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Factory Factory
Mar 19, 2010

This is what
Arcane Velocity was like.
They said that about porn in HD, but now we've got 4K porn and 40 megapixel images and you know what? Boners haven't gone away.

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The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE
It depends on the screen I think, and how good the scaling is. 720p on 1440p looks the best I think if you must use a non native res but I've always thought my blurays and even dvds look pretty drat good on my 1440p samsung PLS.

Civil posted:

I'm fine with my HD 5770's performance, and the 750ti seems to be a couple notches faster. I don't do online FPS and am fine with dropping my resolution. I'm just happy there are decent cards that don't require 6-pin power.

Asus's press copy made it sound like the strix was able to run on passive cooling only on some games. See the part about counter strike online.
http://www.asus.com/News/7CDAoJQiytUc1SLs

If more reviews end up saying this thing gets loud, I'll probably just wait and see if someone else makes a run at a fully passive card.

The Strix cooler is passive when the gpu temp is below IIRC 65 degrees. Any gpu running at its maximum capacity will exceed this, so whilst it will likely be fine on say, 2d indie games, I doubt it'd stay that way in much, if any, 3d stuff.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.

1gnoirents posted:

What's your temperature performance like with the H55? I remember the conversation going both ways on that. It'd be nice having a very quiet GPU with 780ti-level performance though even if the temperatures are only moderately good.

I still haven't setup mine properly yet with life getting in the way. My x40 fans go off a CPU pwm header lol, but even then I can rarely break 50*C. Although I haven't increased the OC since air that's still a solid 20 degree drat drop. I also have to figure out how to unlock the voltage to 1.21 on this. And debezel the monitor. Ugh

I get about 65c @ 1210mhz or so. This is with hot ambients and a 900rpm noctua p12

Don Lapre fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Aug 12, 2014

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)
Badass temps for what I'm going to guess is a seriously quiet setup.

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness
It seems I sometimes get tearing even with vsync enabled when I'm outputting to my monitor (DVI) and my TV (HDMI) at the same time, when I turn of my monitor the tearing on the TV goes away. Could there be something wrong on the software side or is this just a general vsync limitation?

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)
Are you duplicating the same image or extending? Vsync has pretty much fallen apart for me anytime I ask too much of it. That isn't very technical of course, but depending on your hardware and what you're trying to display an "easy" way to figure out of its probably a hardware limitation is just to turn your settings ridiculously low and see if it goes away.

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness
Cloning. I haven't tried lowering settings in graphics intensive games but I have experienced the issue with games that are not very demanding to begin with. The Wolf Among Us was tearing constantly at 59.9 fps when I had it cloned from Desktop (60hz) to TV (60hz), after switching off my monitor the tearing was gone, which is the main reason I'm wondering if it was some kind of inherent vsync limitation.

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)
As far as I know it hasn't been a technical limitation in a long time, like 5 years or more. Someone will know better I'm sure, but until then the easy test is reduce settings imo. If you go to the advanced control panel you can try changing global vsync settings (adaptive, etc) and see if there is change/improvement. After that, what does it do without no vsync at all? Do you use EVGA precision? If so, try setting your frame target to 59 fps with all vsync off (in game and global) and test in-game visual settings to where you'd like it and absolute minimum terrible low bad ones.

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe
So how many monitors will the new 880 support?

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Civil posted:

I've been using onboard graphics for a while, since I don't game much, and really want my PC to be as quiet as possible.

I saw that the GTX 750 line came out, with several cards that didn't require additional power, and even better, I saw that a company called Palit had a completely passively-cooled card.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/palit-gtx-750-ti-kalmx,27253.html

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like that will ever be available in the US.

Asus has a similar product called the Strix 750 ti, but it has fans, but tries not to engage them until they're needed.

http://www.maximumpc.com/asus_announces_semi_passive_strix_geforce_gtx_750_ti_oc_graphics_card

I recently got a 2560 monitor, and plugged back in my old HD 5770 to use DL-DVI, and while it works, I'm back to leafblower levels of noise. I'm fine with the 3d performance on it, but would rather cut the noise, and it looks like the 750ti would be faster anyway. I'm fine gaming at lower resolutions - 2560 is for desktop app usage.

