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oldpainless posted:Yeah, you can see him plainly yelling at Hebner. Skip ahead to about 3:30. I know it's been said before but God I miss Jim Ross.
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# ? Sep 14, 2010 18:09 |
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MassRayPer posted:Davey Richards is a good name only because the first name "Davey" is such an unassuming, completely unbadass name. It just contrasts really well with his persona. Thats what gets me though. His real name is Wesley. He actually picked a name more masculine than his birth name and still ended up with Davey.
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# ? Sep 14, 2010 18:11 |
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MassRayPer posted:The Awesome/Tanaka matches are short and constant action. They are sprints. I thought I dispelled this myth. It isn't even remotely true they sell the same in the beginning as they do 15 minutes into the match. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2314650&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=43#post331329710 Super Ninja Fish posted:Well, for one thing, in the beginning the big moves are all things like planchas and moonsaults to the outside. They would be more temporarily stunned and hurting from those moves than they would be drained. The fact that one or both of them is back up on their feet in 20 seconds shows that. 20 seconds is not a long amount of time. It would look absurd if they sell those moves for any less time than that. That would totally ruin the match. One of the main reasons that these are some of my favorite matches is I find they're among the easiest to suspend disbelief with. It looks like they're really trying to kill each other and unlike the majority of the guys in the indies, any Tanaka vs Awesome, and even many of the WCW cruiserweights, they do sell. El Dude posted:This. They did pretty much one thing well: convince you it was an epic match when it actually wasn't. It's like they remembered a lot of mid-90s AJPW and decided to incorporate that match style without knowing how to actually work that match style. The matches tell no real story other than "these two guys did a lot of moves." The story is pretty obvious. Before the match, everyone thought it was going to be an easy win for RVD. Yet during the match, Lynn proves to always be one step ahead of RVD. He counters all of RVD's major moves and outsmarts RVD at nearly every opportunity. It's to the point where at the end, the fans have switched sides and actualy start to root for Lynn, calling him the name "New F'N Show". That never ever happened in a RVD match. The referee was even about to give the title to Lynn at the tie because Lynn had outperformed RVD. No one could have seen that coming at the start. The story of the match was what was responsible for turning Lynn into a major star in ECW.
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# ? Sep 14, 2010 18:31 |
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My biggest problem with Lynn vs. RVD matches were that, for the super indestructible face, RVD always came off looking like a bitch. The match almost always ended with Alfonso tossing in the steel chair for RVD to use, or more directly interfering. When I watched the matches originally I could never understand why RVD was so over, I absolutely loathed him. To me, Jerry Lynn looked like a total bad-rear end who this little flexible pussy had to get help everytime to beat.
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# ? Sep 14, 2010 19:10 |
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When you start out with big moves and spots that you need to sell an eternity for you completely destroy the pacing of the match and the impact of moves that come later. That is the complete lack of logic. What happens in the opening of the match should not have the same weight as what comes later. They start the match off with chain wrestling, then start doing high spots. Then some spots and RVD goes to the floor to stall for the third time in the match, FIVE MINUTES IN. Then seconds after getting back into the ring they do a big spot to the outside and there's another down period. Then Lynn hits his big twisting cross into the crowd and we get a 20 second break in action, after which RVD just takes over on offense and stalls some more. Then there is ANOTHER giant bump at the 6:30 mark where RVD takes a bump from the top to the floor then he immediately takes over again an RVD stalls AGAIN after a move that sends Lynn into the crowd. Then he does a double axe handle into the crowd and stalls AGAIN. Half of the first 8 minutes of the match with one guy laying on the ground, and much of that time is spent with RVD stalling. It is the stupidest pacing of a match I have ever seen since it is just STUFF, then REST, then STUFF, then rest, rather than actually trying to have a match. A match is supposed to build, not happen in random spurts like this match does with TWO GIANT BUMPS FROM THE RING TO THE FLOOR IN THE OPENING MINUTES WHERE THE GUY TAKING THE BUMP THEN JUST JUMPS BACK ON OFFENSE.
