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They are absolutely overreacting, but I deeply understand the frustration. I guess what I'm trying to say is FINISH THE drat BOOK ALREADY BUTCHER!!
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I uhh liked the night before Christmas short story that Jim posted. Anyone else?
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Dec 25, 2018 20:00
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I just finished Wisdom's Grave and wow. I thought it was a little abrupt in how it wrapped everything up but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Dec 25, 2018 20:41
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That Christmas story was great. Legit made me tear up a little
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Dec 25, 2018 21:50
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quote:Sympathetic pain flickered on his face. This is some crappy writing. It's like the author challenged himself to make the most roundabout expression in the fewest words instead just saying "he looked sorry for me".
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Dec 25, 2018 23:26
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:This is some crappy writing. It's like the author challenged himself to make the most roundabout expression in the fewest words instead just saying "he looked sorry for me". Cool story man, nice to see two words ruined the whole story for you.
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Dec 25, 2018 23:36
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No, you see " he looked sorry for me" is simply superior prose based on metrics which he can not and will not expand upon!
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Dec 26, 2018 06:28
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-Fish- posted:Unless you've somehow already paid him money for the unfinished book, it's entirely possible that you're overreacting just a bit. If you haven't paid him money he doesn't owe you a book. Chill out and read a different book. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to expect a "yeah, I'm still working on it" at least once every six months.
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rndmnmbr posted:I don't think it's unreasonable at all to expect a "yeah, I'm still working on it" at least once every six months. It kinda is. Like, I hate stories left unfinished, and there's no question that Dresden Files is a story that is both "of a time" and heavily dependant on forward momentum. As with all serial fiction, long gaps between installments kill reader enthusiasm. But, but, Butcher is not our dancing monkey. Whatever caused him to break stride, he's allowed to take his time or never write another word as he pleases. He doesn't owe us anything—not even an occasional progress update—and to imply otherwise speaks to an unhealthy sense of entitlement. Edit: not that it's good business to leave folks hanging, but either way it is his business and we ought to leave him to it. Like you said, there's plenty of other good UF out there these days so enjoy that and when, or if ever the next book comes out decide then if you're still invested enough to care. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Dec 26, 2018 |
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Dec 26, 2018 10:34
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Skippy McPants posted:It kinda is. If it wasn’t for this thread I’d have forgotten that Jim Butcher existed by now, and I read this thread for other UF chat.
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Dec 26, 2018 11:21
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On the other hand, if you have no intention of finishing a job you ought to officially quit.
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Dec 26, 2018 12:38
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navyjack posted:If it wasn’t for this thread I’d have forgotten that Jim Butcher existed by now, and I read this thread for other UF chat. Same biracial bear for uncut posted:On the other hand, if you have no intention of finishing a job you ought to officially quit. Nah
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Dec 26, 2018 16:19
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I just started reading Lies Sleeping and I'm enjoying it a lot so far. (Though I clearly have to start hunting down some of the ancillary material and/or reread the rest of the series again because I've completely forgotten, or never knew, a number of the characters and events described.)
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Dec 26, 2018 16:21
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docbeard posted:I just started reading Lies Sleeping and I'm enjoying it a lot so far. (Though I clearly have to start hunting down some of the ancillary material and/or reread the rest of the series again because I've completely forgotten, or never knew, a number of the characters and events described.) I enjoyed it a lot, which surprised me given how some of the more prolific posters in this thread did not like it much at all.
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Dec 26, 2018 16:22
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This whole thing about WHERE'S THE BOOK, BUTCHER has played out time and time again with various authors. The best rebuttal to it remains Gaiman's "GRRM is not your bitch" blog post from almost ten years ago. http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/entitlement-issues.html ConfusedUs fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Dec 26, 2018 |
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Dec 26, 2018 16:37
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ConfusedUs posted:This whole thing about WHERE'S THE BOOK, BUTCHER has played out time and time again with various authors. You have to wonder how embarrassed Gaiman is about having written that.
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Drone Jett posted:You have to wonder how embarrassed Gaiman is about having written that. I would assume "not at all"
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Dec 26, 2018 17:07
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Drone Jett posted:You have to wonder how embarrassed Gaiman is about having written that. Considering that it's still 100% in its description of the relationship between artists and audiences I'm going to guess that he isn't.
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Dec 26, 2018 17:16
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biracial bear for uncut posted:On the other hand, if you have no intention of finishing a job you ought to officially quit. Seems like somebody's not on the ball. The latest thing millennials are killing is giving notice to employers. The hot new thing is just ghosting.
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Dec 26, 2018 17:36
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"Don't harass or otherwise be unpleasant to authors who aren't writing fast enough for your tastes (or at all)" is a fine sentiment. "Don't dare to express disappointment or even have an opinion about a series of books you enjoyed basically disappearing without a trace" is dumb.
