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Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum

ROFL Octopus posted:

Jade spears, yeah. Multithrust, Party Pooper, Thunder Thrust and later Lightning Thrust. I love her spear skills.

Rab I found too weak with claws atm so I went heavy wands to maximize Zam damage and of course for Zing Stick.

Btw there is merit in respecing. Some panels have bonus skill points hidden under them that you keep even after respecing.

Is there a set pattern of bonus skill points or is it random?

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ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

Crabtree posted:

Is there a set pattern of bonus skill points or is it random?

Set pattern thankfully. Two you can get from the get-go are (spoilers for people who want to find out for themselves) Erik’s Agility +30 and Sylvando’s Charm +40. Both give each respective character an extra 10 skill points.

Saigyouji
Aug 26, 2011

Friends 'ave fun together.
Erik's absurd fake accent has grown on me, even it does stick out like a sore thumb in the sea of regular British accents. (Well, and that one oddly Texan bunny girl in Octagonia.)

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

Saigyouji posted:

Erik's absurd fake accent has grown on me, even it does stick out like a sore thumb in the sea of regular British accents. (Well, and that one oddly Texan bunny girl in Octagonia.)

Remember that Texan accent.

HPanda
Sep 5, 2008

Saigyouji posted:

Erik's absurd fake accent has grown on me, even it does stick out like a sore thumb in the sea of regular British accents. (Well, and that one oddly Texan bunny girl in Octagonia.)

It’s like if a 1920’s newspaper boy spent a summer abroad.

atholbrose
Feb 28, 2001

Splish!

Saigyouji posted:

Erik's absurd fake accent has grown on me, even it does stick out like a sore thumb in the sea of regular British accents. (Well, and that one oddly Texan bunny girl in Octagonia.)

I'm telling you, Christopher Eccleston has that same accent.

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

I wonder what Erik would sound like if he was voiced by an American. I think part of his accent's weirdness is that he's played by an English actor trying to do a very specific American accent and sometimes he slips.

ROFL Octopus posted:

Jade spears, yeah. Multithrust, Party Pooper, Thunder Thrust and later Lightning Thrust. I love her spear skills.

Rab I found too weak with claws atm so I went heavy wands to maximize Zam damage and of course for Zing Stick.

Btw there is merit in respecing. Some panels have bonus skill points hidden under them that you keep even after respecing.

Oh drat, really? I haven't found any of those yet.

I definitely see the value in respeccing, I just don't want to do it often for the sake of experimentation, at least not in the still relatively early part of the game where I am.

Also, when it comes to respeccing, I know that you respec one skill section at a time. But what if you used that skill section to reach a skill in another section? For example, let's say the hero learned Falcon Slash (in the Swordsmanship section) by coming up through the Swords section. If I respec all my points out of Swords, do I keep the skills I unlocked in Swordsmanship, even though I no longer have any "path" to them?

Harrow fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Sep 11, 2018

lets hang out
Jan 10, 2015

Harrow posted:

I wonder what Erik would sound like if he was voiced by an American. I think part of his accent's weirdness is that he's played by an English actor trying to do a very specific American accent and sometimes he slips.


Oh drat, really? I haven't found any of those yet.

I definitely see the value in respeccing, I just don't want to do it often for the sake of experimentation, at least not in the still relatively early part of the game where I am.

Also, when it comes to respeccing, I know that you respec one skill section at a time. But what if you used that skill section to reach a skill in another section? For example, let's say the hero learned Falcon Slash (in the Swordsmanship section) by coming up through the Swords section. If I respec all my points out of Swords, do I keep the skills I unlocked in Swordsmanship, even though I no longer have any "path" to them?

You do. It's great for Sylvando too because his bottom tree is amazing. I think everything there scales from charm. Hustle Dance is obviously great and That's Amore does huge damage though as a result he does like to spam it and burn through all his mp when set to auto. Respecing is so cheap it may as well be free, it's worth doing all the time.

Also someone just spoil me on where all the bonus skill points are hidden

lets hang out fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Sep 11, 2018

Saigyouji
Aug 26, 2011

Friends 'ave fun together.
Sylvando's Fuddle Dance made Tentacular a cakewalk. It hit every single time, and combined with Oomph and Sap, Erik was hitting ~600 Persecutters.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

Harrow posted:

Also, when it comes to respeccing, I know that you respec one skill section at a time. But what if you used that skill section to reach a skill in another section? For example, let's say the hero learned Falcon Slash (in the Swordsmanship section) by coming up through the Swords section. If I respec all my points out of Swords, do I keep the skills I unlocked in Swordsmanship, even though I no longer have any "path" to them?

Yeah, I went greatswords for my hero the whole game so far but I wanted to try out one handed swords. I made sure to grab Strength +25 before respeccing. I wonder if there’s any more pro strats with this, since you can essentially go “backwards” through the hero’s tree doing this.

