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on the bright side, unless I'm really underestimating Frank's personal popularity, if he actually is intending to stand instead of this being his way of martyring himself Birkenhead is so safe he's unlikely to split the vote enough to let in a Tory e: in 252 BC abantidas, tyrant of Sicyon is murdered by two philosophers at a lecture he's succeeded by his father who is assassinated the following year sounds like a pretty murdery place XMNN fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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XMNN posted:on the bright side, unless I'm really underestimating Frank's personal popularity, if he actually is intending to stand instead of this being his way of martyring himself Birkenhead is so safe he's unlikely to split the vote enough to let in a Tory didn't his entire constituency party no confidence him or abstain
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https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1035566438566772739 "Employer threatens to sack man who publicly resigned".
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learnincurve posted:Don’t forget he was expecting to join this new centrist party and his plan has backfired spectacularly to the point that it just split I’m not sure about that - Field’s Blue Labour has always seemed very separate from Blairite nostalgists like Umunna. He wants racist socialism, they want liberal capitalism. Certainly, I’d expect that as a hardcore Leaver, he was not exactly on their invite list.
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Darth Walrus posted:I’m not sure about that - Field’s Blue Labour has always seemed very separate from Blairite nostalgists like Umunna. He wants racist socialism, they want liberal capitalism. Certainly, I’d expect that as a hardcore Leaver, he was not exactly on their invite list. not quite, he wants Victorianism back again, a real "workhouses build character" sort of shitstain
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jabby posted:Would he be allowed to run as 'Independent Labour'? Wouldn't he have to literally set up a party in that name otherwise he'd just be called 'Independent'? Aren't there rules about using names that are too similar to existing parties? IIRC the "Independent Labour Party" name belongs to one of the unions now. You can put whatever you want in the description section (not a party name section as such, but the thing under the name on the ballot) but the Electoral Commission has rules about not using anything likely to confuse a voter.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:IIRC the "Independent Labour Party" name belongs to one of the unions now. You can put whatever you want in the description section (not a party name section as such, but the thing under the name on the ballot) but the Electoral Commission has rules about not using anything likely to confuse a voter. Ah, the things I do for UKMT - even if the ILP name isn't registered, he still couldn't call himself Independent Labour because: quote:Category 3 prohibited words are:
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goddamnedtwisto posted:rules about not using anything likely to confuse a voter.
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Tesseraction posted:didn't his entire constituency party no confidence him or abstain yeah, but they're all probably remain voting communists and Frank Field is obviously just representing the views of his sensible reasonable centrist constituents how else do you explain a labour candidate winning 77% of the vote in the Tory shires of Birkenhead 
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What legal case does Frank Fields think he’d even have? If Labour wants to kick him out of their party I don’t see how he can argue they’re not allowed to.
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Actions like that are presumably threats to allow more bad press rather than threats they might win.
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jabby posted:"Employer threatens to sack man who publicly resigned". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlIMmuMQozc
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If anyone in Newcastle needs someone good with SQL server databases/cleaning data for databases to employ as of November send me a pm
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Apropos of nothing other than me being behind on my contribution to UKMT animal pictures, I found a photo of my nana's old cat. I think he would make a better MP than frank field. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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Has anyone got a link to some solid, peer reviewed unbiased sources that show Jeremy Corbyn had a part or was a force for good in the peace process in Ireland? Everything online seems to be insanely biased in either direction and he's not mentioned once in books like Dirty War by Martin Dillon.
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Tesseraction posted:not quite, he wants Victorianism back again, a real "workhouses build character" sort of shitstain Read that as 'shitstalin' which sort of works too
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I mean he was a back bench MP at the time so, really, he didn't have much to do with it either way. He was willing to talk with the IRA but it carries minimal actual weight in terms of government backing which is ultimately what was needed.
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willie_dee posted:Has anyone got a link to some solid, peer reviewed unbiased sources that show Jeremy Corbyn had a part or was a force for good in the peace process in Ireland? Everything online seems to be insanely biased in either direction and he's not mentioned once in books like Dirty War by Martin Dillon. Hes not really mentioned much at all anywhere in regards to the peace process even by anyone here. His contributions to the Birmingham six and Bloody Sunday campaigns are notable but no one in NI had ever really mentioned him as a notable player in the peace process
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yeah i thought it was more mcdonnel and corbyn just wound up shaking hands and sharing platforms with a lot of them because he's besties with john.
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CoolCab posted:yeah i thought it was more mcdonnel and corbyn just wound up shaking hands and sharing platforms with a lot of them because he's besties with john. McDonnell even less - he didn't enter parliament until 97
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kustomkarkommando posted:McDonnell even less - he didn't enter parliament until 97 oh really? huh i must be totally wrong then, apologies
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OwlFancier posted:Apropos of nothing other than me being behind on my contribution to UKMT animal pictures, I found a photo of my nana's old cat. in awe at the size of this lad. absolute unit.
