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Umbreon posted:Have you guys ever applied to jobs like that anyway and got them? If so, how did it work out? Recently applied to a job which had the exect opposite tech stack as I’ve worked with. Think AWS/Azure, EKS/AKS, Github/Gitlab, NewRelic/Datadog, Elastic/Splunk, Terraform/ARM, etc. Went into the interviews mentioning that explicitely and all rounds I got the same reply “yeah we know but if you can do X, you’ll have no problems learning Y quick enough.” We even had a good laugh about what the chances are about having this much experiemce with so many different tools and still end up with exactly 0 overlap. The interviews focussed more on concepts and me explaining how I used those previously instead of some trivia about edge cases. I did ask a few times what a specific Azure service did. The hiring manager told me I got the job if I wanted to by the end of the last round.
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Remember folks, job postings are nothing more than wish lists, very rarely are they hard requirements. If you can even reasonably talk about 50% of what the job posting is looking for go ahead and apply. Let them decide if you're not the right candidate or not. Don't take yourself out of the running on your own. Worst case scenario is you continue to not work there, there is zero downside for applying for the job really. Honestly most of the hiring input I've provided in my career has been about personality fit and someone not setting off my bullshit detector. IT poo poo is easy to teach and learn, finding a decent person to work with who won't bullshit you it way harder.
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Dec 27, 2022 16:39
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skipdogg posted:Remember folks, job postings are nothing more than wish lists, very rarely are they hard requirements. If you can even reasonably talk about 50% of what the job posting is looking for go ahead and apply. Let them decide if you're not the right candidate or not. Don't take yourself out of the running on your own. Worst case scenario is you continue to not work there, there is zero downside for applying for the job really. Some of the advanced topics are pretty complex and difficult to learn, but overall this is true. Just need someone who is the right kind of lazy (ie do good work/document/automate so people don't have to bug you about the broken whatever you put in and you can go back to posting), isn't a piece of poo poo to work with, has some modicum of technical proficiency, and is willing/able to learn and change. Specific technical requirements are least important as long as you are familiar with a couple things on there you're good.
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Dec 27, 2022 19:01
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i am a moron posted:I have been places where discussing prod pushes took more time then actually doing it and jfc is it frustrating Once you've shipped a service or product and it's actively being consumed by users it gets so complicated and it's not even technical. The business is absolutely terrified of interruptions even if you are hitting SLA. While I've done this before for smaller customers or brand "greenfield" there's a ton of prep. work that goes into any kind change upgrade or anything with 100,000+ users. Even then, it's still freaking stressful.
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Dec 28, 2022 01:00
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re: resume chat usually you can do the fifteen minute tutorial for X technology on their website. Even for the more complex stuff, deploying an ES cluster on k3s and uploading/reading a document via its API will take all of an hour and would be an instant hire from me. Forget “I haven’t used X, but I can learn!”, that’s yesterday’s game. Now it’s “I haven’t used X *in production*, but I’ve done X Y and Z and would use it in these circumstances, here are the drawbacks and alternatives.” If you have two-three bullet points to say per topic on the wish list you’ll be in excellent shape for any interview. In other news I’m on vacation and the airline mislaid our luggage, which was very sad. On the flip side I have a new appreciation for the wild stuff they sell over the counter in Mexican pharmacies!
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The Iron Rose posted:In other news I’m on vacation and the airline mislaid our luggage, which was very sad. On the flip side I have a new appreciation for the wild stuff they sell over the counter in Mexican pharmacies! Did you just discover OTC viagra?
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The Iron Rose posted:Forget “I haven’t used X, but I can learn!”, that’s yesterday’s game. Now it’s “I haven’t used X *in production*, but I’ve done X Y and Z and would use it in these circumstances, here are the drawbacks and alternatives.” Is there a professional way of saying "As an entry level engineer I was put under insane deadlines to learn, stand up, and use complex technology I'd never heard of before in production and what ever stupid tech you're asking me to learn for this job doesn't scare me at this point in my career."
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Dec 28, 2022 03:22
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Defenestrategy posted:Is there a professional way of saying "As an entry level engineer I was put under insane deadlines to learn, stand up, and use complex technology I'd never heard of before in production and what ever stupid tech you're asking me to learn for this job doesn't scare me at this point in my career." Try chatgpt
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Defenestrategy posted:Is there a professional way of saying "As an entry level engineer I was put under insane deadlines to learn, stand up, and use complex technology I'd never heard of before in production and what ever stupid tech you're asking me to learn for this job doesn't scare me at this point in my career." I always went with "part of my duties are to learn and use new technologies on the fly, leveraging my deep knowledge of best practices, research skills, and skill at adaptation and learning to properly implement them and be able to support them by the end of the project" or similar.
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Dec 28, 2022 04:25
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Silly Newbie posted:I always went with "part of my duties are to learn and use new technologies on the fly, leveraging my deep knowledge of best practices, research skills, and skill at adaptation and learning to properly implement them and be able to support them by the end of the project" or similar. God drat that's pretty good you silly newbie
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Dec 28, 2022 05:00
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Silly Newbie posted:I always went with "part of my duties are to learn and use new technologies on the fly, leveraging my deep knowledge of best practices, research skills, and skill at adaptation and learning to properly implement them and be able to support them by the end of the project" or similar. I google poo poo too
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Dec 28, 2022 05:07
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Showing up with RTFM tattooed on my forehead and getting hired instantly (Got a tramp stamp that says PEBKAC)
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Dec 28, 2022 06:43
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My tramp stamp is of the Sudo sandwich.
