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well Aquarium has gone, uh, places edit: dang that was a good book Lunchmeat Larry fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Jan 5, 2017 |
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david crosby posted:is that the one that's translated as "Whatever"? I've read all his novels, and that's definitely the worst one. Yeah, seems they translated the title as "Whatever". Thanks for the info, if it really is the worst one I think I'll check out one of those other books sometime.
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:well Aquarium has gone, uh, places and lo, a new member of the flock
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World lit class reading list at University of Rochester (by the Open Letter publisher guy)
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Burning Rain posted:World lit class reading list at University of Rochester (by the Open Letter publisher guy) Oh good, this reminded me there's a new krasznahorkai coming out next week.
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A human heart posted:He wrote a bunch of trot nonsense about how bad living under socialism was despite never experiencing it himself, and said nonsense is still taught in schools to this day to reinforce communism being bad. This but unironically (Stalinism is bad tho, as is Maoism)
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Twerkteam Pizza posted:This but unironically (Maoism was well-intended at least)
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So I hadn't heard about this and just read the wikipedia article about Orwell's list. Is there anything important missing there? Because it does not look particularly heineous and certainly nothing like snitching. I mean he just gave his personal opinion about which writers and artists he considered unsuitable for anti-Stalinist propaganda. [EDIT]: If I read this correctly it's mostly not even based on personal interactions with them, literally just his impression. The one person he deemed to be a Soviet agent actually turned out to be one (Peter Smollett). true.spoon fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jan 5, 2017 |
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Jan 5, 2017 20:08
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i'm p. sure he was anti-totalitarianism more than anything else. also, the Soviets hosed up Republicans - their supposed allies in the Spanish Civil War -, which probably didn't help either
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Ok so this may kind of stretch the purpose of the thread but in college I took an Arabic lit class and really liked the Naguib Mahfouz stuff we read. He, in turn, was heavily influenced by Hafiz Najib, who I can find practically nothing about online. Najib apparently wrote a lot of detective stories, and for some reason I am very very interested in reading them, does anybody have any idea if any of his stuff was ever translated to English? I should probably read more Mahfouz stuff, too...
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Burning Rain posted:i'm p. sure he was anti-totalitarianism more than anything else. Yeah, that was my point way up there. People calling Orwell a snitch or his ideology contradictory need to read Homage to Catalonia. I was referring specifically to his experience with the Soviet lapdogs who were supposed to be fighting the fascists but instead were mainly concerned with purging the Republican side---and the international press who either openly took Franco's side (e.g. the Daily Mail's fabricated stories about nun-rape bloodsports) or uncritically repeated the Moscow line that the anarchists and liberals were the paid agents of Franco behind Republican lines. There is nothing contradictory in his socialism and his hostility toward Party members, whom he saw (e: with abundant justification) as the mouthpieces of a foreign authoritarian regime. Eugene V. Dubstep fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Jan 5, 2017 |
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Jan 5, 2017 21:42
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Burning Rain posted:i'm p. sure he was anti-totalitarianism more than anything else. This is what I always say about Brecht too. People like to stick him on the Soviet side of the cold war binary, but he was mainly just highly critical of both capitalism and authoritarianism. So what if he took advantage of the perception and went to live in East Germany as a national hero - after being McCarthied, wouldn't you?
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Totalitarianism isn't an real thing, it's a generic term used to make fascism and socialism appear similar, when in fact they were organised along different lines, neither of which really makes sense to be called that.Twerkteam Pizza posted:This but unironically Stalinism isn't an ideology, Stalin was just a Marxist-Leninist. true.spoon posted:So I hadn't heard about this and just read the wikipedia article about Orwell's list. Is there anything important missing there? Because it does not look particularly heineous and certainly nothing like snitching. I mean he just gave his personal opinion about which writers and artists he considered unsuitable for anti-Stalinist propaganda.
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this is one of the best things I have ever read
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A human heart posted:Totalitarianism isn't an real thing I see now why you dislike Orwell.
