2014 US Midterms: Good News - The Polls Were Skewed!

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Khisanth Magus posted:

Dunno, were the old ones made well and the new one designed-by and built-by people like the ones behind the F-35? Its not like new is always better when design and work are going to the lowest bidder.

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Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

Nintendo Kid posted:

It's not a false dichotomy, the Keystone XL project is explicitly about providing an alternate route to the Keystone Pipeline that already exists.

You are wrong.

Not an alternative, an expansion. It is literally in Transcanda's plans that phase 3 of the Keystone project (aka Keystone XL) will be a large expansion of capacity. Besides, phase 1 (aka "the keystone pipeline) was completed in 2010. So your argument that phase 3 will replace old leaky pipe doesn't work even if Transcanada wanted to make less money for no reason.

# ? Oct 23, 2014 23:16

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

This has been getting absolutely no attention on a national level, but North Dakota's Amendment 1 is a stealth 'Personhood Amendment' that is so vague it could force in-vitro fertilization clinics to close down. Polling right now shows it has enough support to pass.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/10/23/3583437/north-dakota-personhood-ballot/

# ? Oct 23, 2014 23:27

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

The new lines will at least be piggable unlike some old lines where ECDA surveys are the only option. Keystone XL is also going to have a lot more depth of cover than the Chevron line that spilled into the Yellowstone river (the name escapes me), that line went because of excessive erosion of the river bank during flooding, a major problem if you're under 10 feet of rock, not a problem if you're 70ft below the river.

One thing that is exactly right is that the people that operate the line are not the companies that build it or inspect it. The operators contract that work out to companies that only do those things. Unfortunately we know what happens when you don't have effective oversight of contractors...

# ? Oct 23, 2014 23:29

Corrupt Politician: Aug 8, 2007

FlamingLiberal posted:

This has been getting absolutely no attention on a national level, but North Dakota's Amendment 1 is a stealth 'Personhood Amendment' that is so vague it could force in-vitro fertilization clinics to close down. Polling right now shows it has enough support to pass.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/10/23/3583437/north-dakota-personhood-ballot/

I always hear about personhood bills potentially outlawing noncontroversial things like fertility treatments, but wouldn't such a law just be selectively enforced by a conservative government if it were enacted? I mean, is there actually an anti-in-vitro lobby that would sue to enforce something like this?

# ? Oct 24, 2014 00:02

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Corrupt Politician posted:

I always hear about personhood bills potentially outlawing noncontroversial things like fertility treatments, but wouldn't such a law just be selectively enforced by a conservative government if it were enacted? I mean, is there actually an anti-in-vitro lobby that would sue to enforce something like this?

No one would insure the clinics if this passed as its something illegal so they'd have to shut down.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 00:11

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Corrupt Politician posted:

I always hear about personhood bills potentially outlawing noncontroversial things like fertility treatments, but wouldn't such a law just be selectively enforced by a conservative government if it were enacted? I mean, is there actually an anti-in-vitro lobby that would sue to enforce something like this?

It wouldn't be enforced against anyone because it's far too vague to outlaw anything.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 00:12

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Corrupt Politician posted:

I always hear about personhood bills potentially outlawing noncontroversial things like fertility treatments, but wouldn't such a law just be selectively enforced by a conservative government if it were enacted? I mean, is there actually an anti-in-vitro lobby that would sue to enforce something like this?

Not only would it be impossible to get insurance, you have the power structure backwards. The state government couldn't force everyone to ignore a law; any local DA who happened to be opposed to IVF on religious (or whatever) grounds would be completely empowered to go after a clinic.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 00:14

Istvun: Apr 20, 2007; A better world is just $69.69 away.; Soiled Meat

Nintendo Kid posted:

Which leaks less? Old, sometimes half a century old, pipelines with little opportunity for full shutdown and refit + rail and road transport or new pipelines which will allow rerouting around the existing ones?

Actually, the really old pipelines are pretty good because when they were designed we didn't know about what sort of stresses they'd need to deal with so they were over-engineered to hell and back.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 01:04

fade5: May 31, 2012; by exmarx

Istvun posted:

Actually, the really old pipelines are pretty good because when they were designed we didn't know about what sort of stresses they'd need to deal with so they were over-engineered to hell and back.

See also the Mars Opportunity Rover, which is on Sol [Martian day] 3821 of its 90 Sol mission, has cover a distance of 40.78 Kilometers of its expected 0.600 Kilometer range on Mars, and has survived multiple massive Martian dust storms that were supposed to leave its solar panels coated with dust and kill it.