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Dec 28, 2022 07:27
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jaegerx posted:I google poo poo too I've made pretty good bank on googling poo poo and selling the results. Isn't that what most of our industry is?
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Dec 28, 2022 08:20
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Managing DNS servers is the worst. I wish the clouds had more IPS-based security for their managed solutions so I could NOT manage them and keep security happy. I am honestly shocked that at this level of cloud maturity we still don't have any kind of IPS solutions available natively.
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Dec 28, 2022 18:22
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Friday at 5pm, we terminate the accounts of all 44 employees that are being divested in a sale. Goodbye 365, intune laptops, teams telephone numbers, etc. We had the first call with the MSP this morning, and it wasn’t even with the primary guy responsible. lol, lmao, etc. These employees aren’t gonna have jobs in 3 months at this rate.
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Defenestrategy posted:Is there a professional way of saying "As an entry level engineer I was put under insane deadlines to learn, stand up, and use complex technology I'd never heard of before in production and what ever stupid tech you're asking me to learn for this job doesn't scare me at this point in my career." 
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Dec 28, 2022 20:02
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Gonna run all my interview emails thru polite post Anyway I'm being told to wipe all the files on a machine that hasn't been properly backed up* that was used by an important former user. Don't think I'm gonna do that, coworker. *Did you guess we have an obnoxious, overly manual process that's poorly documented for something that should be trivial? Give yourself a tokin point if so
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Dec 28, 2022 20:37
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tokin opposition posted:Anyway I'm being told to wipe all the files on a machine that hasn't been properly backed up* that was used by an important former user. Don't think I'm gonna do that, coworker. Make sure you cover your rear end 
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Dec 28, 2022 20:40
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Checked the files and she hasn't been doing this since September... And is off for the week tomorrow.
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Dec 28, 2022 20:44
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Taking bets on if they're the "I always keep my important documents in the recycle bin!" type or the "I've been doing illegal things and I know better than to back this poo poo up" type.
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C suite user: “Give person X the same SharePoint access as person Y. Thank you.” *their department site (that I’m assuming c suite wants the access for) was set up years before SharePoint was dumped in my lap* *site has literally 126 lists, subsites, libraries with unique permissions* *site had no groups set up and default groups are not present in majority of subsites* fuuuuuuuuck this should be so simple the person who built this had their whole head in their rear end This isnt even my job, they didn’t backfill the SharePoint person, ahhhhhhhhh 
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Did some tax info checking and I'm loving amazed I get paid as much as I do for this poo poo. I got paid a third of this for honest to God hard labor
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tokin opposition posted:Did some tax info checking and I'm loving amazed I get paid as much as I do for this poo poo. I got paid a third of this for honest to God hard labor just wait, it gets better
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Internet Explorer posted:just wait, it gets better Hell yeah it does. I look back to some of the jobs I had before IT. 4.75 an hour at McDonalds when I was 16. 2.13 an hour waiting tables, 9 dollars an hour short order cooking, 9.25 an hour stocking shelves at Walmart (got fired after 89 days), 12 bucks an hour doing DSL tech support in a call center. I look at what I do now and how well I'm compensated for it and just shake my head.
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I used to do painting, roofing, construction during my time off from school starting at like age 14. I think I got $5.25. lol
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The Iron Rose posted:
I got real sick in Germany a few years back. I managed to mime and Google Translate "I am vomiting from both ends" to the apothecary and got *what I thought* was 50mg Dramamine tablets. They were not 50mg, they were double that. So my usual "Take two and feel ok" turned into "Take three cause I feel lovely and pass all the way out on the train". I was woken up by a nice Dutch family that was very concerned because I was scowling in my sleep. I don't even remember getting on the train. Made it to Amsterdam ok though.
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Even nonprofit entry level IT paid enough to be sustainable income in the Bay Area. Now I work for a consulting company and am zeroing in on my goal of making six figgies. IT owns.
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I'm on vacation and am 0 for 2 for california cities that I like
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klosterdev posted:Even nonprofit entry level IT paid enough to be sustainable income in the Bay Area. Now I work for a consulting company and am zeroing in on my goal of making six figgies. IT owns. Careful. Once you break the 6figures everything changes. Now I don’t even answer the phone to anything lower than what I previously made despite it being a perfectly livable wage.
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I have lurked this thread mostly for years but I feel like I'm actually going into IT after years of doing cable/internet support, and it turns out that switching jobs rules. Went from residential to business support, got an 11% raise, realized I was still getting massively underpaid, and jumped ship to tier 2 support at another company for a 25% raise, making my pay... Still low, but now I'm somewhere where certs and whatnot matter, which means I can make number go up! I should have listened to y'all years ago
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jaegerx posted:Careful. Once you break the 6figures everything changes. Now I don’t even answer the phone to anything lower than what I previously made despite it being a perfectly livable wage. I'm already doing this for mid five figures Hoping to hit 80k by 2024
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The Iron Rose posted:re: resume chat usually you can do the fifteen minute tutorial for X technology on their website. Even for the more complex stuff, deploying an ES cluster on k3s and uploading/reading a document via its API will take all of an hour and would be an instant hire from me. I did technical interviews all summer and fall and everyone that I put forward to the next round did this. Sorry your vacation had some bumps. CLAM DOWN posted:sharepoint is the absolute worst thread title please.
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