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Also, sorting out station poo poo was Kira's domain in the end and she had a pre-existing encounter with Odo where he refused to rat her out to Dukat as being a resistance member. Him having covered for the resistance was probably the clinching factor in him being left alone.
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hosed-Up Little Dog posted:It's this, The Art Of Star Trek, 1997. It's great! Thank you! Looking forward to studying Space Hooker™ design. 
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Jul 17, 2023 11:42
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alexandriao posted:Oh thank gently caress someone finally ganked Gowron
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Jul 17, 2023 11:44
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Worf with the zip gun in the ready room
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Jul 17, 2023 11:55
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odo always going after 'the real criminal' wouldn't placate anyone because the laws he was following were inherently unjust. so, the real criminal would usually still be a bajoran who would then be subject to draconian punishment. he's still the guy who arrested bajorans on behalf of their oppressors. but well, it's tv so sometimes you have to relax and enjoy the fantasy world where impossible creatures like the fabled good cop exist.
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Jul 17, 2023 12:03
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:odo always going after 'the real criminal' wouldn't placate anyone because the laws he was following were inherently unjust. so, the real criminal would usually still be a bajoran who would then be subject to draconian punishment. he's still the guy who arrested bajorans on behalf of their oppressors. but well, it's tv so sometimes you have to relax and enjoy the fantasy world where impossible creatures like the fabled good cop exist. To be fair, It's still probably a difference of "we have caught the guy responsible" and "We couldn't identify the perp, so we're executing a shitload of innocent workers as An Example".
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Jul 17, 2023 12:15
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Neddy Seagoon posted:To be fair, It's still probably a difference of "we have caught the guy responsible" and "We couldn't identify the perp, so we're executing a shitload of innocent workers as An Example". that would only make odo happy, because he's still arresting bajorans who committed trivial crimes who suffer disproportionate punishment. oh, this starving worker stole some food from a replicator and was executed, but it's okay because odo found the right guy.
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Jul 17, 2023 12:19
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:that would only make odo happy, because he's still arresting bajorans who committed trivial crimes who suffer disproportionate punishment. oh, this starving worker stole some food from a replicator and was executed, but it's okay because odo found the right guy. Arresting the right person still means everyone isn't living in constant fear of being the poor bastard who caught a guard's eye when they're deciding who gets picked as the perpetrator.
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Jul 17, 2023 12:29
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Arresting the right person still means everyone isn't living in constant fear of being the poor bastard who caught a guard's eye when they're deciding who gets picked as the perpetrator. Is that why Odo was doing it though? If no one else was going to be punished would Odo still felt perfectly fine collaborating? Pretty sure the answer is yes on that one. I mean of course that doesn't change how he's viewed but like I think he's ethical decision making was shown enough to show he clearly that law and order meant far more than people to him. I think he may of gotten slightly better about this in the later seasons. but not by much.
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InappropriateJazz posted:Not just anyone, it was Worf, right? Which, imo, draws some parallels to a high-profile politician getting stabbed by an angry incel with a roman bust profile pic. If I were Klingon I'd be more worried about how one of the contender to the chancellors got killed by the Federation's pet Klingon and then said guy's boss put Gowron in charge and then Worf offed Gowron when he got inconvenient to the Federation and installed someone else
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Jul 17, 2023 13:08
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Odo is highly problematic. Now Quark, there's a man with a clean conscience.
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Jul 17, 2023 13:21
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You're telling me that Odo's dossier said that he was appointed by Gul Dukat and both the Bajorans and the Federation signed off on him? The guy has dirt on someone for sure.
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Jul 17, 2023 14:29
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dr_rat posted:Is that why Odo was doing it though? If no one else was going to be punished would Odo still felt perfectly fine collaborating? I don't think anyone cared why he did it. Just that he did.
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Jul 17, 2023 14:36
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dr_rat posted:Is that why Odo was doing it though? If no one else was going to be punished would Odo still felt perfectly fine collaborating? They had a whole episode about how he hosed up an investigation and got three innocent people killed during the Occupation and it ate at him for years until he finally snapped and pulled a runabout full of people into an ad hoc link to relive the trauma. Red Forman was in it.
