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You know, I could totally see K6BD being sold right next to Moebius and other Humanoïde Associé authors.
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MonsieurChoc posted:You know, I could totally see K6BD being sold right next to Moebius and other Humanoïde Associé authors. Absolutely. Abaddon gives me a real Jodorowsky vibe at times.
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Dmitri-9 posted:I'm finding the whole characterization around the devils to be really weak. If they are so reliably treacherous why would anyone work with a devil without a pact in place? They're probably a little more cagey with their fellow devils since its a whole two way cut of the knife type of deal, as for why a person would choose to work with a devil...ignorance probably,
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Cio: This is the perfect trap. It poisons your group, sows mistrust and fear. Oscar: *just fuckin tosses felicia in there and probably nobody gives a poo poo*
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Sep 3, 2017 02:00
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watch the face transform into felicia's lmao
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Sep 3, 2017 02:04
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Purely decorative screaming head
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Dead Reckoning posted:Why would someone start doing heroin or rob a bank or bet money they don't have with criminal bookies, when they are objectively terrible choices likely to result in maiming, poverty, or death? Because they are desperate. Your explanation is plausible but this is like teaming up with Judas, Brutus, and Quisling for one last score.
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Sep 3, 2017 03:21
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the promise of a cosmically huge reward makes people (and devils) do cosmically stupid things
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Dmitri-9 posted:Because they are desperate. Your explanation is plausible but this is like teaming up with Judas, Brutus, and Quisling for one last score. Devils aren't compelled to do this poo poo, there's devils running bars in the very comic. Its plausible that not all devils are shitheels and the ones we're seeing are actually the devil equivalent of professional crimers and dealing with devils is actually a commonly done thing in the setting.
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Sep 3, 2017 05:01
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White Chain did say these were bottom tier scum that not even the guilds would do business with.
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Dmitri-9 posted:I'm finding the whole characterization around the devils to be really weak. If they are so reliably treacherous why would anyone work with a devil without a pact in place? because anyone who would do so is a tremendous moron and deserves their fate
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Dmitri-9 posted:Because they are desperate. Your explanation is plausible but this is like teaming up with Judas, Brutus, and Quisling for one last score. Like half of folklore revolves around people making deals with functionally identical devils. They're incredibly powerful and can get you stuff you could never achieve any other way and while they will gently caress you given the chance they're bound by restrictive and unbreakable rules and if you're smart it's entirely possible to come out on top of the arrangement. And everyone thinks they're smart and special Like you're trying to prove that logically casinos don't exist A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Sep 3, 2017 |
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Consider also that accepting everything Cio says about devils is like accepting everything White Chain says about angels.
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We're gonna meet a chill devil who isn't cio and you'll all eat your words. I mean hell, I'm hoping that renegade angel is the chill calming influence white chain needs, I kinda hate this emo phase my favorite good cop bad cop partners are going through, I want cioelle to call people wobble-brains and poxerly whoresons again.
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Emrikol posted:Consider also that accepting everything Cio says about devils is like accepting everything White Chain says about angels. White Chain: We're all unfeeling law-robots. Fabulous Angel: I LOVE committing crimes!
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You made me think there was a new page already. 
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Bilirubin posted:Purely decorative screaming head The head's decorative. The skull beneath, on the other hand, is a load-bearing tooth-joist.
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Xarbala posted:The head's decorative. Hell, same
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That chapter and page number, though. Religious significance, and certainly a jackpot for Doorface.
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So I've been reading this comic (I'm at the part where she's meeting Mottom) and it kinda owns. Usually i have trouble really getting into even the more highly recommended web comics, but this is some genuinely good poo poo. Great art, and the text that sometimes appears below pages is really well written.
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You'll enjoy the rest of this arc, then.
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Ytlaya posted:So I've been reading this comic (I'm at the part where she's meeting Mottom) and it kinda owns. Usually i have trouble really getting into even the more highly recommended web comics, but this is some genuinely good poo poo. Great art, and the text that sometimes appears below pages is really well written.
