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Lazy_Liberal posted:Muslim countries got a lot of Christian churches? Egypt's got several thousand Coptic churches, yes.
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Lazy_Liberal posted:Muslim countries got a lot of Christian churches? Saudia Arabia, no. Basically any other country: yes. Something to do with the house of saud pushing ultra wahhabi Islam as a form of population control coupled with letting them have people arrested without trial for religious offences. Also because saudia Arabia is a shithole.
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Dec 14, 2019 10:11
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Lazy_Liberal posted:Muslim countries got a lot of Christian churches? Christianity as a religion historically originates in the Middle East. Countries like Jordan, Egypt, Syria, but also Bahrain have large Christian minorities, in the 8%-16% range. And Lebanon used to be a Christian majority country until not that long ago. Muslim countries going all-in for religious persecution of Christians through both government-backed torture and terrorist-inflicted mass murder is a relatively recent phenomenon; Muslim countries used to love to have a lot of Christians and Jews around because they made them pay extra taxes.
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Americans think Jesus was white and don't know where their own religion comes from, news at 11
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Dec 14, 2019 15:25
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Iran even in theocracy form has some kind of special parliamentary seats for their Armenian minority.
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Grape posted:Iran even in theocracy form has some kind of special parliamentary seats for their Armenian minority. and the jewish minority, iirc.
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Dec 14, 2019 16:08
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Minority seats are reserved for Armenians, Assyrians, Jews and Zoroastrians. A tradition going back to the first modern Persian parliament in the 1900s.
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Angry Salami posted:Minority seats are reserved for Armenians, Assyrians, Jews and Zoroastrians. A tradition going back to the first modern Persian parliament in the 1900s.
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Grouchio posted:...Despite being a hardline Shiite theocracy. 'Hardline theocracy' is a very relative term when Saudi Arabia is just across the water.
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Grouchio posted:...Despite being a hardline Shiite theocracy. Iran is a lot more secular than you think, dude. Compare that to the despotic oil country across a lake that refuses to allow jews to enter the country(except for diplomatic reasons), and who are inexplicably so loving bad at war they can't even win against Yemen despite having near-infinite resources and carte blanche to do anything short of marching every citizen in a village past a wagon and executing everyone who is taller than the wheel. Ultramega fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Dec 14, 2019 |
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Dec 14, 2019 23:48
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Iran was barely religious at all, until the CIA and MI6 started loving in their politics due to BP's oil interests and oh whoops we accidentally started a huge rebellion led by religious leaders who took control of the country.
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It's extremely short-sighted to just focus on religion anyway; the middle east has an almost pornographic degree of income inequality and it doesn't require true faith in god to be able to exploit or co-opt legitimate people's struggles or independence movements.
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Dec 15, 2019 00:00
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Turkey has quite a few churches
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Drone_Fragger posted:Iran was barely religious at all, until the CIA and MI6 started loving in their politics due to BP's oil interests and oh whoops we accidentally started a huge rebellion led by religious leaders who took control of the country. Yeah exactly. Same with Afghanistan where at least the cities were fairly modern and secular, but 30 years of civil war was unsurprisingly unkind to that.
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Dec 15, 2019 01:59
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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also Khomeini was himself Azeri, not Persian (ethnically) iirc, which probably put a little more oomph behind the revolutionary state's nominal religious and ethnic tolerance
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Dec 15, 2019 02:23
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Drone_Fragger posted:Iran was barely religious at all, Uh, no dude.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:also Khomeini was himself Azeri, not Persian (ethnically) iirc, which probably put a little more oomph behind the revolutionary state's nominal religious and ethnic tolerance Khamenei is the one with an Azeri background.
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Grape posted:Uh, no dude. it is perhaps better to say it was a hell of a lot more secular than it is today. but the decision was made in London and Washington that men of faith would make a good bulwark against the drat commies, and, well. lol
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That's good to know about the churches! I've only ever been to Israel so I'm still learning about the other countries in the area. My only context has been "you're jewish and you're not allowed to live there" which I'm sure is an oversimplification (I hope).
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A lot of anti-semitism is still around today, but it mainly manifests in individualistic acts of fuckery against individual or small groups of jewish people; the most recent example I can think of that at all approximated systemic anti-semitism are the 2 synagogue shootings that happened last year or so in the usa.
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Dec 15, 2019 16:39
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:it is perhaps better to say it was a hell of a lot more secular than it is today. No again. The decision was to support a king as patsy dictator.
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Ultramega posted:A lot of anti-semitism is still around today, but it mainly manifests in individualistic acts of fuckery against individual or small groups of jewish people; the most recent example I can think of that at all approximated systemic anti-semitism are the 2 synagogue shootings that happened last year or so in the usa. You had a bunch of people trying to attack a Jewish supermarket in New Jersey last week but more or less hosed it up. Antisemitism is still bloody common and getting more so with the rise of the alt-right and far-right.