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Jul 17, 2023 14:41
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McSpanky posted:They had a whole episode about how he hosed up an investigation and got three innocent people killed during the Occupation and it ate at him for years until he finally snapped and pulled a runabout full of people into an ad hoc link to relive the trauma. Red Forman was in it. Beat me to it lol But yeah, even in-show they make it clear that Odo's actual track record wasn't as squeaky-clean as his reputation suggested
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CaptainSkinny posted:You're telling me that Odo's dossier said that he was appointed by Gul Dukat and both the Bajorans and the Federation signed off on him? The guy has dirt on someone for sure. Imagine keeping a Changeling as head of Security during war against the Changelings. Who have proven over and over how sneaky and tricksy they can be.
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redshirt posted:Imagine keeping a Changeling as head of Security during war against the Changelings. Who have proven over and over how sneaky and tricksy they can be. Yeah, let's use this Eddington guy instead, he seems on the up-and-up
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DaveWoo posted:Yeah, let's use this Eddington guy instead, he seems on the up-and-up He reads classic literature! Surely he can be trusted.
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Also, that rear end in a top hat Changeling Odo befriended who killed a Klingon on the Promenade. Swept under the rug.
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DaveWoo posted:Beat me to it lol Changelings are more concerned with order than justice so it's really no wonder that Odo operated so well within the Cardassian system
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Jul 17, 2023 15:00
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Watching season 3 of TNG right now, and "Yesterday's Enterprise" / "The Offspring" / "Sins of the Father" is an all-time great sequence of episodes I love how "Sins of the Father" establishes that Worf cares about Klingon honor way more than most other Klingons
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Jul 17, 2023 15:02
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Don't forget the episode where ODO was convinced the wife murdered that guy and then at the end Kira was like " LOL nope I murdered the gently caress out of that collaborater"
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Hollismason posted:Don't forget the episode where ODO was convinced the wife murdered that guy and then at the end Kira was like " LOL nope I murdered the gently caress out of that collaborater" Yeah, that episode and the Odo episode mentioned earlier are great bookends. They even end with similar scenes, where one of them wonders whether they can look at the other the same way again.
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Jul 17, 2023 15:09
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They should have focused more on Kiras insane back story of being a terrorist.
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Hollismason posted:They should have focused more on Kiras insane back story of being a terrorist. Excuse me, that's freedom fighter.
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God I loved Kira. Such a badass. That said, she should never have served on the Defiant in any official capacity.
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I liked all the episodes where people from Kiras past show up and then she's like " Whoops yea we.killed some folks"
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Hollismason posted:I liked all the episodes where people from Kiras past show up and then she's like " Whoops yea we.killed
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Hollismason posted:I liked all the episodes where people from Kiras past show up and then she's like " Whoops yea we.killed some folks" lol in season 7 when she's leading the Cardassian resistance movement and that one guy is constantly like "whoa now, that's a bridge too far!"
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I'd blow up a Cardassian transport for her.
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Twice a season, Kira gets a thousand-yard stare and flashes back to something horrible she did 20 years ago. The crew has discovered a huge explosive hidden in a cargo bay Dax: A payload of this magnitude could kill thousands! Kira staring at the ceiling, remembering the time she build a bomb like this to do Bajoran 9/11: 6,481 to be exact
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PostNouveau posted:The crew has discovered a huge explosive hidden in a cargo bay
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I have obtained "The Jacket" by the way. And coupled with my TNG Captain shirt I am ready for a Comic Con!
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redshirt posted:Odo is highly problematic. Day what you will about the tenets of the Rules of Acquisition, but at least it's an ethos.
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I wish DS9 went on for a few more years because I wanna see what would happen to Kira’s character in episodes produced after 9/11
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redshirt posted:God I loved Kira. Such a badass. That said, she should never have served on the Defiant in any official capacity. They were going to have that as a plot point in the Valiant episode, where she would have been the one accompanying Nog, with the tension being that she knew that the Red Squad cadets were nuts and going to get themselves killed, but had no official authority over them. Until the writers realised she wouldn't have put up with their bullshit and just phasered the senior cadets and bullied the rest into giving her control of the ship. So instead it became Jake/Nog.
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CaptainSkinny posted:You're telling me that Odo's dossier said that he was appointed by Gul Dukat and both the Bajorans and the Federation signed off on him? The guy has dirt on someone for sure. Yes. But it was completely in character for Gul Dukat to appoint someone he thought the Bajorans would like only to get angry that they didn't suddenly stop all resistance activity and bow down and thank him for his generosity.
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Tigey posted:They were going to have that as a plot point in the Valiant episode, where she would have been the one accompanying Nog, with the tension being that she knew that the Red Squad cadets were nuts and going to get themselves killed, but had no official authority over them. The "A changeling is loose on Defiant and it's hunting people" episode but it's Kira on the Valiant would have rocked
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