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https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/818211927218417664 https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/818212512965492737 Paired with the first round presidential polling suggesting that Macron might beat Le Pen if Montebourg were the PS candidate, that's... encouraging, I suppose.
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/818211927218417664 Finally some justice in this (prospective) second round!
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Geriatric Pirate posted:(and to all the education posts) I see how from my post you could get the impression that I was going to make an economic argument. That was not the case. I am a firm believer that money should serve the people's interest, not the other way around. I praise education because it makes everything better, on a very real, day-to-day basis. Better educated artists make nicer artwork and design that we encounter in our daily lives. Better educated scientists make advances that make daily life better. I don't give a flying gently caress about who contributes what imaginary money amount to what. I want society to be better for everyone, and if everyone has to pay for that so be it.
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If there's something that European civilization needs more of it's definately less free hogher education. More restrictions on access to knowledge will save money which is very important because we need to give more money to the banks. I mean, how many billions do we spend in gross on all that poo poo anyway? Well however much it is, we're going to need a few more trillion euros to prop up the banks (in addition to the 4,5 trillion euro the EU has already spent), so let's start by making taking that money from those good for nothing leeches (universities). It's frankly disgusting how some people expect a free ride in these tough economic times and I for one am glad that reason is finally prevailing.
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eightpole posted:Sure why not i'll be moving to riga soon so really give me whatever u got
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Cardiac posted:The state does this already and they are called scientists. ,but what about the other 99% comrade Pluskut Tukker posted:You can make blanket statements saying that "The state should subsidise people who actually do lifelong learning" because, I guess, the general principle of education is generally accepted. But at some point you have to translate this principle into practical reality and ask whether this wondeful principle of lifelong learning, in the absence of a communist utopia, really should extend to full public financing of people's second master degrees. If your goal is to make more money you're only going to do a second degree if it's in an area with a substantially higher demand for/lower supply of workers and therefore it would be economically sensible to subsidise you to do so. Everyone else is putting themselves at a financial disadvantage just by studying for another 1-5 years instead of getting paid a salary. I don't see how people doing second degrees is ever going to be a meaningful financial burden on the state, because the only people who are going to go through with it are either doing it in subjects where it's going to contribute to the economy anyway (in small numbers) or because they really loving love the subject (also in small unmbers). If you think we need to prevent like a roomful of extra people wasting ARE TAX EUROS on second philosophy degrees I suggest you reassess your priorities.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Namarrgon posted:I see how from my post you could get the impression that I was going to make an economic argument. That was not the case. I am a firm believer that money should serve the people's interest, not the other way around. I praise education because it makes everything better, on a very real, day-to-day basis. Better educated artists make nicer artwork and design that we encounter in our daily lives. Better educated scientists make advances that make daily life better. "Apple makes nice products that people like and everyone benefits from mobile communications, therefore we should subsidize the most profitable company in the world"
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Geriatric Pirate posted:"Apple makes nice products that people like and everyone benefits from mobile communications, therefore we should subsidize the most profitable company in the world" Why the quotation marks 
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Apple products suck, which you would know if you were better educated. 
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Geriatric Pirate posted:"Apple makes nice products that people like and everyone benefits from mobile communications, therefore we should subsidize the most profitable company in the world" But this already happens through tax deals and such?
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/818211927218417664 none can stop the macron edit: saw a "faction mao-macroniste" graffiti in the uni today, hell, same
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Geriatric Pirate posted:"Apple makes nice products that people like and everyone benefits from mobile communications, therefore we should subsidize the most profitable company in the world" Despite what the American government is trying to force down it's populations throat, corporations aren't people. People take higher priority then organizations.
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Geriatric Pirate posted:"Apple makes nice products that people like and everyone benefits from mobile communications, therefore we should subsidize the most profitable company in the world" And corporations are my friends, people
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Sorry, I didn't realize universities were people
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Sorry, I didn't realize universities were people You don't subsidize the goddamn universities. You subsidize the people who want further education.
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Aalto is real, he's strong and he's my friend.
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Clearly universities should be more like Apple. The state shouldn't involve itself with funding state institutions because uh... Look, this is a bit hard to satirize, being such an absurdly retarded argument to begin with. I'm sorry everyone, I've let you all down. We really should defund the universities though. If they can't make a profit, universities have no rigght to exist.
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But universities should not be able to compete with private companies as that would be unfair. So universities should be able to make a profit while not being allowed to do anything to make a profit, as that would be unfair competition. If they cannot do this, clearly they should be closed down and we should all get our degrees from Trump University.