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Rise an anti semitic events in Canada too, but it's mostly swastika graffiti. I think the JCC in a few places have been called with threats a few times too
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Il Federale posted:Khamenei is the one with an Azeri background. Gah, you're right. Well, general principle stands, I just got them temporally flipped.
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Dec 16, 2019 03:06
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Khomeini is of course Scottish, one need only see his extreme resemblance to Sean Connery to know this.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Gah, you're right. Well, general principle stands, I just got them temporally flipped. Very easy mistake. It’s very confusing that the country has had two supreme leaders and they’ve had such similar names.
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Dec 16, 2019 04:03
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It doesn't help that beyond outright violence, there's still tons of poo poo like https://twitter.com/xeIphaar/status/1206210580585078784?s=20 that get overlooked.
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Dec 16, 2019 04:41
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Argas posted:It doesn't help that beyond outright violence, there's still tons of poo poo like loving wow.
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Argas posted:It doesn't help that beyond outright violence, there's still tons of poo poo like this looks like someone who REALLY hated going to their lovely cousin's lovely kid's bar mitzvah wrote an episode where two Batman villains crash that lovely party. and at no point gave any thought to "hey wait how does this look if you HAVEN'T had that experience." on a scale from one to The Star Trek Episode With The Planet Of The Treacherous, Also Horny Black People this clocks in at a solid 7/10. incredibly stupid, about eight different people should have killed it before it aired, but plausibly not malicious.
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Dunno, in this era of "LOL JUST A JOKE IM NOT A NAZI. but srsly..." I can't just take this sort of bullshit on faith.
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Bigotry doesn't need to be malicious to be bigotry. A lot of these "harmless" stereotypes are baked into popular western culture and still gets by without much critical thought because we're so used to it.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Bold prediction time - Bibi('s coalition) is going to decisively win this election. Likud and Ultra-Orthodox parties can reliably turn out their voters, while the secular centrist void at the heart of the Blue and White voter "base" is already going into full apathy mode. "A third election in two years, this is ridiculous! Why isn't there a magical unity government that makes me feel comfortable already? What the gently caress is even the point in voting then?" Judging how Boris just won in the UK on a platform of pure nationalism and jingoism, I'd say you're absolutely right about this.
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Barring a miracle we can definitely expect things to get massively worse in the near future, maybe Bibi will start a war as a way to get instant popular support. Bibi and his lackies are definitely not above saber rattling and I figure that more military operations in Gaza just won't cut it as much anymore. So the question is: considering that both the IDF and regional politics will not support a big war of conquest I predict something along the lines of the Lebanon occupation within the next decade. Please let me be massively wrong. 
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By popular demand posted:Barring a miracle we can definitely expect things to get massively worse in the near future, maybe Bibi will start a war as a way to get instant popular support. Didn't he try doing that for the September elections only to have the IDF go "LOL, no"?
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My fear is that he'll use a media campaign to demonize one of our neighbors prior to assault.(aka. the "smart" option) The PM still requires a measure of popular support for this sort of thing. Problem is, there's no shortage of nations to demonize nor mega rich oligarchs who will fund such a media campaign.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:this looks like someone who REALLY hated going to their lovely cousin's lovely kid's bar mitzvah wrote an episode where two Batman villains crash that lovely party. and at no point gave any thought to "hey wait how does this look if you HAVEN'T had that experience." Yeah, the episode itself felt like it was definitely written from the inside - the focus is mainly on the kid having this awful party in a way that absolutely feels like it was written from someone's childhood experiences. Turns out that didn't look too great from the outside, though.
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By popular demand posted:My fear is that he'll use a media campaign to demonize one of our neighbors prior to assault.(aka. the "smart" option) "Hezbollah bad! Let our jewish ethnoreligious state knock over and conquer our fragile multi-denominational neighbour! This will only lead to more safety for us and other good things!"
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Dec 16, 2019 16:30
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There's some tensions currently between Turkey and Israel (among others) over maritime borders, Bibi might try to turn it into a more immediate (at least seeming) threat?
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The middle east thread is the first time I've ever heard of it and I check our news daily, so probably not.
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Zanzibar Ham posted:There's some tensions currently between Turkey and Israel (among others) over maritime borders, Bibi might try to turn it into a more immediate (at least seeming) threat? That would be widely welcomed by most countries in the area because Turkey is being a huge shithead about Cypriot waters. But I'm pretty sure Israel and Turkey have a secret pact signed to loudly use eachother's assholeness to make speeches and gestures out of, but to never actually step on eachother's toes about it. An rear end in a top hat Gentlemen's agreement.
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