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Coydog posted:If my 250 is anything to go by, you might just be happy with that one for a while. Plus you don't have to fuss with carbs. it is a big step down in power from my VFR750 but also a big step down in weight. Honestly the VFR was more power than I needed for how I ride anyway. I also don't have to worry as much about cracking unobtanium fairings.
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This story kinda sums up why my fifth bike is an older gen 250. I think the backstory is his Hyabusa broke down and a stranger lent him their 250. http://www.pashnit.com/forum/showthread.php?1145-700-Miles-on-a-Kawasaki-Ninja-250-A-motorcyclist-s-review
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Aug 19, 2015 22:58
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That is the exact story I read a few years back that turned the ex250 from a bike I thought was ugly and boring, to one of my dream bikes. Really, I wish I had gotten this instead of an SV back in the day. Reading it again was enjoyable, thank you.
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Aug 19, 2015 23:26
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I feel like I'm really missing out now because every 250 I've ridden was either an impractical, intractable 4 cylinder screamer or a lumpen agricultural single. Hyoshit is a twin but it's sluggish and far too big and heavy so it doesn't count.
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Aug 20, 2015 01:38
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250's own, why people think they don't is beyond me
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Aug 20, 2015 02:23
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:250's own, why people think they don't is beyond me It's the same kind of thinking as "there's no substitute for cubic inches" some car jackoffs subscribe to.
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Aug 20, 2015 02:28
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There is nothing wrong with them for certain purposes... some just prefer something that will wheelie out of corners without even thinking about it.
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Aug 20, 2015 02:33
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Besides, the only proper 250's look like this:  And pull the skin off your face.
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Aug 20, 2015 04:18
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I want both of those very very badly.
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Aug 20, 2015 06:15
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darth cookie posted:I want both of those very very badly. So loving bad. 
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Aug 20, 2015 06:31
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sofullofhate posted:So loving bad. It wasn't until relatively recently that they reformed the learner motorcycle scheme in Australia. It used to be the rule that you couldn't ride anything bigger than 250cc as a learner until you got your full licence. Which was fine if a little awkward for the tall or flabby... until you factored in those insane crotch rockets. It was nuts. Also ridiculously dangerous. Fortunately they reformed it to ban those mad 250's and based it on a power to weight formula with a maximum capacity of 660 cc. Much more sensible (though I bought a 250 ninja as a first bike since it was still the nicest option at the time.) Wouldn't mind riding one of those now though.
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Aug 20, 2015 07:09
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they are fun to ride the poo poo out of. WOT constantly. I get 35 mpg on my 250.b That said i love my 600 standard. 100 hp standard with a 250-300 backup is the key poo poo.
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Aug 20, 2015 08:13
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Slavvy posted:I feel like I'm really missing out now because every 250 I've ridden was either an impractical, intractable 4 cylinder screamer or a lumpen agricultural single. Hyoshit is a twin but it's sluggish and far too big and heavy so it doesn't count. Here's a 250 for you: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/mcy/.html E: on the other hand, here is some much neglected love: http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/mcy/5181196015.html
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Aug 20, 2015 08:48
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darth cookie posted:It wasn't until relatively recently that they reformed the learner motorcycle scheme in Australia. The RGV performs as advertised but has a laughably poorly designed engine that has a habit of eating it's own valves. The honda is somewhat worse in every way (honda) but much more reliable and sensibly built (honda). Got no experience with TZR's or whatever the kawasaki equivalent is because they're much, much rarer. The pick of the bunch for me would definitely be a VJ22 RGV with the USD's and the banana swingarm, or an SSA NSR just for the looks. HotCanadianChick posted:Here's a 250 for you: 
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Aug 20, 2015 09:33
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Slavvy posted:The RGV performs as advertised but has a laughably poorly designed engine that has a habit of eating it's own valves. Oh yeah, non stop valve problems on those two strokes
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Aug 20, 2015 18:41
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Oh yeah, non stop valve problems on those two strokes 
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Oh yeah, non stop valve problems on those two strokes Yes:   I don't know if it's vibration, or carbon build-up, but they're very weak and have a habit of breaking into bits and dropping into the bore. I've seen both RGV's and RS250 aprilias (same engine) do this, the only solution if you plan on tracking the bike, or even if you're just doing a major rebuild, is to get 'unbreakable' valves which are like $200 a pair or something ridiculous like that. Honda's vastly superior design (best picture I could find because they never break so nobody uploads that poo poo):  Rotating block on a shaft well down the exhaust port with no chance of dropping in by loving gravity if it somehow goes wrong. Educate yourself before being a smartass.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:56
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Holy loving poo poo. I was expecting some sperging about reeds but not that. That seems like one of those things that seems undeniably useful on paper... but Lucas Electric IRL
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Aug 20, 2015 20:14
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 My new bike. Quite a difference to my old ER5.
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Aug 20, 2015 20:26
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Letmebefrank posted:
That is one of the best condition (and best looking) CB1000's I've ever seen. If you can, lose the giant can and plate mount. It looks a thousand times better without them. 