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Dec 26, 2018 17:43
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Have Butcher and Gurm been hanging out?
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docbeard posted:"Don't harass or otherwise be unpleasant to authors who aren't writing fast enough for your tastes (or at all)" is a fine sentiment. There's a big gulf between being disappointed and posting about the dude like they personally know him and calling for his retirement. Dude had a lot of really bad poo poo happen to him for a long time. Book's coming and everyone knows it. Folks need to chill a little.
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ConfusedUs posted:This whole thing about WHERE'S THE BOOK, BUTCHER has played out time and time again with various authors. Thing is, Gaiman's kinda wrong. The question was polite and he's coming down hugely harshly The fact is that if a writer ends with a cliffhanger and promises a sequel, and the book is marketed as one in a series, then a promise has been made that at some point the author will make a good faith effort to finish said series. Otherwise it should have been marketed as a one volume story, not a series with a promised conclusion. As long as an author is trying, Gaiman's got a point. And the internet is quick to assume bad faith. But, yknow, if the author has stopped trying, then a promise was made and has been failed.
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-Fish- posted:There's a big gulf between being disappointed and posting about the dude like they personally know him and calling for his retirement. Dude had a lot of really bad poo poo happen to him for a long time. Book's coming and everyone knows it. Folks need to chill a little. Why? Jim Butcher isn't here, he's not being attacked by this thread. This is no more than venting, and venting doesn't hurt anyone. Telling people to chill for posting here is meaningless. This is exactly where they shouldn't be chill.
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torgeaux posted:Why? Jim Butcher isn't here, he's not being attacked by this thread. This is no more than venting, and venting doesn't hurt anyone. Telling people to chill for posting here is meaningless. This is exactly where they shouldn't be chill. I like this thread and it sucks seeing people making GBS threads it up by wheeling out their best Doctor Doom impression to complain about an author taking longer than they want.
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-Fish- posted:I like this thread and it sucks seeing people making GBS threads it up by wheeling out their best Doctor Doom impression to complain about an author taking longer than they want. Sure, but it happens infrequently, and they have a point. It's frustrating as hell for a book to take a long time. They've got no right to the book one second before the author is done, but they have every right to be frustrated.
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-Fish- posted:I like this thread and it sucks seeing people making GBS threads it up by wheeling out their best Doctor Doom impression to complain about an author taking longer than they want. Look, it is a perfectly reasonable response to a book being late to steal the Horn of Atlantis and command all the folk of the sea to rise up before their new master, DOOM.
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torgeaux posted:Sure, but it happens infrequently, and they have a point. It's frustrating as hell for a book to take a long time. They've got no right to the book one second before the author is done, but they have every right to be frustrated. Like I said, being frustrated is fine. I'm frustrated with it myself. Jim Butcher is probably frustrated with it. But also it's the internet in 2018 and echo chamber frustration with content creators turn into real life harrassment on a regular basis. Folks are talking about the series "disappearing without a trace" like he didn't release a short story that ties into the upcoming book literally two days ago, or a short story compilation a few months ago.
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-Fish- posted:Like I said, being frustrated is fine. I'm frustrated with it myself. Jim Butcher is probably frustrated with it. But also it's the internet in 2018 and echo chamber frustration with content creators turn into real life harrassment on a regular basis. Folks are talking about the series "disappearing without a trace" like he didn't release a short story that ties into the upcoming book literally two days ago, or a short story compilation a few months ago. The worst thing anyone has threatened (which is not even the correct word) to do in this thread is to read stuff by other authors.
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-Fish- posted:Like I said, being frustrated is fine. I'm frustrated with it myself. Jim Butcher is probably frustrated with it. But also it's the internet in 2018 and echo chamber frustration with content creators turn into real life harrassment on a regular basis. Folks are talking about the series "disappearing without a trace" like he didn't release a short story that ties into the upcoming book literally two days ago, or a short story compilation a few months ago. Real life harassment is bad. It's not the inevitable result of people here bitching though, and the online bitching in a thread like this shouldn't receive the same condemnation. I went through the frustration phase. Now, I'm just done with the series. Not because Butcher failed me, but as the natural consequence of the delay. I've moved on, and my thirst for the next book has dampened....a lot. I'll still buy it, but I won't go back and re-read he series in advance like I have previously, I won't buy the hardcover AND the kindle, and I'm not particularly excited about it. I'm not rushing out to read the short story, either.
