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At my last job, I got a flyer for an art contest by an org called Negative Population Growth. The theme was "Too Many People!" I was disgusted and threw it in the trash. So I looked them up, and the org was founded in 1971 by a guy named Donald Mann. He ran the org until he died in 2021, at the age of 99, with several children. Whaddaya know, the org is mainly concerned with advocating against immigration.
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Feldegast42 posted:Don't forget the god emperor of the federation, stacey abrams Excuse me, but Stacy Abrams was the God Empress of Earth, not the whole Federation. And she existed for two minutes to do 2 things: 1) give Michael Burnham a gold medal and celebratory high five for winning at Space forever, and 2) piss off Ted Cruz. Then she disappeared and was never seen or heard from again. Mission Accomplished
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It's funny how TNG makes Star Fleet feel so incredibly human. There's not really a sense of "you're with a large group of different people" when say people kick off at Worf for being with humans. DS9 does it at times too. It's an amalgamation of tonnes of species, what are you doing guys!
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Taear posted:what are you doing guys! Staying in budget.
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I imagine some species tend to group together. There was that ship with a vulcan crew, but that was captained by a racist. I heard there's a ship full of horta as well, that probably came from a novel. It's probably a lot easier to serve with people with similar physical and dietary requirements and cultural norms. I'd hate to be roommates with that species that visited DS9 one time and the atmosphere in their quarters was so toxic it dissolved the carpet. It would be nice to see some of those ships occasionally, especially if they're not captained by Captain Pointy Earred Racist.
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Lower bunking in an economy triple with a Medusan and one of those mud bath aliens
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How do Medusans get around most of the time? Like, it seems like they're good at navigation but Zero on PRO seems to need their exosuit thing not just to protect others from looking at them directly, but also to just, like, do stuff that involves physical interaction?
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counterfeitsaint posted:I imagine some species tend to group together. There was that ship with a vulcan crew, but that was captained by a racist. I heard there's a ship full of horta as well, that probably came from a novel. It's probably a lot easier to serve with people with similar physical and dietary requirements and cultural norms. I'd hate to be roommates with that species that visited DS9 one time and the atmosphere in their quarters was so toxic it dissolved the carpet. It would be nice to see some of those ships occasionally, especially if they're not captained by Captain Pointy Earred Racist. Unfortunately budget is a thing. Just look at how many non-humans were on the Cerritos on Lower Decks.
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Gaz-L posted:How do Medusans get around most of the time? Like, it seems like they're good at navigation but Zero on PRO seems to need their exosuit thing not just to protect others from looking at them directly, but also to just, like, do stuff that involves physical interaction? I don't know that they normally do much interacting with solid physical matter. Medusan starships were deliberately designed to look very Federation-ish on the idea that the Federation actually built them for them.
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Shockingly, Star Trek is a show that was made by humans in the current era, not a historical document sent 300 years in to the past. Crazy, I know, but its true!
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Hunter Noventa posted:Unfortunately budget is a thing. Just look at how many non-humans were on the Cerritos on Lower Decks. Boy, you’d better not let the Thermians hear you talk like that.
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Hunter Noventa posted:Unfortunately budget is a thing. Just look at how many non-humans were on the Cerritos on Lower Decks. But look at how many craft supplies you can get for 20 dollars. Enough construction paper, glue, pompoms, paper plates. and pipe cleaners to make as many aliens as they can imagine. There is no law saying that Trek aliens need really convincing expensive prosthetics that take hours to apply. By now we've all seen so much cgi and prosthetics we get the picture, we can visualize how a paper mask might look as a fancy one. People's Joker really hammered in how overkill most visual effects are.
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How do we know all those 'humans' aren't El-Aurians, Argelians, Ligonians, Space-Romans, or any of the other dozens of species that look exactly like Earthers?
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I watched The High Ground last night and I have mixed feelings on it. The show obviously wanted to grapple with some very heavy political realities and by having Data state outright that there was a good case for "terrorism" when all other attempts at diplomacy and negotiation had failed, it at least showed they were willing to admit that poo poo is more complicated than "terrorists bad, police good". At the same time though, the terrorists just aren't very smart. They refuse to listen to Crusher about how the Federation operates, they try to blow up the Enterprise, and they kidnap Picard rather than trusting that Starfleet is willing to negotiate. The episode of course ends with the state winning, but it does admit that peace may not actually be achievable. It felt like it was too willing to give legitimacy to state oppression without fully exploring why the oppressed would resort to violence. I'll give it credit for having as much nuance as it did, but it still feels like it was written by the IDF. "Yeah, they want to be martyred, but it's easier to kill them than to keep them alive." How about gently caress you?
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Khanstant posted:But look at how many craft supplies you can get for 20 dollars. Enough construction paper, glue, pompoms, paper plates. and pipe cleaners to make as many aliens as they can imagine. There is no law saying that Trek aliens need really convincing expensive prosthetics that take hours to apply. By now we've all seen so much cgi and prosthetics we get the picture, we can visualize how a paper mask might look as a fancy one. Actually I think you'll find that more veins, bumps, tendrils, scales, ridges and textures is always better. MORE complexity, MORE CGI, MORE budget, always MORE
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I've always said that a regular recurring background alien they should have had on the ship is a plant strapped on top of a remote control car with a uniform-coloured ribbon tied to it.
