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Do laptops usually have USB setup via an internal hub(s)? Or is each port discreet?
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Sep 19, 2012 00:16
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xzzy posted:It's not a totally unreasonable question, there are some wire technologies out there that do drop to the lowest common denominator. Yeah, I think this is why I was concerned about USB doing the same thing.
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Sep 19, 2012 00:18
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Apple has a USB 3.0 FAQ here, all it says is that whatever is plugged into the port first determines the speed that port will operate at. I don't think the speed would drop because USB 3.0 gets its extra speed from additional hardware channels. As long as you are using a true USB 3.0 cable (with the blue ends) it'll run at full USB 3.0 speed. Plug in a USB 2.0 cable or hub and it'll run at full 2.0 speed. Edit: funny how Apple says all ports on USB 3.0 capable Macs are USB 3.0 but they won't have the blue coloring most USB 3.0 ports on other machines and hubs are supposed to have. 
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Sep 19, 2012 01:24
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Shaocaholica posted:Do laptops usually have USB setup via an internal hub(s)? Or is each port discreet? There are usually at least 2 internal USB busses. On the 2011 Air, for example, the right-side USB port, keyboard/trackpad, webcam, and bluetooth are all one one USB hub, while the left side USB port and the SD card reader are on the second USB hub.
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Sep 19, 2012 01:24
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Bob Morales posted:There are usually at least 2 internal USB busses. Shaocaholica posted:Do laptops usually have USB setup via an internal hub(s)? Or is each port discreet? This is really, really chipset dependent. Much of the PC world used PS/2 keyboards internally on laptops until very recently. The cheapest chipset that'll provide the functionality they want is used. For netbooks and lowest-common-denominator Acer laptops, that probably means 10 USB ports. Webcam, keyboard, trackpad, SD card reader, plus whatever ports are available to users. Same bus. Then again, almost every chipset these days provides more USB ports than a laptop will ever need, so there's no need for a hub. Apple uses Intel chipsets, mostly, so take that for whatever. 7-series chipsets provide 3 USB3 ports before you need a hub.
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Sep 19, 2012 01:51
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The old Mini supposedly has 4 USB busses http://blog.fosketts.net/2009/03/10/mac-mini-diamond-rough/
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Sep 19, 2012 02:03
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Binary Badger posted:Apple has a USB 3.0 FAQ here, all it says is that whatever is plugged into the port first determines the speed that port will operate at. Most manufacturers are dropping that from laptop lines. I've seen a bunch of stuff lately that had USB 3.0 ports, and the majority weren't blue.
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Sep 19, 2012 03:46
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Binary Badger posted:Edit: funny how Apple says all ports on USB 3.0 capable Macs are USB 3.0 but they won't have the blue coloring most USB 3.0 ports on other machines and hubs are supposed to have.
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Sep 19, 2012 03:48
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So I bought my first mac the other month, a 13 inch pro. I'm enjoying it a lot and really happy with my purchase. Lately I've been seeing a ton of people with those colorful hardshell cases. Are they really necessary? I feel like the added weight and thickness would be annoying and that a laptop made of metal would be more scratch resistant than a regular old plastic one. Am I wrong or missing something here? Why does everyone seem to have these but me?
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Sep 19, 2012 05:42
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2012 MBP's only work with 10.8 Mountain Lion...   Applecare didn't know what the gently caress, but after an hour I found out that yep, it's 10.8 or bust.
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Sep 19, 2012 05:53
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Bob Morales posted:The old Mini supposedly has 4 USB busses That's because it used ICH7, which had 4 USB buses (two ports on each). You following? Manufacturers are provided so many USB ports by the chipset that there's almost no need for internal hubs, especially with newer chipsets providing up to 14 (10 USB 2.0, 4 USB 3.0).
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Sep 19, 2012 06:07
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jaspertron posted:So I bought my first mac the other month, a 13 inch pro. I'm enjoying it a lot and really happy with my purchase. Lately I've been seeing a ton of people with those colorful hardshell cases. Are they really necessary? I feel like the added weight and thickness would be annoying and that a laptop made of metal would be more scratch resistant than a regular old plastic one. They allow the laptop to be used without taking the case off. I used to use one myself, but grew tired of the added bulk when using it. Also most people don't seem to care about device size. I know more than a few people who put their iPhones into those ridiculous cases that double the thickness.
