could be an incarnation of Amaresu with a link to the Aiel in a specific Age. Her appearance at Tarmon Gai'don thus represents the cosmology of the world which features both male and female champions of the Light, with Nakomi being the female champion of Light seeing to the end of the Third Age."
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Anias posted:Then the fear is that the dragon will break saidar like they broke saidin, and every aes sedai will go mad. Compelling. This fear doesn't work at all, imo. The thing about the madness is that the Dragon Reborn, the prophesied savior of the world, is a madman. A ridiculously powerful madman who cannot and must not be restrained because to do so would doom the world. And so you just have to let it ride, trusting that he'll be able to cling to what's left of his sanity long enough to get the job done and hoping that you won't be collateral damage if he slips. That's an entirely different vibe than "Well the Chosen One is perfectly fine but if we lose this one the other half of the wizards will go insane afterwards."
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Nov 3, 2021 22:06
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Johnny Joestar posted:if you're selling the series as being pretty forward with women compared to others it's an easy slam dunk to at least float the idea that the Super Special Chosen One might be a woman as well  they already got women dominating the world from vagina islandi feel like thats plenty of girl power and they should leave rand canon alone
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Nov 3, 2021 22:12
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Hexel posted:
Rand's going to be the Dragon Reborn, don't get your panties in a twist over it. The only thing they're doing is trying to make it a mystery to new viewers who it might be so that when they reveal it to be Rand there's a chance people are surprised by it, unlike us book readers where it was obvious from like chapter 6 of Eye of the World who the Dragon Reborn was going to be.
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Khizan posted:This fear doesn't work at all, imo. I disagree. The dragon’s fang is in the public consciousness as a marker of evil. People who know the prophecy of the Dragon know it’s all about how the Dragon will gently caress everything up. How that happens isn’t as important to people - the Dragon’s coming is tied directly with misery and death and that’s enough to get people to worry.
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Nov 3, 2021 22:40
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Most people in the world of Randland barely know anything about channeling or the one power at all, but they know "the dragon means poo poo is hosed"
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Hexel posted:
they removed the taint already, can we really trust them to keep the vagina island
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Khizan posted:That's an entirely different vibe than "Well the Chosen One is perfectly fine but if we lose this one the other half of the wizards will go insane afterwards." if i learned that an immensely powerful wizard who went completely insane and then turned himself into a volcano had been reborn i dont think the gender of the body he was born into would matter to me like we all think its obvious that the dragon reborn would have his own memories/thoughts and might or might not go insane AGAIN, but its way more intuitive that this insane guy is just back in a new body but still ready to go buckwild no matter what gender it is
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while i doubt it'll matter a ton in practicality beyond this initial mystery for newcomers, it's still nice that souls don't have a One True Gender anymore
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ChubbyChecker posted:they removed the taint already, can we really trust them to keep the vagina island If the tower they showed in one of the first trailers is right, then they put a cock and balls right in the middle of Tar Valon. So who knows?
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Nov 3, 2021 23:28
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Nov 3, 2021 23:30
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Most of the Prophecies of the Dragon are pretty explicit in calling the Dragon Reborn a man. I wonder if they will replace all the instances of "he/him/etc" with they. Or simply skip a lot of them, since they mostly don't appear in natural conversations, but as book enders or starters.
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:Saidin was gooched because it was the half of the power used, that's it. If women were there than saidar would also have been tweenised. Yeah, the whole world was pretty close to getting chadded. Thankfully, the pattern wouldn't accept that much grundle, so Rand had a chance to set things right.
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aparmenideanmonad posted:Yeah, the whole world was pretty close to getting chadded. Thankfully, the pattern wouldn't accept that much grundle, so Rand had a chance to set things right.
