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Mycroft Holmes posted:this whole war does not put a good light on the marines. they probably won't continue to exist as an independent branch after the war. they tried that in real life but the corps had good pr people. Clearly they need their own carrier to provide close support, the navy cannot be trusted to do it! They could build some multi-role aircraft on small carriers...nah, why would you do that, clearly insane.
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Comstar posted:Clearly they need their own carrier to provide close support, the navy cannot be trusted to do it! They could build some multi-role aircraft on small carriers...nah, why would you do that, clearly insane. Sounds like you're referring to something?
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RA Rx posted:Sounds like you're referring to something? The marines have their own navy and air force, including multi-role aircraft on small carriers.
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RA Rx posted:Sounds like you're referring to something? e:f;b
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RA Rx posted:Sounds like you're referring to something? The USMC runs its own mini-navy, including mini-carriers like the Tarawa. Because these ships aren't full deck carriers, they can only really run VTOL aircraft like the Harrier. This requirement kinda put a damper on the whole F-35 design because getting a plane to do everything else it was supposed to AND be a VTOL capable aircraft was what made it such a mission creep disaster
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The Navy's Army's Air Force is a rich source of humor and juicy pork-barrel contracts.
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22 December 1943 British MTBs sink the German escort ship Niobe in the Adriatic. Niobe was originally commissioned into the Imperial German Navy in 1900 and served as a coast defense ship in World War I. After the war, she was one of the few ships permitted the Reichsmarine by Versailles. In 1925, she was sold to Yugoslavia and renamed Dalmacija, which she remained until captured by the Italians in 1941 and renamed Cattaro. When Italy surrendered 1943, the Germans reclaimed her and restored her original name. RAF aircraft sink the German minelayer Drache in the Aegean. Drache had originally been constructed for Yugoslavia in 1930 as the seaplane tender Zmaj, was converted to a minelayer in 1937, and fell into German hands in 1941.
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   Right mate, you can bugger in the direction of off.  The same goes for you too!   You too can shove it where the sun shineth not!   They have a + Leadership, they must have changed commanders – not that it will help with the number of destroyed squads!   Aww. No kills for the sweep squad.  We just keep trading ships.
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The Americans are having an enormous amount of their guns destroyed each turn, they shouldn't have the firepower to stop you in a few days if this keeps up.
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They don't need artillery, they're not going to be bombarding for disruption any time soon. Armour might help.
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23 December 1943 The British destroyer Worcester strikes a mine, losing her extreme stern and being written off as uneconomical to repair. USAAF aircraft sink the Japanese minesweeper Nanyo. Originally HMS Lyemun, the ship was captured on the stocks at the fall of Hong Kong and completed by Japan.
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goatface posted:They don't need artillery, they're not going to be bombarding for disruption any time soon. Armour might help. Huh, didn't know that. Their lack of guns should make them an easy target if Grey tries to bombard again, though.
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The allied force at Jaluit has 150 vehicles and isn't losing many of them.
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  You lucky bugger. There are not many dud torpedoes left in the world!  My surface raiders find fresh meat.  This puts them in range of the enemy bombers though!  These guys are getting in close!  The Solomon sea is swarming with Allied ships!  That carrier continues to hover around Java.  Time to sally the carriers. I mean carrier.  Look, I have to try something  Glug glug glug. quote:Dear Santa. For Xmas I would Like.
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Why are armed forces split in branches anyway?
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CarrKnight posted:Why are armed forces split in branches anyway? Standing army bad. Standing Navy not so bad.
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24 December 1943 Two escorts succumb to homing torpedoes in the Atlantic: The American destroyer Leary, crippled by U-275 and hit again by U-382, and the British escort destroyer Hurricane, hit by U-415 and scuttled.
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CarrKnight posted:Why are armed forces split in branches anyway? History. The branches originally operated in very different spheres with limited combined arms potential. Since then it's more a matter of priorities and specialist leadership.
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In the future we will have many armed forces branches, such as planetary, orbital, moon, asteroid, near space, deep space, cyber, and the Marines.
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  You scumbags, you maggots! You cheap lousy..... erm. Cowards!  You took my dreams from me, in 1943.  Merry Christmas y'arse, thank god it's ya last.  And the bomb of the naval planes are falling all around.  The guns are ringing out, for Christmas day!  Look, I'm a bit sleep deprived. It seems like a good idea at the time.  Looks like I wasn't good enough to get much this year. I hope you all fair better today. Merry xmas all!
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RIP Heermann. Are Hoel and Johnston still around? Also, Grey Hunter posted:Look, I'm a bit sleep deprived. It seems like a good idea at the time. It was a good idea. Merry christmas, grey.
