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Yeah it's Bremen! Bremen is so loving good.
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I dropped Shishunki Bitter Change will they eventually turn back to normal?
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Feb 10, 2018 17:43
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Lube Enthusiast posted:I dropped Shishunki Bitter Change will they eventually turn back to normal?  The webcomic ended with them not changing back, the female lead in the male lead's body committing suicide, and the male lead in the female lead's body not quite ever getting over it even as he went on to get married and have a kid. The manga has gone in mostly the same direction but there's been a few big changes, too. Captain Invictus posted:I think they will swap back and then not really know what to do with themselves after that since they've been in each other's bodies for so long. My prediction is they'll achieve true love with each other and then swap back because of that somehow and it will be incredibly boring and disappointing. But I'm also a massive cynic. 
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Cuntellectual posted:The webcomic ended with them not changing back, the female lead in the male lead's body committing suicide, and the male lead in the female lead's body not quite ever getting over it even as he went on to get married and have a kid. The manga has gone in mostly the same direction but there's been a few big changes, too.
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Feb 10, 2018 18:01
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Tokyo Tareba Girls: Finally ended and I can't help but feel like the MC was too good for the LI like considering how poorly he treated her from day 1? I swear, the ideal ending would be realizing how immature their relationship had been and dating different ppl. Meh, I'm never happy w/canon endings too. It had it's great moments but ending felt lackluster compared to beginning and middle parts. I still recc'd it for having older cast and realistic problems. Hopefully more manga will feature 30 + y.o. FeMC living in cities and figuring out their lives.
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Feb 10, 2018 18:17
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Nate RFB posted:That's certainly...one way to do it. Certainly one way to avoid the 'overly saccherine ending' complaint. 
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Feb 10, 2018 18:29
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Cuntellectual posted:
I thought you were trolling me but then i googled it. yowza
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Feb 10, 2018 18:36
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I'm hoping whatever ending the manga goes with it's not that one 
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Feb 10, 2018 18:38
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Mainly my issue with those kinds of series moreso than the leering fanservice stuff is they're always super het when dealing with romance and they often get very gender roles/biotruthey when dealing w/ gender but if it's different maybe I'll check it out
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Feb 10, 2018 18:41
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Ain't no fanservice at all in Shishunki as far as i remember, and i guess you'll be glad to hear that the male lead's best friend who has a thing for the female lead doesn't care what body she's in.
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Feb 10, 2018 18:51
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DisDisDis posted:Mainly my issue with those kinds of series moreso than the leering fanservice stuff is they're always super het when dealing with romance and they often get very gender roles/biotruthey when dealing w/ gender but if it's different maybe I'll check it out Well at present the girl-in-boybody has a crush on guy-friend-who-knows who seems totally down for what from the outside would look like a gay relationship. Meanwhile guy-in-girlbody has a crush on the girl in his body and has already pretty firmly denied any romantic interest in a guy friend he made post-swap. My hope/prediction is at least one of them will transition once they accept they aren't switching back.
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Feb 10, 2018 19:19
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this is mostly for Dis since it's problematic lol Kuzu Seito to Stalker-sensei (nws) Guy gets disillusioned with his job (that I was not entirely clear on but it involved being a manipulative piece of poo poo) and to take a break he decides to pretend to be a high school student which works due to connections and having a babyface. His teacher stalks him (cw: there is rape & blackmail that the MC is extremely cavalier about, due to how he feels about himself [that it's karma b/c of how awful he's been]) and they end up in a relationship. MC ends up being pretty aggressive about what he wants (sexually) and also I like that the usual student-teacher dynamic is mixed up here since the "student" is actually older than the teacher.
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Feb 10, 2018 19:23
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Everything Burrito posted:Guy gets disillusioned with his job (that I was not entirely clear on but it involved being a manipulative piece of poo poo) and to take a break he decides to pretend to be a high school student *nodding*
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DisDisDis posted:*nodding* [12:27 PM] cat is typing: I was actually reading the last chapter of the main couple and the mc was riding his boyfriend and it was really hot and I was like oh dis might like to read this one [12:28 PM] cat is typing: but had to make an effort about warning off the faint-hearted since he's not here for me just to link it to
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 It's never too late
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DisDisDis posted:Mainly my issue with those kinds of series moreso than the leering fanservice stuff is they're always super het when dealing with romance and they often get very gender roles/biotruthey when dealing w/ gender but if it's different maybe I'll check it out I barely understand any of those words, but in the webcomic for Shishunki the male lead in the female lead's body ends up getting together with a guy. Lube Enthusiast posted:I thought you were trolling me but then i googled it. yowza Not at all.  HenryEx posted:Ain't no fanservice at all in Shishunki as far as i remember, and i guess you'll be glad to hear that the male lead's best friend who has a thing for the female lead doesn't care what body she's in. I'm trying to figure out if Kazuma is actually into Yui or if he just wants to get her together with Yuuta. It's been going both ways so far... ZiegeDame posted:Well at present the girl-in-boybody has a crush on guy-friend-who-knows who seems totally down for what from the outside would look like a gay relationship. Meanwhile guy-in-girlbody has a crush on the girl in his body and has already pretty firmly denied any romantic interest in a guy friend he made post-swap. There's still time for Yuuta to get together with Tachibana! They're so cute together, don't ruin this for me!!! 
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Everything Burrito posted:[12:27 PM] cat is typing: I was actually reading the last chapter of the main couple and the mc was riding his boyfriend and it was really hot and I was like oh dis might like to read this one Riding is good ^Uhhhhh well I thought about explaining myself better but I think my standards might just be way too high so w/e
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DisDisDis posted:Riding is good I was mostly joking, I try to stay out of the whole biotruths/gender roles/whatever thing because I always manage to insult people, regardless of which end of the spectrum their viewpoints are.