See also Voyager 1 and 2, which were launched in 1976 and are not only still transmitting data, they're bringing back data about the edge of our solar system.

What I'm trying to say is that NASA is the king of over-engineering, and that they should be in charge of the Keystone XL pipeline, and over-engineer it to hell. :colbert:

# ? Oct 24, 2014 01:29

WhiskeyJuvenile: Feb 15, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo

fade5 posted:

See also the Mars Opportunity Rover, which is on Sol [Martian day] 3821 of its 90 Sol mission, has cover a distance of 40.78 Kilometers of its expected 0.600 Kilometer range on Mars, and has survived multiple massive Martian dust storms that were supposed to leave its solar panels coated with dust and kill it.

See also Voyager 1 and 2, which were launched in 1976 and are not only still transmitting data, they're bringing back data about the edge of our solar system.

What I'm trying to say is that NASA is the king of over-engineering, and that they should be in charge of the Keystone XL pipeline, and over-engineer it to hell.

totally

# ? Oct 24, 2014 01:47

Nintendo Kid: Aug 4, 2011; by Smythe

Istvun posted:

Actually, the really old pipelines are pretty good because when they were designed we didn't know about what sort of stresses they'd need to deal with so they were over-engineered to hell and back.

So are modern pipelines.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 02:04

ComradeCosmobot: Dec 4, 2004; USPOL July

FlamingLiberal posted:

This has been getting absolutely no attention on a national level, but North Dakota's Amendment 1 is a stealth 'Personhood Amendment' that is so vague it could force in-vitro fertilization clinics to close down. Polling right now shows it has enough support to pass.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/10/23/3583437/north-dakota-personhood-ballot/

Good to hear. That means we should finally get that 5-4 decision overturning Roe v. Wade within 5 years.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 03:13

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In Massachusetts, a Boston Globe poll has Charlie Baker up 9(!) points over Martha Coakley. http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/10/23/baker-pulling-away-from-coakley-new-poll/t1UAIVNm4FWE9i31bf6YTM/story.html

It's gonna happen again, isn't it? :sigh:

# ? Oct 24, 2014 10:28

FMguru: Sep 10, 2003; peed on;
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TPM has a nice piece up on the implosion of the GOP's once-strong chances to pick off a Democratic Senate seat in Oregon:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/monica-wehby-collapse-oregon

quote:

The Spectacular Implosion Of The GOP's Senate Hopes In Oregon

BySahil Kapur
Published October 24, 2014, 6:00 AM EDT 1157 views

Oregon Sen. Jeff Merkley really did not want to run against Monica Wehby.

She had the r�sum� of a formidable challenger: a pediatric neurosurgeon, a pro-choice mom in socially liberal Oregon, and a Republican woman to rebut the Democratic talking point about a GOP "war on women." The subject of a friendly front-page New York Times profile in March, she went on to attract accolades from Mitt Romney and national Republicans, and outside money from conservative entities like the Koch brothers.

Another reason the first-term senator was concerned: his favorable ratings were hardly stellar.

"He polls like a generic Democrat. There's no great groundswell that Merkley is a great guy and we should reelect him," said Jim Moore, a professor of political science at Pacific University. "With a weakness like that, Wehby on paper looks like she should be a great challenger."

Democratic operatives set out to tarnish her in the primary in the hope that Republican voters would instead nominate a far-right candidate. They failed.

And yet, in a stroke of luck, Wehby turned out to be a dream opponent for Merkley anyway. Her campaign has � slowly and painfully � self-destructed due to scandals and stumbles, making the once-concerning Oregon race a rare bright spot in a slog of an election year for Democrats. Eleven days away, she's down 21 points in the latest major poll, and needs a miracle to win.

So, how did it all go wrong?

It started with a May 16 report that she had been accused of "stalking" her ex-boyfriend last year and trying to enter his house without permission. She survived the primary four days later; a week later, a report surfaced that her her ex-husband also accused her of "ongoing harassment" in filings to police. Then came revelations that her health care plan was plagiarized from Karl Rove's group. Pouring fuel on the fire, her new health care plan was also found to be plagiarized � from her former GOP opponent, whom she dispensed with by attacking him on health care.

Perhaps most damaging was her tendency to go underground when facing fire.

"The key moments were not necessarily the actual whiffs of scandal around Monica Wehby. They were her reaction to those whiffs of scandal," Moore said. "They took three to five days to come through. So something would happen and there would be a deafening silence. Or in one case there would be a flippant remark like, 'Dr. Wehby is busy in surgery saving children.' So even if the voters weren't following the actual whiffs of scandal, they certainly had a feeling that the campaign kind of disappeared when put under pressure."