Should I try for the Asus, or is something else around the corner, fulfilling my dreams of a silent computer? I can wait a while if something awesome is on the way.

1gnoirents posted:

Whenever the palit releases you can be sure to find it on ebay. If you're willing to pay a significant EU + resale premium for passive cooling.. the strix cooler looks far more reasonable a choice

I believe Zotac has distribution in the USA.

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)
Nice, looks like it was just released too

Civil
Apr 21, 2003

Do you see this? This means "Have a nice day".

Rastor posted:

I believe Zotac has distribution in the USA.

Oh, nice. I hope they also do a 750ti.

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy
If I have a Windforce version of the R9 290, stock BIOS, no overclock, and I manually set the fans to 100% and run Heaven with no framerate cap, is there any reason the GPU should be hitting 95c in HW monitor?

Edit 61c idle on a cool summer's night, that can't be right.

Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Aug 13, 2014

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)
Sounds borked. A fan is probably bad, not spinning, or going very slow. I'd say repaste it for the sake of it but I'd be pretty shocked if any 290 had bad paste already

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy
Well, I had another of the same model to pit it against, the other hit 50c idle and 90c with fans on auto. Guess I'll check the fans and maybe repaste.

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)
Fans do have wildly varying lifespans, its one of the few legitimate concerns with mining cards

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy
Welp, I popped it open and the whole center of the chip had the paste squeezed away from it. "Hmm, that's strange, there's no paste on the middle of the heatsink either."

So I put a single line of AS5 down the chip and sealed it back up. 40c idle, 78c max with the same exact test. You done hosed up, Gigabyte. Either that or mining for a few months somehow dries the stock paste out.

I've actually never opened a GPU before, the Windforce version only took me 6 screws and 3 minutes to repaste, super easy.

Rosalind
Apr 30, 2013

When we hit our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change.

I need some advice for next steps. My two year old video card's fan started making a grinding noise and overheating tonight whenever I launched a game. I opened the case and sprayed the fan with air which made that noise go away but it's still overheating. I tried reading some guides online but they devolved into some jargon and made me feel like I don't know enough to feel confident in what to do next.

This is the card for reference: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161406

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

Rosalind posted:

I need some advice for next steps. My two year old video card's fan started making a grinding noise and overheating tonight whenever I launched a game. I opened the case and sprayed the fan with air which made that noise go away but it's still overheating. I tried reading some guides online but they devolved into some jargon and made me feel like I don't know enough to feel confident in what to do next.

This is the card for reference: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161406

I assume that the fan is still spinning, so that probably means that the heatsink is full of dust. Under the big black cover is a heatsink with a bunch of metal fins that go the length of your card. Those fins are most likely jammed with dust so air can't get through. You can either try to shoot the dust out of them with the straw attachment for your canned air, or remove the card and take the heatsink off and pretty much do the same thing.

If getting all the packed dust out of the heatsink doesn't work, or the fan no longer works, you'll need to either remove and remount the heatsink with new thermal paste (if the fan is working) or purchase a third party replacement for the whole heatsink assembly.

iastudent
Apr 22, 2008

I just saw the news about the Gigabyte GTX 880 getting mentioned at Gamescom. Wasn't expecting to see a 8xx release before the end of the year but this could be a nice surprise.

Any figures out on performance yet? I was planning to grab a 770 but I can wait another 1-2 months if it'll be worth it.

Rosalind
Apr 30, 2013

When we hit our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change.

Rexxed posted:

I assume that the fan is still spinning, so that probably means that the heatsink is full of dust. Under the big black cover is a heatsink with a bunch of metal fins that go the length of your card. Those fins are most likely jammed with dust so air can't get through. You can either try to shoot the dust out of them with the straw attachment for your canned air, or remove the card and take the heatsink off and pretty much do the same thing.

If getting all the packed dust out of the heatsink doesn't work, or the fan no longer works, you'll need to either remove and remount the heatsink with new thermal paste (if the fan is working) or purchase a third party replacement for the whole heatsink assembly.

It turns out the fan wasn't actually spinning all that fast. It looks like it's sticking too far out of the housing and therefore isn't spinning correctly. I tried to push it back in with some light pressure but it pops right back out. When I push it back in though, it starts spinning normally for a moment. I noticed there's a spring on the fan. Is there any reason why I shouldn't just stack some books on that spring so it stops popping the fan out so far?