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A human heart posted:Totalitarianism isn't an real thing, it's a generic term used to make fascism and socialism appear similar, when in fact they were organised along different lines, neither of which really makes sense to be called that. A human heart posted:You're dumb.
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A human heart more liek a human feart
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What TBE said what the christ? Yeah sure Marx-Leninism is a thing but there are people who unironically look up to Stalin as some sort of revered continuation of the ML tradition Also you gotta be joking with that hand waving away of totalitarianism
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okay I'm going to bodyswerve the tankie but anyone who still looks up to Orwell after reading his list of rules in Politics and the English Language has no business liking books
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just finished The Melancholy of Resistance and those last few pages lol wtf
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Just about to finish Goat Mountain by David Vann - thinking of the following next: A Reunion of Ghosts The Art of Fielding I Am Radar The Corrections All books that have been posted and discussed in this thread before but would be interested in the threads opinion of what to read next.
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me, i think george orwell is pretty crappy al;though i still fondly remember reading tropic of cancer in an edition with a 20 page forword by orwell and thinking it was some pomo prank mocking george orwell (only after finishing the book i found it was for real) my suggestion is to check out the good dalkey book imago bird by nicholas mosley (son of the leader of the british fascist party) which is about the nephew of the british pm who is hanging out with some trotskyiite teens clique and talking with his psychoanalyst about his stuttering problems
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Dead Goon posted:Just about to finish Goat Mountain by David Vann - thinking of the following next: Haven't read A Reunion of Ghosts but out of the other three I would say The Art of Fielding. What kind of story do you want to read next?
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Dead Goon posted:Just about to finish Goat Mountain by David Vann - thinking of the following next: Depends Corrections and Art of Fielding are more or less similar in themes and form. Corrections a bit more cynical, Art of Fielding a bit more positive. I Am Radar is a bit darker but also a little more surreal Reunion of Ghosts is the darkest given the subject matter but probably the most distinct of the four
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Cloks posted:Haven't read A Reunion of Ghosts but out of the other three I would say The Art of Fielding. What kind of story do you want to read next? Something dark so: Mel Mudkiper posted:Reunion of Ghosts is the darkest given the subject matter but probably the most distinct of the four Thank you both! [edit] Just looked at my stack of books and Reunion of Ghosts is on the top and The Art of Fielding is second! Spooky!! Dead Goon fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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the_homemaster posted:A human heart more liek a human feart This post completely absolves the last few pages of misery. Best.
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i really couldn't get into all that man is but i only read the first chapter with the two dorks reading henry james and ~living on the edge~, does it get better? also i read the vegetarian by han kang, which i'm liking less and less the more i think about it.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Depends OH i also forgot to thank you for the reccs on Reunion of Ghosts and I think you also did The Round House. Anyway they were both really good.
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Foul Fowl posted:i really couldn't get into all that man is but i only read the first chapter with the two dorks reading henry james and ~living on the edge~, does it get better? Yeah I think so, I think that first chapter is like making fun of pretentious youth who think that kind of poo poo. But I found the book kind of frustrating because all the stories are about (presumably, though I guess it isn't explicitly stated) the struggle of white men, which is like all of literature ever, but it's really well written so I read it anyway.
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Mel I'm starting The Snow Child which you recommended earlier this year. It's pretty good/bleak so far.
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Thank you for the recommendations, all
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ulvir posted:this year will be the year that I read krasznahorkai He is good. I read Seiobo, There Below which is about depressed middle aged men who have no solace apart from art. Also each story is told without periods which is very enrapturing. I am going to read War & War here sometime soon, after I finish Laurus by Eugene Vodolazkin (has anyone here read that? it's about a Russian doctor except way better than Zhivago (which is also good)). On another note, I am embarking upon a journey to read a book by an author from every country in the world. Anyone have any recommendations for authors from some of the smaller countries like Tuvalu and Nauru?
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https://ayearofreadingtheworld.com/thelist/ Also Krasznahorhkai is v good, liked War&War and I'll read some more of him this year.
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