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Friendly Humour posted:Clearly universities should be more like Apple. The state shouldn't involve itself with funding state institutions because uh... Look, this is a bit hard to satirize, being such an absurdly retarded argument to begin with. I'm sorry everyone, I've let you all down. We really should defund the universities though. If they can't make a profit, universities have no rigght to exist. Ultra fun fact: Nuremberg University has a famous lecture hall called "easyCredit® auditorium". The 00s were a wild time to be alive. 
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Ultra fun fact: Nuremberg University has a famous lecture hall called "easyCredit® auditorium". The 00s were a wild time to be alive. Another crime against humanity left unpunished by Nuremberg.
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Tesseraction posted:Another crime against humanity left unpunished by Nuremberg.
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Namarrgon posted:You don't subsidize the goddamn universities. You subsidize the people who want further education. Not that it really matters because the end result of giving students money that they have to use on education is equivalent to offering spots for students at below cost through paying universities. (Or paying Apple to give us cheaper iPhones)
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Education was ruined in 19th century Prussia. Bring back the trivium and quadrivium and lets all just read Cicero and Horace and learn rhetoric. If you want to learn business science or management, just buy a loving self help book (which is what the textbooks in those courses are anyway) and teach yourself.
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Education is a goddamn human right and if anything it is not subsidized enough because not all students are self-sufficient, and many of them have to work in order to survive. All students ought to recieve a scholarship or some sort of monthly stipend, no strings attached.
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Shibawanko posted:Education was ruined in 19th century Prussia. Bring back the trivium and quadrivium and lets all just read Cicero and Horace and learn rhetoric. If you want to learn business science or management, just buy a loving self help book (which is what the textbooks in those courses are anyway) and teach yourself. 
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Look, if the state subsidizes university students then the lazy and shiftless ones who didn't have the foresight to be born to wealthy parents can get a higher education, and that's obviously some kind of moral hazard.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Look, if the state subsidizes university students then the lazy and shiftless ones who didn't have the foresight to be born to wealthy parents can get a higher education, and that's obviously some kind of moral hazard. Look pal, if you are poor you can always take out a 100k loan from you parents or a bank. Yeah, the bank is not going to give it to you due to the high risk of default, I know. So you just gonna have to petition your representative to abolish bankruptcy laws and make debt inheritable. Get yourself together and act like a man.
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Let's abolish the outdated ideals of the Enlightenment and go to the modern, efficient, rational, non-morally hazardous model of medieval China where education is reserved to a special hereditary caste of really wealthy people. Because, clearly, the alternative is just the same as giving everyone free iPads. Likewise, I would also suggest the dismantling of the road and rail networks. If people want to travel, they can just invest in a helicopter, can't they? The state shouldn't subsidize their transports. In fact it's high time to entirely abolish the idea of "society" altogether. It's always just a pretext for lazy shiftless moochers to steal the money hard-won by hardworking, admirable people such as rentiers, speculators, mafia dons, drug traffickers and hedge fund owners. Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Jan 9, 2017 |
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Are you europol enough to watch a debate between candidates for the presidency of the European parliament? If so: https://twitter.com/PoliticoRyan/status/818460124863983620 I'm at least somewhat engaged with European politics, and I have heard of exactly two of the participants before (assuming Verhofstadt accepts the invitation, that is).
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I can't wait to vote for the european president.
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Friendly Humour posted:I can't wait to vote for the european president. You kinda did in 2014, but the Socialists, in true Socialist fashion, are not true to their word and try to subvert the process of democracy by not sticking to their 2014 pledge to support an EPP candidate.
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GaussianCopula posted:You kinda did in 2014, but the Socialists, in true Socialist fashion, are not true to their word and try to subvert the process of democracy by not sticking to their 2014 pledge to support an EPP candidate. Don't ever quote me again you deranged weirdo.
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Any socialist who votes for an EPP candidate should just give up the pretence and go outside and murder the homeless until stopped by the police, who arrest them on charges of impersonating a police officer.
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/818211927218417664 le pen's gonna win isn't she?
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icantfindaname posted:le pen's gonna win isn't she? Give it another 5 years imo.
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icantfindaname posted:le pen's gonna win isn't she? No, not to put too much faith in polls, but they have her down like 65-35 vs both Fillon and Macron. I haven't really seen anything to convince me that Fillon is much better though.
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When you look at the political discourse, I think Le Pen has won for at least a year. Even if she doesn't win the presidency, she's succeeded at making her party mainstream.
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Friendly Humour posted:Don't ever quote me again you deranged weirdo. 
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icantfindaname posted:le pen's gonna win isn't she?
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News item in France exploring the possibility of Trump-like threats to the likes of Peugeot, Renault et all. That will go well considering the size of their market and the fact that up until a few years ago the Toyota Yaris was the most 'made in france' car on the market lol
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