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torgeaux posted:I went through the frustration phase. Now, I'm just done with the series. Not because Butcher failed me, but as the natural consequence of the delay. I've moved on, and my thirst for the next book has dampened....a lot. I'll still buy it, but I won't go back and re-read he series in advance like I have previously, I won't buy the hardcover AND the kindle, and I'm not particularly excited about it. I'm not rushing out to read the short story, either. Yeah, that's more or less where I'm at. When (if) Peace Talks is released, I'll buy it, I'll read it, but the magic's gone. Short story was pretty good, though.
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torgeaux posted:Real life harassment is bad. It's not the inevitable result of people here bitching though, and the online bitching in a thread like this shouldn't receive the same condemnation. Yeah and it's not getting the same condemnation from me at least. Literal harrassment would be worthy of a little more than "y'all are overreacting and sound like doctor Doom, chill out" which is all I've said at this point. I'm aware it's not inevitable but it's possible, especially with nobody saying "hey maybe cool it a little, it's a book that you haven't even paid for yet". I don't feel like that's an unreasonable concern or an unreasonable response, but hey I could be wrong about it. Edit: Also I'll definitely say, after looking back the tone of the original post I was referring to reads a lot less severe after being awake for a few hours than it did when I'd just gotten out of bed. -Fish- fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Dec 26, 2018 |
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That Christmas story was great. Question though, I'm assuming (potentially spoilers for Peace Talks) the deaths they refer to are something that happen in Peace Talks, a book we haven't gotten yet? They say "peace talks", but it's weird to reference something that hasn't happened yet. I guess that means Molly, Mab, Michael, Mouse, Maggie (that is a poo poo ton of M names) all get out of Peace Talks alive?
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At what point does it become finantially viable and socially considerate to just find some up and coming author/fan-fiction wizard to just pen the whole back eight for him?
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M_Gargantua posted:At what point does it become finantially viable and socially considerate to just find some up and coming author/fan-fiction wizard to just pen the whole back eight for him? Schaefer, ghost write the Dresden!
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M_Gargantua posted:At what point does it become finantially viable and socially considerate to just find some up and coming author/fan-fiction wizard to just pen the whole back eight for him? Ah yes, the James Patterson approach.
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I didn't mind waiting for the next Dresden until you guys pointed out how long it's been. I guess I never realized he might never finish the series and some of you have already accepted the series' demise. That's a bummer but I guess I treat book series like video games in early access. Have I gotten my money's worth already? Hell yes so I don't care if it's never finished. Mind you, I do want the series to be finished, but I hope Butcher sorts through his many things to do and churns 'em out. I'd rather wait a long time for Peace Talks and then hopefully have a semi-regular release after once he finds his stride. At the very least, if we never get a conclusion in the 10+ books he's promised us, I hope at least the big metaplot gets spoiled at cons. I just finished Lies Sleeping. Man Kobna Holdbrook-Smith knocks it out of the park every time. Maybe it's because I just listened to Percy Jackson series, but boy Rivers of London is great. Some of you complained it was a bit too meta-heavy and while granted yes, it's also exactly what I wanted? I wanted the overarching thread to move forward and that book was it. I distinctly remember the thread complaining that The Hanging Tree did too little to move the plot forward. Regardless, Aaronovitch did a good job of reminding my dumb self what happened in previous books. It sure seems that the book series is winding down. Do we know how many books are left? Also, (mild spoiler) sign me the gently caress up for short stories/spinoff in Peter's Met in 5 years with bureaucratic nonsense for weird bollocks. Kind of the promise I wanted from The Rook, but with more mundane events.. Also, what the gently caress do I read now? I want something fun and light to listen to while walking the dog. I don't mind dabbling in YF. Maybe some dumb schlocky power fantasy? Percy Jackson was okay even if twice the age of the intended audience. Read and loved: Rivers of London, Alex Verus, The Rook + Stiletto, Libromancer (eh decent). I bounced hard off of Laundry Files #1 and Daniel Faust #1. Maybe I should give LF or DF a second chance?
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Xtanstic posted:Read and loved: Rivers of London, Alex Verus, The Rook + Stiletto, Libromancer (eh decent). I bounced hard off of Laundry Files #1 and Daniel Faust #1. Maybe I should give LF or DF a second chance? I think you should try Laundry again, but skip the first two books (Atrocity Archive and Jennifer Morgue). Kind of like Dresden, it doesn't really find its feet until the third book. Faust picks up pretty fast in book 2 and that whole universe is a rollicking good time except the first couple of Harmony Black spinoffs.
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Rivers of London is my favorite of the London urban fantasy genre. It's genuinely creepy, the consequences are extremely dire, and it's a drastic departure from the sort of power fantasy narrative that's prevalent in this kind of fiction. There's a couple moments where I was saying out loud 'Oh God, no, don't do that!' It is very very easy to bounce off though on account of a slow and confusing introduction.
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