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An AGC is a specialized form of command ship that was used to coordinate large scale naval invasions. Assuming that she sinks, the Rocky Mount is a good get.
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Well, I guess that answers our question about the Chiyoda conversions.
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Triggerhappypilot posted:Well, I guess that answers our question about the Chiyoda conversions. *sigh* Who needs fast CVLs anyway?
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3 DONG HORSE posted:In the future we will have many armed forces branches, such as planetary, orbital, moon, asteroid, near space, deep space, cyber, and the Marines. This. The main reason there are separate branches is separation of concerns. Navy people spend theIr whole lives studying the problems and needs of Naval missions. Army people spend their whole lives studying the needs and problems of ground warfare. Etc. There have been poor results when unified structures lead to one group dominating the planning around their specific view point. If it was more efficient and effective to combine the planning it would have happened centuries ago.
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3 DONG HORSE posted:In the future we will have many armed forces branches, such as planetary, orbital, moon, asteroid, near space, deep space, cyber, and the Marines. And of course the Marines will have their own version of every other branches forces.
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the unconstitutional Cyber Air Force
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Murgos posted:If it was more efficient and effective to combine the planning it would have happened centuries ago. Call me cynical, but my experience with large organizations that are still only a fraction of the size of most armed forces would lead me to assume the exact opposite. Centuries seem like an appropriate timescale to measure how long efficient and effective changes can take to implement with all the institutional inertia, internal politics, and in the case of militaries, I would assume external politics too.
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Um, why are Heerman and Dione floating on the last picture if they were sunk by planes??
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They.might have been carrying pre-existing bomb hits.
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thank you grey big fan of the pogues and your threads.
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gradenko_2000 posted:the unconstitutional Cyber Air Force drat bastards still have the would-be Space Corps under their thumb too. Btw. what might a government have looked like after the Spanish Civil War if the Communists and Republicans had won? Would the Republicans have been defeated in a second conflict, or would they have been able to compromise with the Communists? Hard to see the Republicans winning a second round of armed conflict unless history took a different turn and the western powers sent aid. Edit: Thanks! Good to know. RA Rx fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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The communists weren't the dominant force until the last 18 months of the conflict, that's what I gather from reading Paul Preston's book aboutthe Spanish. Civil War. And their becoming powerful was a consequence but mostly a cause of losing the war. If the war had gone the loyalists' way you would have had a balance of many different forces (socialists, anarchists, communists, liberal democrats, right wing forces, regional movements, etc.) and I want to think each of those groups would have contributed their ideas and practices to make a better thing. Until the nazis came, which, well, wouldn't have been a great idea, we invented the word guerilla after all. But mostly yeah, until the end of the war when Stalin gave orders to concentrate in killing the oposition on their side of the war (neglecting, you know, the front) the Second Spanish Republic was a fairly eclectic place.
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   Curse you!  The enemy carrier finally gets the balls to move north.  No hits, a few losses, but confirmation that it's two CVE's.  This is the sad state of a Kido Butai strike now. It should get better as the damaged carriers are repaired, for a some months to come, this is what I have. [img]https://lpix.org/3001360/5.jpg[/img God drat it!  That's a small measure of revenge.  I need those ships!   We destroy a base force on our march north.  The smaller force is sent into retreat as well.  After a couple of days rest, we bring down the hammer.  A mixed bag – we lost some important ships, but did well on the ground, and got some bombs into a CVE.  A REALLY mixed day.
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  We drive an enemy sub away from one of our core supply convoys.  In a move rivalling one of my own, the Allies sail a combat task force into Singapore!  My god, it's an Invasion attempt!  This is the last thing I expected, they've not even cleared any of the nearby areas!  They even sail the CVE in!  The presence of two heavy cruisers scatters eight more task forces! They were coming in loaded for bear!  This one ends badly for our boys.  A sub in port trades her life to cripple the Maryland!  We also fend off an attack on Rabaul.  The Allies try and tip the balance at Jaluit with some heavy gun support.  This doesn't stop us from destroying another unit though.  Straight up I'm worried about Singapore, it's not as well manned as it could be – I expected the Allies to start marching south, not sail right into harbour!  We salute you, heroes.  I can't create patrol boats annoyingly, so we have some destroyers/sub chasers, two subs and a bunch of midget subs. Lets do this boys!
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PittTheElder posted:Where is the land based air to kill carriers that just wander into the Java Sea? The World Wonders. Really wondering this, and have been for months now. Japanese land-based air has appeared only very rarely and the lack of Betties covering the sea lanes seems to have finally come home to roost. 
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