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So I'm caught up now. One thing I find kind of interesting is that Allison is kinda a mean person, though in a weirdly inconsistent way. Like she is willing to risk her life to try and save Zaid, but is a huge rear end in a top hat to pretty much everyone else she's met since her adventure began. You could argue that it's largely just being pragmatic and trying to avoid being tricked*, but Cio's silly fanfiction thing should have at least made it clear that she wasn't entirely just cynically using her (since it's a thing she was writing that she didn't intend to have read by others) and Allison continued to just demand everyone else help her or gently caress off (and this was before becoming influenced by Incubus, so she doesn't really have that excuse). *Though for some reason this same skepticism didn't really extend to Incubus
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Ytlaya posted:So I'm caught up now. One thing I find kind of interesting is that Allison is kinda a mean person, though in a weirdly inconsistent way. Like she is willing to risk her life to try and save Zaid, but is a huge rear end in a top hat to pretty much everyone else she's met since her adventure began. You could argue that it's largely just being pragmatic and trying to avoid being tricked*, but Cio's silly fanfiction thing should have at least made it clear that she wasn't entirely just cynically using her (since it's a thing she was writing that she didn't intend to have read by others) and Allison continued to just demand everyone else help her or gently caress off (and this was before becoming influenced by Incubus, so she doesn't really have that excuse). Allison is the king of bad decisions.
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Ytlaya posted:So I'm caught up now. One thing I find kind of interesting is that Allison is kinda a mean person, though in a weirdly inconsistent way. Like she is willing to risk her life to try and save Zaid, but is a huge rear end in a top hat to pretty much everyone else she's met since her adventure began.
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Allison is also (possibly 'until recently') constantly terrified and trying to ride through that terror. A lot of her worst decisions come from her going 'I'm going to do something and not be jerked around' and also being in fight-or-flight mode, constantly. Also Nyave is not an assassin, Nyave is perfect and good. This is why Nyave will never attain Royalty.
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One could argue that being in the state of 'I'm going to do something and not be jerked around' while still being able to make rational decisions is a path to Royalty.
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Joe Slowboat posted:Also Nyave is not an assassin, Nyave is perfect and good. This is why Nyave will never attain Royalty. She might run a perfectly good noodle shop, some day.
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Ytlaya posted:So I'm caught up now. One thing I find kind of interesting is that Allison is kinda a mean person, though in a weirdly inconsistent way. Like she is willing to risk her life to try and save Zaid, but is a huge rear end in a top hat to pretty much everyone else she's met since her adventure began. You could argue that it's largely just being pragmatic and trying to avoid being tricked*, but Cio's silly fanfiction thing should have at least made it clear that she wasn't entirely just cynically using her (since it's a thing she was writing that she didn't intend to have read by others) and Allison continued to just demand everyone else help her or gently caress off (and this was before becoming influenced by Incubus, so she doesn't really have that excuse). Allison makes a lot of really dumb decisions which are inevitably going to bite her in the rear end, it's basically the fundamental underlying theme of the comic (and you of course see it in all the little story vignettes as well), but at the same time it's not really like Cio and Allison were best buds forever up until this point. The fanfic thing is funny but at best it's kind of a weird thing for someone you barely know to be writing romantic stories featuring you, putting you on some kind of pedestal. I don't know that I'd say Allison has really been friends with anyone who's become a cast regular so far. Allies sure, of convenience and necessity and trying not to get killed, but there aren't really a lot of tight knit bonds going on, at least not yet. That also sorta goes both ways too, Cio maybe came closest to being friendly (between insults) but White Chain has always been officious and stern at best when she isn't putting on her best Thorn Knight impression, and most of the other people she's met on her journey have been huge assholes themselves, almost all of which want to kill her or worse.