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

Harrow posted:

Anyway, actual discussion stuff: what are people's favorite weapons for Jade and Rab? I'm guessing spears for Jade because she looks rad as hell with them and spears own, but I also think someone should be using claws. How's Rab with claws? (Yes, I know respeccing is easy, but buying/crafting good weapons costs resources so I'd rather switch back and forth as little as possible :v:)

I like Claw Jade because she has a high Crit rate, and with MP recovery items, you can spam Hawkeye (~2x damage, never misses) and Hardclaw (3x attacks aka 3x chances for crit for ~3.5x damage total). Hawkeye helps with her HP absorption better, which actually helps in a surprising number of situations, and Hardclaw just shits out damage, especially if you get multiple crits. With MP recovery, both are free or effectively free to spam. Admittedly I haven't compared this to the spear damage from Multithrust, so I'd love to see someone crunch the numbers to determine what does more damage.

I also like Claw Rab because he does decent attack damage and he gets MP absorption with them, which can also let him spam Hawkeye and Hardclaw. Admittedly, I don't really use him for attack magic, though, just Sap and Heals.

Harrow posted:

Also, when it comes to respeccing, I know that you respec one skill section at a time. But what if you used that skill section to reach a skill in another section? For example, let's say the hero learned Falcon Slash (in the Swordsmanship section) by coming up through the Swords section. If I respec all my points out of Swords, do I keep the skills I unlocked in Swordsmanship, even though I no longer have any "path" to them?

It'll only remove the skills in that tree. I did it with the Hero to get +25 Strength and then ditched Greatswords. The only exception are secret panels, which will also flip over if you respec out of one of the adjacent ones, regardless of which category it is.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost
Ah, so frequent respecing is encouraged then. Good to know.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

Elephant Ambush posted:

Ah, so frequent respecing is encouraged then. Good to know.

Yeah definitely, especially with how cheap it is. I also have a feeling trying out new combinations every now and then, even if you don’t have the most up-to-date equipment would keep things fresh and partially alleviate the difficulty complaint.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
After a certain point you can reset your skills for a fee at any church or statue. It's certainly worth doing.

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

https://www.greenmangaming.com/games/dragon-quest-xi-pc/

Is this site on the up and up? Because that's not an insignificant discount.

bbcisdabomb
Jan 15, 2008

SHEESH

Dr Pepper posted:

https://www.greenmangaming.com/games/dragon-quest-xi-pc/

Is this site on the up and up? Because that's not an insignificant discount.

Yeah, GMG is a good place. If you sign up for their email newsletter they will usually send out a second discount code for an extra 5-10% off new games too.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
GMG is where I got my copy. The downside to GMG is that it's outside of steam as far as purchases, so you can't use the 2 hour or less=instant refund ability.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
Ugh, there's a sidequest in postgame where you have to win a jackpot on the roulette wheel.

John Lee
Mar 2, 2013

A time traveling adventure everyone can enjoy

Broken Cog posted:

Ugh, there's a sidequest in postgame where you have to win a jackpot on the roulette wheel.

That ain't postgame, honey.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

John Lee posted:

That ain't postgame, honey.

Ah well, never noticed it before, still really boring.

Also (post game spoilers) I just decided to check out the labyrinth for a while, and there's even more content than I had expected.

HPanda
Sep 5, 2008

Dr Pepper posted:

https://www.greenmangaming.com/games/dragon-quest-xi-pc/

Is this site on the up and up? Because that's not an insignificant discount.

Yup, they're good. I get a lot of my games through them. The game is Steamworks, so they just give you the key on the page after purchase.

Kild
Apr 24, 2010

Dr Pepper posted:

https://www.greenmangaming.com/games/dragon-quest-xi-pc/

Is this site on the up and up? Because that's not an insignificant discount.

the sites fine until they run out of keys for a preorder and take 2 weeks to tell you.

tho I think they haven't had that issue in a while but im still pissed.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

mauman posted:

So, I've been messing around with a Spear Serena and I'm actually kinda surprised how well it works.

She's not going to overtake Jade (or the hero with a greatsword for that matter) but she feels on par or better than Erik during his mid-game slump. And if I give her the lightning spear that Jade has been rocking for the past 6 hours she does pretty good damage. I could go get 2nd spear I suppose if I wanted to.

And her healing doesn't feel as gimped as I thought it might be. Evidently Magic mending scores don't have as much of a dramatic difference as attack scores. Also let's her shine in a way since her healing feels surpassed by Rab right now (seriously, he get's multiheal FIRST?! She's supposed to be the freaking main healer).

And nothing says I can't switch to wand + shield for boss fights I suppose.