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Aug 20, 2015 20:30
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:Holy loving poo poo. They work extremely well in non-Suzuki form, they effectively delay the exhaust port opening and make it smaller which, through 2T voodoo, brings back some of the 'missing' bottom end torque caused by having a really aggressive expansion chamber design. All of the race rep 250's have it in some form.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:03
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Slavvy posted:Yes: I was loving with you bro, they're called powervalves to avoid that sort of confusion. Thanks for the Wikipedia dump tho.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:46
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Slavvy posted:They work extremely well in non-Suzuki form, they effectively delay the exhaust port opening and make it smaller which, through 2T voodoo, brings back some of the 'missing' bottom end torque caused by having a really aggressive expansion chamber design. All of the race rep 250's have it in some form. 125s too. The Aprilia ones (present on both the Rotax-engined 125s and the Suzuki-engined 250s) are more like a guillotine blade that fails safe but don't provide as good an effect because they increase turbulence. If all you care about is getting as much power as possible over as wide a range as possible the Suzuki design makes sense (it does also allow more peak power because the blade-type valves partially obstruct flow even when open)
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Aug 20, 2015 22:43
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I was loving with you bro, they're called powervalves to avoid that sort of confusion. Thanks for the Wikipedia dump tho. Yeah there's no way you were just being a thoughtless dickhead or anything. goddamnedtwisto posted:125s too. The Aprilia ones (present on both the Rotax-engined 125s and the Suzuki-engined 250s) are more like a guillotine blade that fails safe but don't provide as good an effect because they increase turbulence. If all you care about is getting as much power as possible over as wide a range as possible the Suzuki design makes sense (it does also allow more peak power because the blade-type valves partially obstruct flow even when open) The 250 ones are identical to the Suzuki system (I know this from direct experience) and sticking unbreakable RGV items in there is a common mod, as are RGV barrels for reasons I can't recall (probably cost). They most assuredly don't fail safe 
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Slavvy posted:Yeah there's no way you were just being a thoughtless dickhead or anything. Next time I will put more thought into my words about two stroke exhaust valve systems, and will take your internet feelings into consideration my sincerest apologies
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Slavvy posted:Yeah there's no way you were just being a thoughtless dickhead or anything. The Neras definitely had blade-style ones - I *think* the Nera coincided with Suzuki winding back production of the engine and Rotax taking over spares production so that probably explains the difference.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The Neras definitely had blade-style ones - I *think* the Nera coincided with Suzuki winding back production of the engine and Rotax taking over spares production so that probably explains the difference. Possibly, Aprillers aren't exactly common here (except for the mille which are EVERYWHERE) and I've never seen a nera, let alone worked on one. I've always wanted an RS250 but they don't seem worth the added headache (not to mention cost!) over a VJ22, and they look uglier. The asymmetric forks are, apparently, a huge pain the crotch to deal with too, whereas the RGV has some plain jane meat-and-potatoes forks which can easily be modified to a decent standard.
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Aug 21, 2015 07:59
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  500mi down on the turd. ohhh its fun to kick around.
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Aug 23, 2015 23:05
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Your suit doesn't match your bike. Time to go shopping.
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Aug 24, 2015 00:25
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It's been a bit wet and windy out the past couple days, but it finally got nice enough for a long ride:
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Aug 24, 2015 00:34
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mikeyio posted:It's been a bit wet and windy out the past couple days, but it finally got nice enough for a long ride:
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Aug 24, 2015 00:44
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Man I can't believe it but there's a cruiser I like the look of.
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Aug 24, 2015 03:22
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mikeyio posted:It's been a bit wet and windy out the past couple days, but it finally got nice enough for a long ride: This thing is pretty sweet. How's it ride?
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Aug 24, 2015 03:32
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Looks like it's trying to compete directly with the Bolt and the new Shadow
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Aug 24, 2015 03:32
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Digital_Jesus posted:Your suit doesn't match your bike. Time to go shopping. Next summer dude, Next summer.
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Aug 24, 2015 03:42
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:Man I can't believe it but there's a cruiser I like the look of. That was exactly what I thought when I first saw one. They have decent power, even!
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Aug 24, 2015 03:59
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:Man I can't believe it but there's a cruiser I like the look of. It's nuts it's taken this long for people to remember cruisers can be something other than black and chrome. (I still believe that black is the best motorbike colour but one of the points of cruiser culture is supposed to be being different from the herd, surely)
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Aug 24, 2015 07:36
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Black is always good, noone criticises them for black. Cruisers get criticised for chrome, deliberate (and now utterly false) anachronistic design and just being Really Crap At Everything.
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notZaar posted:Looks like it's trying to compete directly with the Bolt and the new Shadow I have the sneaking suspicion you have no idea who Indian is or where they were started. the brand is American and older than Harley and had numerous racing and land speed records with the original Scouts between 1920 and the mid 60's. They don't care at all about Japanese brands, they're aiming straight for Harley
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Well the name is older than Harley. The company hasn't existed since the 1960s. Polaris just bought the rights to the name. Or maybe they didn't have to buy it because it's so old it's public property by now.
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