"You can look at a r�sum� all you want � she's not doing the basic stuff you have to do to win a statewide race. Her campaign management looks to be borderline incompetent," he said.

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More polls with Nunn ahead today. Wtf is going on in Georgia?

# ? Oct 24, 2014 12:52

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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:

More polls with Nunn ahead today. Wtf is going on in Georgia?

One word: Atlanta

It's a growing and increasingly diverse and cosmopolitan city, and it's getting big enough that it's starting to crowd out the tradition rural-shitkicker population that usually dominates Georgia elections. Fast forward another couple of election cycles and imagine what that does to the GOP's chances of getting 270 electoral votes.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 12:57

HUGE PUBES A PLUS: Apr 30, 2005

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SFC posted:

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The Republicans are so fractured they're fighting each other, and yet they're still going to win the Senate.

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# ? Oct 24, 2014 13:28

De Nomolos: Jan 17, 2007; TV rots your brain like it's crack cocaine

I want Kenny Cooch to run over and over again in Virginia, and lose and lose and lose again. I want to see him run for Fairfax Water and Soil Conservation Board and lose.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 13:34

Mooseontheloose: May 13, 2003

Teddybear posted:

In Massachusetts, a Boston Globe poll has Charlie Baker up 9(!) points over Martha Coakley. http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/10/23/baker-pulling-away-from-coakley-new-poll/t1UAIVNm4FWE9i31bf6YTM/story.html

It's gonna happen again, isn't it?

Here is what I don't get...Martha has been going real hard this year, made a decent case for herself, and hasn't made any mistakes. This loving state.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 13:38

HUGE PUBES A PLUS: Apr 30, 2005

Meanwhile, the tea party in Michigan are this close to calling Rick Snyder gay.

http://thebainreport.com/governor-snyders-gay-advocate-puppeteer-wants-your-help/

Actually, it's Dick DeVos mouthpiece Greg McNeilly who's gay. I can't help but find it ironic that the tea party is screaming "HE'S GAY!" yet they have these graphics on their website.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 13:42

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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:

More polls with Nunn ahead today. Wtf is going on in Georgia?

She's still below 50% which means a runoff that she would have hardly any chance of winning.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 14:25

Slate Action: Feb 13, 2012; by exmarx

Nunn is not going to win, don't get excited.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 14:26

turnip kid: May 24, 2010

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/gov-rick-scott-wont-show-for-deposition-but-will-attend-fundraiser-instead/2203484

quote:

TALLAHASSEE � Gov. Rick Scott is planning not to appear today for a deposition in a lawsuit he filed in California to block the release of information about Google email accounts used by him and his executive staff.

Attorney Steven R. Andrews was prepared to put the governor under oath in Tallahassee, but Scott's communications director, Frank Collins, said Thursday that "there is not going to be a deposition tomorrow." Scott's lawyers asked the judge to quash the deposition but, as of late Thursday, they hadn't received an answer.

Scott is instead expected to attend a fundraiser at the Biltmore in Coral Gables, featuring former Gov. Jeb Bush, U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio and Lt. Gov. Carlos Lopez-Cantera.

However, if the governor is a no-show for a deposition in a case he initiated, it may not be without consequences.

According to California's rules of civil procedure, the governor must submit to the deposition today unless he has received the court's permission to change the date, said Walter Clark, a trial lawyer who practices in Southern California.

If Scott fails to submit to the deposition, the judge could hold him in contempt and make him pay damages, according to California law.

"You can't just not show up at a deposition and say we'll talk about it later," Clark said. "You have to ask a court for relief."

# ? Oct 24, 2014 14:27

Riptor: Apr 13, 2003; here's to feelin' good all the time

goddammit martha coakley

# ? Oct 24, 2014 15:22

Franco Potente: Jul 9, 2010

PPP has the Maine Governor's race tied

Goddammit, Maine. Sometimes, Dem is better.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 15:36

Pythagoras a trois: Feb 19, 2004; I have a lot of points to make and I will make them later.

Does everywhere have only poo poo human beings running for office, or is the US particularly good at scaring decent people away from positions of power.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 16:16

Ofaloaf: Feb 15, 2013

Cheekio posted:

Does everywhere have only poo poo human beings running for office, or is the US particularly good at scaring decent people away from positions of power.