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All background Starfleet officers must be Horta now. Yes, just recreate the living carpet from the TOS episode and put that in HD
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Khanstant posted:People's Joker really hammered in how overkill most visual effects are. Is "The People's Joker" what we're calling the first Joker movie now, or the second one? The second one isn't out for a few more months right? Either way it sounds pretentious as gently caress and therefore quite fitting.
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counterfeitsaint posted:Is "The People's Joker" what we're calling the first Joker movie now, or the second one? The second one isn't out for a few more months right? Either way it sounds pretentious as gently caress and therefore quite fitting. it's neither, it's an unauthorized indie parody
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MikeJF posted:I've always said that a regular recurring background alien they should have had on the ship is a plant strapped on top of a remote control car with a uniform-coloured ribbon tied to it. Lt. Phil Chloro, botanic ops
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One of the unusual things about DS9 was how humans were a minority on the station and by the end of the show there was only one regular baseline human in the entire cast. Which that's also something DS9's contemporary show Babylon 5 had going on in that B5 had a fair amount of dedication to really populating the station with a lot of extras outfitted in prosthetics and alien garb. DaveWoo posted:And now the pendulum's swung the other way and you've got people freaking out over declining birth rates. There are people in history who worried about that, but it's more unusual. Some guy in the 40s was giving out medals to women who had four or more kids. There was also the Great Stork Derby of 1926, but that was kind of just a rich guy being a goof.
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You've REALLY misunderstood me here. I don't mean "why aren't there more aliens on the ship in TNG". I know why. What I mean is why is it that whenever anyone speaks about the Federation in TNG they're explicitly talking about humans? They give so little lip service to the idea that it's a federation and not just "Humans, also some other guys are around I guess"
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It's both that it's a human-built and dominated Starfleet, and that some writers were more on board than others. Imo it's also that they're wearing ideological blinders. Ethnic imperialists can't really put themselves in federation shoes and can only understand it as a method of human domination because that's what they would do.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:It's both that it's a human-built and dominated Starfleet, and that some writers were more on board than others. Quark and Garak, talking about root beer.
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counterfeitsaint posted:Is "The People's Joker" what we're calling the first Joker movie now, or the second one? The second one isn't out for a few more months right? Either way it sounds pretentious as gently caress and therefore quite fitting. No I mean the movie called The People's Joker. They actually played a trailer for either the upcoming joker movie or previous and it looked more like a parody movie than People's Joker did. Absolute garbage for suckers no idea who would be enticed to watch it. Meanwhile People's Jokers is one of the most interesting movies I'd ever seen. Just isn't anything else like it. Neat story masked under a better use of Batman IP than anything Batman has done with it in decades. I brought it up because the visual effects were incredibly effective, literally more effective than the typical generic. superhero chi scene you just glaze over. Some people in costume, others a paper cutout, a cartoon, a 3d animation, claymation, all in the same scenes and in a way that totally sells it. It wouldn't have looked any good if they had underpaid and overworked a professional team of 3d artists like a marvel.
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W.T. Fits posted:Quark and Garak, talking about root beer. Bashir, his eyes on Dax
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Soul Dentist posted:Bashir, his eyes on Dax Garak, his eyes on Bashir.
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Quark, his eyes on the latinum
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I do wish they'd done more really out-there full-body alien designs in the 90's even if the results looked cheesy, like the 60's show wasn't afraid to do with things like the Gorn, Horta, Mugato, etc. I think the only thing close we got in TNG or DS9 was those fish people who didn't move because they were hibernating or whatever. It wasn't until they got CGI they started doing full-body aliens again like 8472 and Tholians even though the early CGI was still pretty bad. I don't think an awkward costume would have been that much more out-of-place than that early CGI. I guess Morn is kind of a midpoint, not a forehead alien but still humanoid. We should have had more Morns.
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The Federation is no more than a “Homo sapiens-only” club.
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There’s a couple more goof rear end alien designs in TNG. “The Dauphin” has a couple. And there’s the weird alien kid (forget the episode name) who’s basically just a gray. Also I couldn’t tell what the hell I was looking at until the HD era, but the Sheliak design from “Ensigns of Command” is kind of awesome skasion fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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Yeah, I would say that TNG does it nearly as much as TOS did. It's still a big budget thing, coming up with a full body suit for a single episode. It also takes time as well. That's why they also reused stuff. One of the monsters in Worf's holodeck fight program is Skeletor from "Masters of the Universe."
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Someone post Lal's andorian form option  TNG did a lot of stuff well but creature costumes were rarely very good
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counterfeitsaint posted:I heard there's a ship full of horta as well, that probably came from a novel. Pretty sure that's one of Diane Duane's, there's a Horta serving on Kirk's Enterprise and the Horta ship is mentioned in passing (been close to 30 years since I read it so if I'm off I apologize)
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Apollodorus posted:The Federation is no more than a “Homo sapiens-only” club.
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no it says no homos, we're allowed to have one
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loving woke Star Trek. What happened to all the HETERO sapiens? 
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No Dignity posted:no it says no homos, we're allowed to have one Neanderthal erasure again.
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nine-gear crow posted:loving woke Star Trek. What happened to all the HETERO sapiens?
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Neanderthal erasure again. The Vulcan Science Academy has determined that chimps are part of the Homo
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