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Cuntellectual posted:
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Cuntellectual posted:I was mostly joking, I try to stay out of the whole biotruths/gender roles/whatever thing because I always manage to insult people, regardless of which end of the spectrum their viewpoints are. Tell me your opinions on gender roles
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DisDisDis posted:Tell me your opinions on gender roles I don't believe that gender sets things in stone, but I do think that men and women have tendencies towards different things. A given woman might be stronger than a given man, or said woman might even be stronger than every man who has ever lived, but the average woman isn't as strong as the average man, for example.
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Full Time Wife Escapist is fully translated now. I enjoyed it quite a bit.
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Can you link it? I tried looking for it but couldn't find it.
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Ah sorry, I meant it's fully translated officially. No one's ever scanlated it as far as I know, so you'll actually have to drop some cash or hope your library has it.
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Ah man, I'm probably SOL then since I don't live in an English-speaking country. Thanks anyway!
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Here's the first chapter at least if you want a sample, in case you find a way to import it.
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Cuntellectual posted:I don't believe that gender sets things in stone, but I do think that men and women have tendencies towards different things. A given woman might be stronger than a given man, or said woman might even be stronger than every man who has ever lived, but the average woman isn't as strong as the average man, for example. From what I've read of these kind of series the problems Dis is talking about are more "You're a woman now so you like men and also are probably submissive and non-confrontational." These aren't treated like tendencies so much as concrete facts of being male or female, like a character is male for 20 years and within 3 months of being female has had a complete change of character entirely due to the physical changes. What you specifically bring up isn't a problem in itself, it's more the view that physically weaker = completely helpless which is pretty prevalent in these kinds of stories too. It's also somewhat disappointing that when a series actually has a perfect platform to actually discuss these kind of issues they pretty much always fall into "biological males like women, biological females like men, discussion over" and the rest is just fanservice and misunderstandings.
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Yeah that's pretty much it exactly. Thanks
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@Dis: who is your favorite BL manga-ka? I'm always looking for new BL to read 
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Dire Lemming posted:From what I've read of these kind of series the problems Dis is talking about are more "You're a woman now so you like men and also are probably submissive and non-confrontational." These aren't treated like tendencies so much as concrete facts of being male or female, like a character is male for 20 years and within 3 months of being female has had a complete change of character entirely due to the physical changes. What you specifically bring up isn't a problem in itself, it's more the view that physically weaker = completely helpless which is pretty prevalent in these kinds of stories too. Oh, well then, Shishunki is absolutely not like that then! That said, I would be happy for the male lead to end up romantically involved with the guy who has a crush on him, but I don't think that's going to happen now, and it's more due to the specific two characters being super cute together. The female lead has also not expressed any interest in the male lead, so it'd be weird if that changed suddenly... The webcomic ended approximately 2-3 chapters after the manga's current chapter, but it's hard to say if there will be more arcs after this for the manga.
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Alder posted:@Dis: who is your favorite BL manga-ka? I'm always looking for new BL to read Prunus Girl is by strict definition BL  Well I think most of them have been gone over in this thread a lot (by me even) and there's a good chance you've read them so for now I'll just list authors and I'll list specific titles if you tell me which ones you're interested in. Haruko Kumota - immediately contradicting myself but Itoshi no Nekkoke was the second BL I ever liked and what convinced me the genre could be relatable to me as a gay man. Did one really awful story with a trans woman but also has a trans woman in Itoshi who's way better but I'll also let people judge that portrayal for themselves. Harada is definitely one of my favorites but I also hate a lot of her work. I really dislike the idea that people who aren't gay men can't deal with certain subject matter or have to stick to simple and blandly positive when writing about gay men and well, no one can accuse Harada of restricting herself. Zaria just has a great variety of kinds of men and stories that are mostly pretty short and sexy. Them and Harada stick out a lot among yaoi artists to me as drawing sex really well/in a way I associate more with porn and male targeted stuff. It's fucky. New series about werewolves and the mafia is shaping up to be a monster. Scarlet Beriko - Jackass! is really great but has age gap stuff  The one with the tailor is super good.Maya Mineo does stuff that isn't just romance which is pretty rare and all his stuff is super femme for femme old shoujo style which I love. The MI6 agent in Patalliro! is just a drag queen and I love it. His wife and two children are all ballerinas. Tori Maia also does super femme for femme shoujo style stuff but it's all very detailed and intense leather porn. Sadistic Boy is the first thing I read by her and it's the one that most powerfully deals with how violence affects and finds an outlet in attraction between men. It's also probably the most unpleasant of her stuff and has a weird age gap. Oh it's surprisingly one of my unicorn series along with Prunus Girl and Girls Love File that has gay adults teaching the children. (The mother of one of the main characters is a lesbian.) A couple of my favs I've only read one work by so: Honto Yajuu is just really fun and funny and nice. Blue Sky Complex might even beat out Itoshi in my favs and it's incredibly personally relatable. e; Oh and Hana to Ikkun ee; oh yeah if I had to pick one favorite I'd say Haruko Kumota DisDisDis fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Feb 14, 2018 |
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In trying to hunt down some of these I decided to check out what else the author of Copernicus' Breath had written since I read it in highschool and... she's the same person who wrote Dokyuuseii what the gently caress????????? My mind has never been so blown holy poo poo
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Look at this incredibly nice cover for an incredibly terrible comic gently caress you Harada
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Feb 12, 2018 06:08
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oh Hoshino Lily's pretty good too
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DisDisDis posted:Look at this incredibly nice cover for an incredibly terrible comic That's a really nice cover, but shame to hear that it's not good
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Addendum to my post: 2018 is the year of reading Jean Genet
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