I like spear Serena. Currently at level 16-17 she does more damage then the MC. She has the +15 attack with spears enabled, and the spear dodge etc, so she is rocking a 7% dodge rate which is super useful for a healer. For enemies without much physical resistance she does great. Against enemies with physical resistance she has options.

This is on harder monster mode.

Nemo2342
Nov 26, 2007

Have A Day




Nap Ghost
The first encounter I ran into when getting to the Gallipolis region was a Magician/Wyrvern group (or Prestidigitator/Chimera with the new names) and it gave me such a huge nostalgic rush.

Marogareh
Feb 23, 2011
I like greatswords on the main guy too much to even think of using 1h swords especially with the counter move. That blade of ultimate power will just sit in my bag while I slam a slab of metal on fools.

Kiggles
Dec 30, 2007
Ran spear Serena for a long while, but she didn't have reliable damage options later down the line, so I spent heavy in her other trees.

Eventually dropped spears for wands, once shields with element resists started popping up. That stuff is top shelf, and resist on gear get better the more you stack. Provided, there aren't great options all around, but after Swoosh pops up, don't look back. The little bit of Magic Might you can stack from gear will add up, and shields help with just that.

She'll ultimately have a super bad rear end niche with spears, but there is a big fat chunk of time where she'll just be really underwhelming, and Shields + Wand is just the less underwhelming alternative since at least it will help keep her alive to fill support. Not much, but its something.

That's not to be down on Serena. She isn't exactly stand out, but I field her plenty often, because Buff is just that good, and her Hymns are legit, so she carries a ton of weight on hardmode.

Aside: Greatswords are the poo poo - but what's up with the idle stance in battles? There is a super boss idle in menus, and for a moment when hero draws his weapon he sort of pauses for a moment, holding it straight up which looks loving killer... but then he drops very sudden and awkwardly into one of those hypertypical slack shouldered weak anime posses that neither looks cool or practical, and services nothing but to poorly communicate "this is heavy... my feet hurt...".

'Fortunately' it's the same slack shoulder bullshit sword and board so it at least there isn't any need to deliberate. Idles are globally garbage, but at least greatswords have killer looking moves.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

Kiggles posted:

Greatswords are the poo poo

Cutting Edge is the GOAT

Ghosts n Gopniks
Nov 2, 2004

Imagine how much more sad and lonely we would be if not for the hard work of lowtax. Here's $12.95 to his aid.
Mid act 2 side quest complaint: One Last request by ghost girl. The stupid loving gravestone is in the middle of a loving field and not anywhere it would make loving sense. So loving stupid. I could have spent those 20 minutes in the motherfucking casino instead.

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:
Sneaked in an hour of DQ before going to work. Explored a new area, shot all the targets, made some new armor after learning a new forge skill and entered a new town and was immediately called a drongo.

5/5

sw0cb
Feb 18, 2007
Anybody know the best way to acquire mp recovery items in part 2(mid game)?

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


Anyone get this on PC?

How is the performance?

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

I did some testing, and Spear Jade with Multithrust definitely does more damage than Claw Jade with Hardclaw. Of course, Multithrust costs more MP than Hardclaw, so you're either balancing that throughout a dungeon or need MP regen (like her +6 MP/turn unique accessory!). Jade owns. I think she's my top damage dealer and having a self buff on top of that just makes it so much better.

Randallteal
May 7, 2006

The tears of time

Ulio posted:

Anyone get this on PC?

How is the performance?

I haven't had any crashes in 25 hours. I've been able to play at 2160p / 60 fps on my 1070 by turning shadows and a couple of the shaders to medium. Seems like a great port so far from my end. Ansel is actually really cool too. Makes me wish I'd waited for FFXV on PC.

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:

Ulio posted:

Anyone get this on PC?

How is the performance?

Game has been mostly solid on my Ryzen 1700/GTX 1070 Ti machine. There is some hitching when I run or gallop around the overworld. I did experience a single crash upon entering a boss battle but hasn't reared it's head after that.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
Post game spoilers: How is Michelle alive? I thought she died before the split.

Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy

Ulio posted:

Anyone get this on PC?

How is the performance?

I'm on a 9 year old computer, so I had to turn a lot of poo poo down a little, but no problems at all in 60+ hours. 11 of those were when I left the game running all day by accident and it was still fine when I got home.

Dr.Smasher
Nov 27, 2002

Cyberpunk 1987
Why does Slime Quest have 5 goddamn pages of instructions

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


Sounds like a good port by Square. They are hit or miss with their pc ports normally.

Saigyouji
Aug 26, 2011

Friends 'ave fun together.
I can safely say I did not expect a high school arc (post-Lonalulu spoilers) to be in the game.

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Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

I wish I'd gotten the PC version because I really want to turn hard mode back on, but I'm like 20 hours in and not about to restart :negative:

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