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# ? Sep 14, 2010 19:23 |
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Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:Kidman vs. Malenko at Souled Out 2000 when Malenko forgot the loving rules of the match(To be fair, it was a stupid gimmick). God, what was wrong with WCW? Kidman and Malenko are two guys who you can just grab and say "You've got 15 minutes. Go out there and have a good match." You know they'll deliver. Part of the reason for WCW's success in the glory days was they had an undercard filled with the young, athletic guys putting on awesome matches every single night. When I was in elementary school watching WCW, my favorite guys after DDP were Malenko and Benoit. My dad said he'd rather watch the cruiserweights, who were actually athletic, than the boring main events. Malenko got and kept himself relatively over by being a great wrestler, nothing more. Why would you take two cruiserweights and put them in a stupid loving match where they can't leave the ring?
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# ? Sep 14, 2010 20:58 |
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AKMoose posted:God, what was wrong with WCW?
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# ? Sep 14, 2010 21:19 |
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El Axo Grande posted:I hear a lot of people bitching about the names for rookies in NXT, but has anyone sat down and seen how bad some of the ROH names are? No. All three sound like NASCAR drivers.
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# ? Sep 14, 2010 21:55 |
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El Axo Grande posted:I hear a lot of people bitching about the names for rookies in NXT, but has anyone sat down and seen how bad some of the ROH names are? You can't make fun of Eddie Edwards for having a terrible ring name. It is sad that his real name is Edward Edwards.
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# ? Sep 14, 2010 22:21 |
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KungFu Grip posted:You can't make fun of Eddie Edwards for having a terrible ring name. Sad or child abuse.
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# ? Sep 14, 2010 22:26 |
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KungFu Grip posted:You can't make fun of Eddie Edwards for having a terrible ring name. His mother was a big Twilight fan. All Twilight fans are big. Just like Matt Hardy fans.
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# ? Sep 14, 2010 22:37 |
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KungFu Grip posted:You can't make fun of Eddie Edwards for having a terrible ring name. Holy poo poo I know a guy used to live down the street with that same name.
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# ? Sep 14, 2010 22:41 |
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AKMoose posted:God, what was wrong with WCW? Kidman and Malenko are two guys who you can just grab and say "You've got 15 minutes. Go out there and have a good match." You know they'll deliver. Part of the reason for WCW's success in the glory days was they had an undercard filled with the young, athletic guys putting on awesome matches every single night. When I was in elementary school watching WCW, my favorite guys after DDP were Malenko and Benoit. My dad said he'd rather watch the cruiserweights, who were actually athletic, than the boring main events. Malenko got and kept himself relatively over by being a great wrestler, nothing more. Why would you take two cruiserweights and put them in a stupid loving match where they can't leave the ring? Well, that match was supposed to be Jarrett vs. Benoit as part of a series of 3 matches, but Benoit injured Jarrett on Nitro that week, then they moved Benoit into the main event against Sid since Bret Hart had a concussion. So they just put Kidman in 3 matches for a very good reason.
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# ? Sep 15, 2010 00:55 |
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Burrito posted:His mother was a big Twilight fan. Is there a difference between Matt fans and Jeff fans? I'd think the Matt fans must be bigger messes.
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# ? Sep 15, 2010 02:41 |
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WeaselWeaz posted:Is there a difference between Matt fans and Jeff fans? I'd think the Matt fans must be bigger messes. Some have Mattitude, and some are Jeffing Retarded.
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# ? Sep 15, 2010 02:53 |
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redscare posted:No. All three sound like NASCAR drivers. The sad part is how right you are
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# ? Sep 15, 2010 03:19 |
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WeaselWeaz posted:Is there a difference between Matt fans and Jeff fans? I'd think the Matt fans must be bigger messes. Matt fans are like the groupies who gently caress the bassist because they think it'll help them get closer to the lead singer.
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# ? Sep 15, 2010 05:10 |
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So he is like a less talented David Crosby in Crosby, Still, Nash, and Young?
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# ? Sep 15, 2010 05:46 |
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Who was the original heel commentator?
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# ? Sep 15, 2010 13:22 |
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redscare posted:No. All three sound like NASCAR drivers. I thought Jimmy Jacobs was a NASCAR driver. Ninja edit: The pic on Jacobs wiki looks an awful lot like a skinny Matt Hardy.
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# ? Sep 15, 2010 17:45 |
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Triple-Kan posted:Who was the original heel commentator? Jesse Ventura, maybe? I didnt watch the territories or WCW growing up.