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Sep 19, 2012 07:01
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jaspertron posted:So I bought my first mac the other month, a 13 inch pro. I'm enjoying it a lot and really happy with my purchase. Lately I've been seeing a ton of people with those colorful hardshell cases. Are they really necessary? I feel like the added weight and thickness would be annoying and that a laptop made of metal would be more scratch resistant than a regular old plastic one. My girlfriend has one, but that's only because she throws her MBP into a bag with all of her other school stuff, and within a few months of owning it, there are already scratches and dents in it.
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Sep 19, 2012 07:36
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Panda Time posted:2012 MBP's only work with 10.8 Mountain Lion...
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Sep 19, 2012 08:57
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Because it would look retarded. My Lenovo has two blue USB ports and one bright yellow one. Lets just say the resulting look is something Apple would never be happy with.
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Sep 19, 2012 09:01
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I don't understand why they don't just make all the ports USB3. Are they saving money?
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Sep 19, 2012 09:24
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Mu Zeta posted:I don't understand why they don't just make all the ports USB3. Are they saving money? Yes.
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Sep 19, 2012 09:37
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Mu Zeta posted:I don't understand why they don't just make all the ports USB3. Are they saving money? Aren't the controllers, pinouts, and software protocols all different between USB 2.0 and 3.0? To the point where a port that's compatible with both actually contains both?
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Sep 19, 2012 13:11
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Mu Zeta posted:I don't understand why they don't just make all the ports USB3. Are they saving money? I was under the impression that a yellow USB port indicates a "sleep and charge" port. Meaning that it still provides power when then computer is sleeping (or off if you change a setting in the BIOS). Is it possible that all 3 ports are USB and only one is sleep and charge? Edit : No it looks like there is a mix of 2.0 and 3.0 on most of the Lenovo's... Legdiian fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Sep 19, 2012 |
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Sep 19, 2012 13:57
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porno for the deaf posted:My girlfriend has one, but that's only because she throws her MBP into a bag with all of her other school stuff, and within a few months of owning it, there are already scratches and dents in it. Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. Mine stays in my laptop bag if it's not being used and I'm generally pretty careful with stuff like that. Guess I'll reinvest the money I nearly spent into a new laptop bag.
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Sep 19, 2012 16:15
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jaspertron posted:Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. Mine stays in my laptop bag if it's not being used and I'm generally pretty careful with stuff like that. Guess I'll reinvest the money I nearly spent into a new laptop bag. I always keep mine in a sleeve or a shell because I look at some of the ones for sale that are covered in scratches and dents 
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Sep 19, 2012 16:17
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I treat my apple hardware like poo poo because I love the weathered look after they're a couple years old. I don't bang the stuff around, but I don't put it in cases either. It's not damage, it's "patina". 
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Sep 19, 2012 16:22
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Those of you having trouble with Wi-Fi on your iMac Late 2009 models or later should try upgrading to OS X 10.7.5, it's out as of today and supposedly includes fixes expressly for your iMac.
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Sep 19, 2012 19:24
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HP still includes a USB 2.0 port on many laptops for some internal debugging tool, I was told. They really aren't saving money at this point.
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Sep 19, 2012 19:41
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windows also doesn't include usb 3.0 out of the box until windows 7, and a lot of debugging apps won't work with 3.0 yet.
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Sep 19, 2012 21:51
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mediaphage posted:HP still includes a USB 2.0 port on many laptops for some internal debugging tool, I was told. They really aren't saving money at this point. Huh. That means they are saving money. Edit: Well okay this comment was helpful.
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Sep 19, 2012 21:54
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So I got my Time Capsule and replaced my lovely router, but keep getting error 60 or error 17 when trying to do a Time Machine backup. I googled and the "solution" given is "don't backup over wireless" which is just bullshit. Anyone else seen this? My Windows laptop saw the share in the network and backed up ok though so I think I might be doing something wrong...