A cynical person would say that political office and positions of power are not necessarily synonymous in the US.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 16:32

Jerry Manderbilt: May 31, 2012; No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

Apparently Joni Ernst is dodging the Iowa press in favor of softball interviews on Fox. Unfortunately, I don't think this'll hurt her :sigh:

# ? Oct 24, 2014 16:44

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

Apparently Joni Ernst is dodging the Iowa press in favor of softball interviews on Fox. Unfortunately, I don't think this'll hurt her

Dan Patrick has been making a reasonable effort to stay out of the news whenever possible (other than a modest dose of ad-strafing), presumably on the grounds that if he talks for long enough he'll say something horrible.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 16:46

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Riptor posted:

goddammit ~~martha coakley~~ MASS Democratic party.

Corrected.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 16:59

Gunshow Poophole: Sep 14, 2008; OMBUDSMAN
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So my buddy who works for ProgressNC has been having a ball squatting on candidates' domain names for state races.

https://www.mikestonenc.com and https://www.michelepresnell.com are both under their control and they loaded up a pretty decent-looking template for each of them blasting their positions on public education in the state among other things.

Mike Stone's been tweeting about it. A bona fide Liberal Hate Group�

edit to add: they loaded the site in August, the campaign has had it on their literature since then, and only just noticed. :laffo:

Gunshow Poophole fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Oct 24, 2014

# ? Oct 24, 2014 17:04

Amused to Death: Aug 10, 2009; google "The Night Witches", and prepare for

So there was another gubernatorial debate in CT last night, and unlike the other ones, this debate was actually aired by a major network station. Something was conspicuously missing though, namely Republican candidate Tom Foley. It wasn't Malloy sitting in an empty room though, tea party petitioning candidate Joe Viscotti was also invited and in fact attended, which resulted in governor Malloy in fact endorsing Viscotti

http://ctmirror.org/malloy-endorses-visconti-some-exclusions-may-apply/

quote:

Had he attended, Foley would have seen Visconti, a former Republican councilman and Tea Party activist, vigorously challenge the Democratic governor on fiscal responsibility and gun control, then write off Foley as a candidate too vague and too timid on the issues to be elected.

Malloy evidently thought Visconti made a good case.

Deadpan, he endorsed Visconti over Foley in his closing remarks.

�If you believe that I was wrong about guns, then this is the guy, Joe Visconti, that you should be voting for,� Malloy said, sitting next to Visconti on a stool. �If you believe that I�ve been wrong on some of the other issues Joe�s been talking about, then he is the person you should be voting for, not Tom Foley.�

Foley found an alternative venue, assisted by a rival station, WFSB, Channel 3. While Malloy and NBC gave Visconti 60 minutes of free television time, WFSB gave Foley a solo shot on �Face the State,� taped at their Rocky Hill studio to air Sunday morning.

WFSB says it didn�t intend to steal NBC�s thunder: It invited Foley and Malloy to each tape Face the State over the last two weeks of the campaign, and the show�s regular taping time is 7 p.m. on Thursday.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 17:16

Mr Ice Cream Glove: Apr 22, 2007

How many candidates running for senate are tea party "patriots

# ? Oct 24, 2014 17:21

Jerry Manderbilt: May 31, 2012; No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

whitey delenda est posted:

So my buddy who works for ProgressNC has been having a ball squatting on candidates' domain names for state races.

https://www.mikestonenc.com and https://www.michelepresnell.com are both under their control and they loaded up a pretty decent-looking template for each of them blasting their positions on public education in the state among other things.

Mike Stone's been tweeting about it. A bona fide Liberal Hate Group�

edit to add: they loaded the site in August, the campaign has had it on their literature since then, and only just noticed.

Does anyone remember noted leftist hate group 4chan?

# ? Oct 24, 2014 17:22

Amused to Death: Aug 10, 2009; google "The Night Witches", and prepare for

Pew has a graphic of potential voter demographics for this year

# ? Oct 24, 2014 18:04

Spun Dog: Sep 21, 2004; Smellrose

Nintendo Kid posted:

So are modern pipelines.

Nah, not really.

VVVVI linked an article upthread describing the shoddy construction found throughout the Keystone XL. They may be engineered to hell and back, but they are constructed by retarded monkeys.

Spun Dog fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Oct 24, 2014

# ? Oct 24, 2014 18:34

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Spun Dog posted:

Nah, not really.

You have a problem with ASME B31.4 and B31.8 or with enforcement?

# ? Oct 24, 2014 18:43

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

Engineering typically expects regular maintenance schedules and upkeep efforts to be made, but regulators don't have a lot of teeth to enforce proper maintenance.

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Jerry Manderbilt posted:

Apparently Joni Ernst is dodging the Iowa press in favor of softball interviews on Fox. Unfortunately, I don't think this'll hurt her

Having lived in Iowa, this might actually hurt her. People read the local stuff.

# ? Oct 24, 2014 19:42

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