I don't see any other debris that could be causing the fan to pop out. There was a cat hair wrapped around the spring which might have caused some of the issues but I carefully removed it.

edit: Took the spring out. Carefully put the fan back in so it wasn't too far in but farther in than with the spring and sure enough the fan is working normally. I've had GW2 running for 15 minutes and it's at 63 C/ 44% fan speed which seems fine. Funny that a spring of all things can bring a computer to its knees.

Rosalind fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Aug 14, 2014

Welmu
Oct 9, 2007
Metri. Piiri. Sekunti.

iastudent posted:

I just saw the news about the Gigabyte GTX 880 getting mentioned at Gamescom. Wasn't expecting to see a 8xx release before the end of the year but this could be a nice surprise.

Any figures out on performance yet? I was planning to grab a 770 but I can wait another 1-2 months if it'll be worth it.
Here are some supposed benchmarks on a GTX 870: 1664 CUDA cores, ~18% improvement in 3DMark score over a 770.

KinkyJohn
Sep 19, 2002

It says "to be released in March 2015". that's a long rear end way away.

Eddain
May 6, 2007

KinkyJohn posted:

It says "to be released in March 2015". that's a long rear end way away.

The only news about the GTX 800 series from Gamescom is from some shady rear end site that has a track record of literally making up poo poo for click bait. It's literally the only article out there right now and every other site is using it as a reference.

If there were a Gamescom announcement about the GTX 800 series it would be on Nvidia's official site no?

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

All we have is rumors.


Here's a roundup of Maxwell rumors from wccftech.com:

Maxwell GTX 880 Gets Alleged 3dMark Fire Strike Benchmarks

Nvidia Quadro Professional GPUs with Maxwell GM107 Core Spotted in Driver Update

Nvidia Geforce Maxwell Architecture Roundup – GM206, GM204, GM200 and Maxwell Mobility

NVIDIA Maxwell Based GeForce GTX 880 and GeForce GTX 870 To Launch in Early October

Nvidia Geforce GTX 980M Mobility Maxwell Flagship Landing in October this Year

Maxwell Geforce GTX 870 Specifications and Benchmarks Leak Out – 1664 CUDA Cores and 4GB GDDR5 RAM

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 870 “Maxwell” Specifications Analysis – 13 SMM Units With 2nd Generation 1664 CUDA Cores

Maxwell Mobility GPUs Might Be On the 20nm Node After All

Nvidia GM200 Maxwell Flagship Landing This Year, New Kepler GK210 Core Inbound- Claims Research Paper

Factory Factory
Mar 19, 2010

This is what
Arcane Velocity was like.
The GM107 Quadro rumor isn't much of a rumor - Nvidia just did some refreshes.

SYSV Fanfic
Sep 9, 2003

by Pragmatica
My 7870 kicked the bucket two months out of warranty. I have a GT 460 to fall back on until I can get a replacement, so I don't feel rushed to get a new card. Is there anything on the horizon worth waiting for? The 7870 was pretty awesome, considering I had never spent more than $100 on a video card before that. I don't know if the extra detail and effects were worth $220 though. What is the cheapest I can get away with if I want to run last year's games on medium at 1080? I am willing to pay a little more, or go a little lower on performance for power efficiency as well.

Nothing coming out looks compelling to me other than Beyond Earth.

beejay
Apr 7, 2002

This thread is not the parts picking thread.

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy
Anyone know if there's some kind of spreadsheet or guide on reference/custom boards? I'd be interested to see if I can put say, a 290 custom MSI cooler on a 290 reference MSI board of the same brand, or put a 280x custom cooler on a 290 of the same brand, and so on. I take it one of the main problems is all the thermal tape won't line up?

Factory Factory
Mar 19, 2010

This is what
Arcane Velocity was like.
Look at the back of the board via product images on Newegg. Other than the PCB color, the reference board is the same across different manufacturers, so it's not hard to pick out which is the default. After that, you can look for a review of the custom cooler that does a teardown and see which parts moving can gently caress it up.

SYSV Fanfic
Sep 9, 2003

by Pragmatica

beejay posted:

This thread is not the parts picking thread.