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man, woman, whatever, but if we lose that amazing line 'all that was will burn in the fire of his (or her) eyes' i will be momentarily annoyed and maybe even post about it
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Nov 3, 2021 23:36
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:man, woman, whatever, but if we lose that amazing line 'all that was will burn in the fire of his (or her) eyes' i will be momentarily annoyed and maybe even post about it yeah they could just use the masculine and do a thing where a character says that in the old tongue it could really be either gender, or that it was just assumed because LTT was a man, or whatever hand-wave is necessary
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Torrannor posted:Most of the Prophecies of the Dragon are pretty explicit in calling the Dragon Reborn a man. I wonder if they will replace all the instances of "he/him/etc" with they. Or simply skip a lot of them, since they mostly don't appear in natural conversations, but as book enders or starters. They're going to use xi / xir pronouns, and also begin every prophecy with an indigenous land acknowledgement.
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i guess what i'm saying is it matters more to me whether it's a compelling, well-acted story than the specific gender of any given character 
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:i guess what i'm saying is it matters more to me whether it's a compelling, well-acted story than the specific gender of any given character Giving way too much of a poo poo about gender is kind of a core aspect of WoT Probably it's biggest problem.
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if i didnt know poo poo about WoT and I looked at Rand the way they are presenting him, I'd just think "He's The Archer. That's The Archer Man." th3t00t posted:They cleansed the taint without the TP though. (lol) still laughing at this after scrolling through. it's the simple things
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Brolander posted:if i didnt know poo poo about WoT and I looked at Rand the way they are presenting him, I'd just think "He's The Archer. That's The Archer Man." i mean that's probably (definitely) intentional, and it's nice that they seem to be making an effort to give SOME mystery to who dragon is
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:i mean that's probably (definitely) intentional, and it's nice that they seem to be making an effort to give SOME mystery to who dragon is I'm not entirely sure why they are. It's not like it was ever a mystery in the books. TV needs more of a hook? From the episode titles it looks like it will be a mystery for all of 3 episodes.
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Nov 3, 2021 23:55
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How are u posted:I'm not entirely sure why they are. It's not like it was ever a mystery in the books. TV needs more of a hook? From the episode titles it looks like it will be a mystery for all of 3 episodes. trying to think of a big budget fantasy series with a dramatic twist midway through the first season to hook everyone…
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Rand could easily make it half the season as just Egwene’s dopey boyfriend from their small town who is fated to either sacrifice himself for her or be heartbroken and turn evil once she realizes there’s more to life than farming and inn keeping.
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Democratic Pirate posted:Rand could easily make it half the season as just Egwene’s dopey boyfriend from their small town who is fated to either sacrifice himself for her or be heartbroken and turn evil once she realizes there’s more to life than farming and inn keeping. randwyn
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Democratic Pirate posted:Rand could easily make it half the season as just Egwene’s dopey boyfriend from their small town who is fated to either sacrifice himself for her or be heartbroken and turn evil once she realizes there’s more to life than farming and inn keeping. They could definitely hide some of his early fate-related inner demons and such under the guise of "he sad Egwene outgrew him"
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How are u posted:I'm not entirely sure why they are. It's not like it was ever a mystery in the books. TV needs more of a hook? From the episode titles it looks like it will be a mystery for all of 3 episodes. I suggested that earlier, it was pointed out that the Dragon Reborn referenced in the title of episode 3 is probably Logain (i.e. it's the lore episode establishing who/what the Dragon is, with Logain as the lens character). While it's possible that they are making it a secret in all of the leadoff marketing only to blow it literally on day 1, there's no reason to assume that it's going to be revealed in episode 3 just because of the name.
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Well I hope not, the longer they draw it out the sillier it is going to be.
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How are u posted:Well I hope not, the longer they draw it out the sillier it is going to be. I'm hoping they can make it to the season finale, there's no way they can keep it a secret beyond that.
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Democratic Pirate posted:Rand could easily make it half the season as just Egwene’s dopey boyfriend from their small town who is fated to either sacrifice himself for her or be heartbroken and turn evil once she realizes there’s more to life than farming and inn keeping. You do that and you're going to get people wondering why the series is "suddenly about this dork now".
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