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Sep 19, 2012 21:58
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Is it latest firmware? What OS X?
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Sep 19, 2012 21:59
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Firmware 7.6.1 (this is the latest, correct?) on Mountain Lion 10.8.1 e: updated to 10.8.2 but no luck Simone Poodoin fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Sep 20, 2012 |
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Sep 19, 2012 22:03
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I've got two questions I hope you can help me with. 1) What's the recommended update frequency when it comes to MacBook Pros, in terms of resell value? In other words: I bought a MacBook Pro last summer (June/July), what's the best time to sell it and buy an updated one? which kind of leads me to: 2) I've been watching this site for info on updates http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ As you can see, on the MacBook Air now is a good time to buy one as it was recently updated. The Pro however is yellow, meaning that it's kind of in the middle of an update cycle. However, both the Air and the Pro was, according to the same site, updated on the same date (June 11, 2012). What gives?
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Sep 20, 2012 01:26
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Xabi posted:1) What's the recommended update frequency when it comes to MacBook Pros, in terms of resell value? In other words: I bought a MacBook Pro last summer (June/July), what's the best time to sell it and buy an updated one? Xabi posted:2) I've been watching this site for info on updates http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ The Pro gets updated more often. Look at the days between previous releases on that page.
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Sep 20, 2012 01:32
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The Pro is due a decent refresh, if only to add USB 3 and Thunderbolt.
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Sep 20, 2012 01:34
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Bob Morales posted:Tough to say. but at the first or second refresh after you buy. As long as you sell before the hardware gets obsoleted by an OS upgrade you should be okay. Bob Morales posted:The Pro gets updated more often. Look at the days between previous releases on that page.
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Sep 20, 2012 01:36
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Drogadon posted:Firmware 7.6.1 (this is the latest, correct?) on Mountain Lion 10.8.1 Changed the wireless channel from Automatic to a fixed one and now it's working, so wierd because there are not many networks around here, besides mine I can see one other with barely one bar of reception.
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Sep 20, 2012 01:45
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Xabi posted:I see, thanks. The model I bought apparently came out in Feb 2011, I guess I should get the next one then - which according to Macrumors is about 167 days away (based on the average update cycle). Don't forget the refresh before this one was pretty minor. Look up the comparisons of the early 2011 and late 2011 Pro, slightly slower CPU but improved discrete graphics. http://www.anandtech.com/show/5113/apple-15inch-macbook-pro-late-2011-review
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Sep 20, 2012 01:50
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Bob Morales posted:Don't forget the refresh before this one was pretty minor. Look up the comparisons of the early 2011 and late 2011 Pro, slightly slower CPU but improved discrete graphics. Sorry if these questions are dumb, I'm pretty dumb @ Macs.
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Sep 20, 2012 01:57
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That's the norm since they really follow Intel's roadmap http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Tick-Tock
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Sep 20, 2012 02:07
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Xabi posted:If I understand you and Macrumors correctly, the last major Pro update was the one in early 2011. Both the late 2011 update and the summer 2012 update seem minor, to me anyway. Is this normal, i.e. two (or more?) minor updates before a major one? Are you expecting the next one to be major or are we in for one or several minor ones first? Some people would rather keep the same machine for 4-5 generations and then upgrade, instead of losing $300 every year trying to stay at the top of the heap. Depends on how much of an inconvenience it is for you to start over on a new machine every year as well. Do you have an SSD in your current MacBook Pro? That's a huge boost and might keep you satisfied for another year.
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Sep 20, 2012 02:31
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Bob Morales posted:The last upgrade was a pretty big jump GPU wise and with the addition of USB 3. But Haswell would be the next upgrade, in theory, and should be a 10% upgrade in processor and 50-100% increase in integrated graphics performance.
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Sep 20, 2012 02:45
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Bob Morales posted:The last upgrade was a pretty big jump GPU wise and with the addition of USB 3. But Haswell would be the next upgrade, in theory, and should be a 10% upgrade in processor and 50-100% increase in integrated graphics performance. Depending on what mac you buy you won't lose that much money between jumps. 2010 mac minis are still 450 - 500$ depending on condition.
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