Sorry, there was a link to this thread in the OP of the parts picking thread

Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down

keyvin posted:

Sorry, there was a link to this thread in the OP of the parts picking thread

Does anyone else kinda feel like we're a bit harsh when it comes to recommendations? While I am enjoying watching the speculation mount up around possible future card releases, it isn't gonna kill us to help people find a card that fits their needs, is it? Is the alternative of telling someone to :getout: and hit up the Parts Picking thread (which, as mentioned, links back here) actually saving time, or does that just mean that a graphics card knowledgeable person gets to head over to the Parts Picking thread and go on a possibly baffling tangent regarding which cards to get for which purposes?

I dunno, Movax, what do you think, is that something we could relax without overloading the thread, apart from the odd "you should get this card because it fits your needs" one-off? At this point, all the current cards on the market are SUPER well known from top to bottom, it's really quick to just answer the question instead of telling petitioners to take a walk. I dunno, just my thoughts, I understand completely wanting more discussion about cards and interesting stuff but are we so busy at the moment that we can't afford to take a sec to help a dude out?

In your case, if you want to stick with AMD, 1080p can be maxed for -most- games (not all, but most) by a 280 or 280x, and you can step up to GTX 780 levels of performance with the cheap R9 290s popping up for sale lately. Look for brands with a warranty or easily serviceable fans if you're especially skittish, but that's a performance monster and their running price lately is a huge anomaly on the curve. If you'd prefer to go with nVidia and buy new, GTX 760s are excellent performers at 1080p, and if you want used, there are some folks selling their prior 780s/780 TIs in favor of the higher 6GB VRAM models (which, by the way, is unnecessary at 1080p).

There, that took like no time to say and it's more info than they HAVE to have, too.

r0ck0
Sep 12, 2004
r0ck0s p0zt m0d3rn lyf

I agree with Agreed, this is the right thread for that question.

future ghost
Dec 5, 2005

:byetankie:
Gun Saliva
With a 280X I've had to go a little easy in the AA department for Last Light & Tomb Raider to stay above a solid 60FPS, but for the most part it's been more than enough to max just about everything else out.


Zero VGS posted:

Anyone know if there's some kind of spreadsheet or guide on reference/custom boards? I'd be interested to see if I can put say, a 290 custom MSI cooler on a 290 reference MSI board of the same brand, or put a 280x custom cooler on a 290 of the same brand, and so on. I take it one of the main problems is all the thermal tape won't line up?
This site is probably the closest to an easy reference for what you're asking:
http://www.coolingconfigurator.com/

If a full-cover waterblock will fit both cards based on that site, the PCB and reference coolers will be close enough to work and the cards' coolers should be cross-compatible. You'll still want to check the card(s) PCBs carefully since there may be some differences in VRM phases or memory configuration.

edit: 280X/79X0 coolers being compatible with 290 & 290X coolers might be a little trickier though, since there's a thicker mounting section on the coolers due to the built-in shim on the Tahiti/Hawaii boards.

future ghost fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Aug 15, 2014

veedubfreak
Apr 2, 2005

by Smythe
I put my waterblock from my 7970 on the 280x I got a while back.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
I rather enjoy reading the technical discussions and not endless pages of 'get x for y'

Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down

go3 posted:

I rather enjoy reading the technical discussions and not endless pages of 'get x for y'

And if it were endless pages it would suck, but it never is. And technical discussions happen here comparatively rarely, let's be honest.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
Hey guys I heard Nvidia has some new poo poo maybe coming out sometime, dunno when, the meaningless brand numbers might be 123 or 456 this time though!!! Also ATI might have some new poo poo too, sometime, guess we'll hear about it in a couple months or so?

Man, rumor is they both might be using 4gb of some sort of GDDR this time! Revolutionary! Let's keep this going for forty loving pages now, would't want to let this kind of riveting technical discussion get drowned out after all.

:chord:

beejay
Apr 7, 2002

Yeah let's make this parts picking thread 2.0 sounds fun. Hey should I get a 760 or a 770 for 1080p I just can't figure it out!

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Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down

beejay posted:

Yeah let's make this parts picking thread 2.0 sounds fun. Hey should I get a 760 or a 770 for 1080p I just can't figure it out!

Preferred graphics settings?

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