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Corbyn was involved in things like Troops Out and the Wolfe Tone Society in London p much from entering parliament, which isn't surprising because he's the bleeding MP for Islington North - a seat which had a v significant Irish vote, his direct predecessor was p much elected off the back of organised Irish bloc voting within Labour
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I think you can perhaps infer some ideas about what his foreign policy might be from his historical willingness to meet and talk with people that the government has made much show of refusing to talk to (while secretly actually talking to them) but it's not like he's ever been in a position to have a major impact on much for most of his life.Ms Adequate posted:in awe at the size of this lad. absolute unit. Riley was a very fat cat. Surprisingly so given he lived 20 years. I also found photographs of her dozens of dogs, ferret, and kestrel. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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Jose posted:i hadn't actually seen the start of this one lol 
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1035590909495312384 Antisemitism status: Public still don't give a poo poo.
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I seriously think this stands more chance of making antisemitism cool because politicians and journalists profess hatred of it, than it does actually achieving its intended goal of pushing labour or corbyn out of the running. My dudes of the established political class of the UK: Do not profess opinions on things unless you want the public at large to start holding the opposite of that opinion. Have you not realised this yet?
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So the Argentine Peso lost 18% of its value literally overnight after a huge IMF loan was negotiated, and there's dark tidings of impending crisis - lots of companies offering voluntary retirement, unpaid overtime, you know, the usual neoliberal bullshit. Feels like the 90s all over again which ain't good. Puts my complaining about the GBP in perspective I tell you what. Also that's generally why I dread to see any news about the UK getting big loans from the IMF. That's pretty much a big flashing red sign in my book.
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Pochoclo posted:Puts my complaining about the GBP in perspective I tell you what. For now. We did go cap in hand to the IMF in the 70s iirc
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I'm pretty sure many of them know and are using attacks on Corbyn as a cover to normalise particular forms of bigotry as a long term strategy. There's also a load of idiots and people desperate to maintain the status quo granting them immense profit, who are just jumping onboard because they're scared of the jammy grandad.
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Like I think actually, increasing antisemitism might be the plan for these zionist (not a dogwhistle for Jews - literally zionist) fuckheads. Fascists need enemies to justify their existence.
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WhatEvil posted:Like I think actually, increasing antisemitism might be the plan for these zionist (not a dogwhistle for Jews - literally zionist) fuckheads. Fascists need enemies to justify their existence. I don't think it's intentional, but they definitely think it already happens as often as the press claims Corbyn does an antisemitism. They really think all Jews should all live in Israel because they're in danger anywhere else.
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Is there a similar bubble in the Israeli government that means they actually believe their own bullshit to the degree the UK government does? Cos from outside it really is hard to imagine it isn't just cynical manipulation, in both cases.
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Incidentally, since someone mentioned Michael O'Halloran, he did actually end up standing for Islington North as Independent Labour (in 1983, before the current rules were brought in) after spectacularly losing the game of musical chairs that came about because one of the Islington constituencies was being abolished at the same time as the SDP was splitting.
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OwlFancier posted:Is there a similar bubble in the Israeli government that means they actually believe their own bullshit to the degree the UK government does? It's a lot more complicated because the government is 4-5 different parties with vastly different opinions on most things (woooo PR!). Some of them definitely do, and others just believe all Jews should live in Israel because of some religious zeal bullshit. It's all over the place but some of them definitely believe it. The bubble mostly comes from them being very well paid and previous professions that feed into politics are like that as well - journalism and politics. One of the best current MKs is Stav Shaffir who got elected off the back of being a leading figure in the 'Cottage Protests' (about the cheese, not houses) and does very well on financial stuff. Is also semi-left on the I/P issue but in Israel semi-left still means you're a foreign policy shithead so 
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We talk about Jeremy Corbyn like 90% of the time here. The only time we talk about Teresa may is when her robot dance routines go wrong. What does anyone think the meaningfully press average is?
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WhatEvil posted:Like I think actually, increasing antisemitism might be the plan for these zionist (not a dogwhistle for Jews - literally zionist) fuckheads. Fascists need enemies to justify their existence.
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To be fair though doing a silly dance and getting burned about Mandella are literally the only newsworthy things she's done since Chequers. Pretty encouraging that, tbh. At least when the next GE comes braindead swing voters will remember who our guy actually is. e: ^^^ this is why after the Manchester bombing I started giving a bunch of money to Islamic charities, because gently caress you global jihadists, you're not turning me into a racist Borrovan fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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NotJustANumber99 posted:We talk about Jeremy Corbyn like 90% of the time here. The only time we talk about Teresa may is when her robot dance routines go wrong.
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