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# ? Sep 15, 2010 18:25 |
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Endorph posted:Vince Russo. That was actually Kevin Sullivan. Benoit hated him and that's what led to him, Eddie, Malenko, and Saturn leaving. I think Shane Douglas and Konnan wanted to go too but they realized they had burned their bridge with Vince.
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# ? Sep 15, 2010 19:21 |
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oldpainless posted:Jesse Ventura, maybe? Weird, Meltzer posted a brief run down of next week's Hall of Fame issue and: Dave Meltzer posted:5) Jesse Ventura, the former governor of Minnesota. Ventura is being considered for his work as an announcer, not a wrestler, although he did headline as a wrestler. Ventura was not the first wrestler or first heel to be a color commentator, but he was the one who made the role of the heel in the booth into something that nearly every promotion tried to copy. I have no idea who the first would be, but it might be Ernie Roth. He was an announcer but I'm not sure if it was before or after he adopted his heel persona. I have a feeling he was always a heel, but I'm not totally sure. If it was as Abdullah Farouk it would have to be as a heel.
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# ? Sep 15, 2010 23:01 |
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KungFu Grip posted:You can't make fun of Eddie Edwards for having a terrible ring name. When I was growing up, there was a kid who lived down the street from me, and his name was Mathew Mathew.
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# ? Sep 15, 2010 23:44 |
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Timby posted:When I was growing up, there was a kid who lived down the street from me, and his name was Mathew Mathew. To further this derail I knew a kid growing up that's name was Jason Street that lived on Jason Street.
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# ? Sep 15, 2010 23:47 |
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I know a guy named Rob Erts
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# ? Sep 16, 2010 02:03 |
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I know a guy named Dick Butt, and he's from a town called Dildo.
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# ? Sep 16, 2010 02:27 |
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Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:I know a guy named Dick Butt, and he's from a town called Dildo. Dildo, Newfoundland? I had a Canadian Studies professor named Doctor Nurse.
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# ? Sep 16, 2010 02:52 |
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I know two different Robert Roberts
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# ? Sep 16, 2010 02:56 |
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Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:I know a guy named Dick Butt, and he's from a town called Dildo. Better name than "Magic Ceiling Fan". Edit: There was allegedly a mixup where someone named "Ken Kennedy" won a MITB briefcase.
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# ? Sep 16, 2010 02:57 |
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Perry Normal posted:Dildo, Newfoundland? Did you ever go "Helloooooooooooooooooooooo Nurse" to him?
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# ? Sep 16, 2010 22:09 |
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So wrestler's and drugs... Thinking about wrestling as a career, I actually think it's possible to party hard regularly and not be a total flake to the industry and still be a reliable worker purely with self control, are there any examples of wrestlers who are open about recreational drug use and have been able to not let it effect their performance?
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# ? Sep 17, 2010 03:19 |
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Andre the Giant?
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# ? Sep 17, 2010 03:24 |
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Sue Denim posted:So wrestler's and drugs... RVD Kendrick Well, relatively.
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# ? Sep 17, 2010 03:36 |
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Sue Denim posted:So wrestler's and drugs... Ric Flair never wrestled looking like he had a hangover.
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# ? Sep 17, 2010 03:49 |
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PsiKoTicK posted:Did you ever go "Helloooooooooooooooooooooo Nurse" to him? He asked me not to.
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# ? Sep 17, 2010 04:37 |
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Sue Denim posted:So wrestler's and drugs... It's called being a functional alcoholic, it happens in every business.
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# ? Sep 17, 2010 14:00 |
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Sue Denim posted:So wrestler's and drugs... In an interview, Joey Mercury talked about being completely messed up most of the time, but able to pull it together for the fifteen/twenty minutes he was performing.
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# ? Sep 17, 2010 14:38 |
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Road Dogg said his last match in WWE, he was messed up and went out and did the match, came backstage and got fired. But looking at the match, he said he couldn't tell he was messed up. So he was able to work for 15 minutes and went right back to being zoned soon as the match was done.
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# ? Sep 17, 2010 14:45 |
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Getting thrown around by a 250 pound guy is bad enough, I can't imagine trusting a drunk or hungover 250 pound guy not to drop me on my head.
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# ? Sep 17, 2010 15:59 |