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Tollymain posted:"gently caress with me and i swear i will kill you" is not a sign of gullibility or trust
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She's just been portrayed as completely out of her depth the entire time. She's not really supposed to be acting rationally or consistently, just understandably. I mean, she had serious problems and was barely keeping it together working as a barista in the normal world, then she got dumped into a bugfuck insane cosmic turbohell. It's not supposed to be one of those stories where someone takes 15 minutes to adjust to being in a fantasy world and then gets on with it, she's been on the verge of complete panic and breakdown more or less constantly since the start of the comic. She's been constantly fleeing for her life, seeing the most terrifying hosed up poo poo ever, or being forced into being a pawn by deceit or threats or just told she doesn't have a choice by more or less everyone she meets. And she has the key in her head, so when she gets it together enough to yell "no actually gently caress you", it has the power of 777,777 gods behind it. That impulsive seizing control poo poo is the only behaviour that's rewarded in any way, or gives her the feeling that she's in any way in control. She is not supposed to be handling this very well. Like right now she's alienating the only people who might be on her side, allying herself with some extremely heinous dudes, and realising her terrible deal with Incubus has hosed her right over. It wasn't that she trusted Incubus but not Cio - we knew that deal was a bad idea at the time, and so did she. It's just that someone offered her a chance to have some kind of power and control and she grabbed it without giving a poo poo about the consequences. She's in a psychological state that is conducive to making desperate impulsive decisions, but not to developing trusting friendships.
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Kai Tave posted:I don't know that I'd say Allison has really been friends with anyone who's become a cast regular so far. Allies sure, of convenience and necessity and trying not to get killed, but there aren't really a lot of tight knit bonds going on, at least not yet. That also sorta goes both ways too, Cio maybe came closest to being friendly (between insults) but White Chain has always been officious and stern at best when she isn't putting on her best Thorn Knight impression, and most of the other people she's met on her journey have been huge assholes themselves, almost all of which want to kill her or worse. yeah Cio is a fun cute fictional character. Up close and in person, she's a weird cannibal monster who got weirdly obsessed with Allison as her saviorlover after about ten minutes of introduction and expects Allison to be her personal bodyguard to help her break up with her boyfriend, another cannibal monster who likes hollowing out blondes and shoving monsters in them
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Alison gave that devil a god-level headbutt right in his stupid eyeballs, so I think she's doing just fine.
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Yeah, Cio is definitely weird/alien, but I feel like the normal response in such a situation, even if it's unwise, is to cling to what few non-hostile connections you have. Also, there's a difference between being friends and being friendly. Like, you should at least act nice to people until they've shown themselves to be bad or otherwise ill-intentioned. edit: Thematically her behavior fits with the sort of behavior from the in-universe mythology, though, so this isn't a complaint about the story itself, just Allison as a person. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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Ytlaya posted:Yeah, Cio is definitely weird/alien, but I feel like the normal response in such a situation, even if it's unwise, is to cling to what few non-hostile connections you have. This is a valid point, but it's worth noting that fanfic aside Cio has spent a lot of time dunking on Allison like she's the slow kid in the classroom, and there's a difference between friends insulting each other and weird demons you barely know insulting you, and then Allison found out that yeah, demons eat people and Cio used to eat a LOT of people, so maybe Cio isn't demiurge level bad but a floundering college student from earth probably isn't going to look at all this and go "well drat I should totally go all in with this one, sign me up." None of this contradicts that Allison is indeed making really terrible decisions. I'd say that it's possible the only decisions available to her right now are various shades of terrible. She can't even unironically go and open that noodle shop so long as she's got a fragment of divine flame jammed in her head, and there aren't any ways she could get rid of it that wouldn't simply make things worse.
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Ytlaya posted:Also, there's a difference between being friends and being friendly. Like, you should at least act nice to people until they've shown themselves to be bad or otherwise ill-intentioned. Cio, who's explicitly confessed to helping Allison because she wants to use her as a shield, is pretty drat ill-intentioned. The fact that she's nice to her doesn't change that. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Sep 5, 2017 |
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