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Apollodorus posted:Eh, I always assumed that’s a later interpolation by Zenodotus or someone. Odysseus going full Neelix seems more faithful to the oral tradition. The tradition is unrecoverable, the text endures. The point of the scene (and Odysseus as a whole) is that the hero is more than just heavily armed man-thing animated by passion. Joyce called him “the first gentleman in Europe” for knowing not to just hang dong here.
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bennyfactor posted:On the other hand, when you do come across the TNG font in the wild, it isn't where you'd think it would be The final frontier.
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skasion posted:The tradition is unrecoverable unless you’re M.L. West, of course
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Apollodorus posted:unless you’re M.L. West, of course 
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Sort of like how if you encounter Eurostile Bold Extended in the real world instead of a sci-fi movie, it subconsciously feels like you're in the future.   (Shamelessly stolen from https://typesetinthefuture.com/2014/11/29/fontspots-eurostile/).
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Knormal posted:Fish.
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I feel like a Star Gate font would be funnier for a fishing resort
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AlternateNu posted:There were two sets of kana prominent on the side of the ring. One was definitely the katakana for Yuri. The other was kanji but I don’t recall it reading as Kei (though I wouldn’t be surprised). Regardless, Kei’s name is usually written in katakana too. But that poo poo would be funny if true. Just went to check using youtube clips. On the side of the ring are visible the kanji for fire (火) and water (水), along with the katakana for yuri. On the surface of the ring is a big kanji for star (星). There's also some kana on either side of the star kanji, but I can't get a good look between the resolution and the red on black writing. Same with the banners on the outside - there's hiragana but can't pick out the full thing due to lack of contrast. On the chest of each outfit, there is again the fire and water kanji. In addition, Papa Riker has the kanji for sky (空), and Will has the kanji for earth (地).
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MikeJF posted:There's an enormous number of anime references in TNG in particular, the crew were weeeebs. Weirdly I don't feel like there's very much reciprocal Star Trek presence in anime in general, either references or themes or aesthetics. Daicon 3 is the only one I know of off the top of my head, and they were mainly just trying to get all the iconic spaceships in there. As opposed to like Star Wars or Alien that I more readily know of more anime references to and influences worn more on the sleeve.
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I would guess “American world state” was not an overly appealing future to most Japanese viewers, particularly not in the 60s when the war was a fresh memory. Like, Japan has more than one classic scifi show from that decade but the one that springs to mind is a story about how the Yamato saves plucky little earth from alien fascists who want to bomb it into an irradiated wasteland for them to colonize. SBY is 70s now that I think about it. But still. skasion fucked around with this message at 21:35 on May 17, 2024 |
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Powered Descent posted:Sort of like how if you encounter Eurostile Bold Extended in the real world instead of a sci-fi movie, it subconsciously feels like you're in the future. That's the Homeworld title font too.
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Wrapped up a rewatch of DS9 season 1. Freakin Kai wynn man.
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Bismack Billabongo posted:Wrapped up a rewatch of DS9 season 1. Freakin Kai wynn man. If only people had just given her exactly what she wanted all the time she wouldn't of had to stab them in the back so much. So misunderstood. 
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Powered Descent posted:Sort of like how if you encounter Eurostile Bold Extended in the real world instead of a sci-fi movie, it subconsciously feels like you're in the future. Goddamnit now I've got yet another thing to notice in TV and film
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Star Trek is actually Microgramma. It is literally everywhere, like Casio, Halliburton, and Embraer.
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Bismack Billabongo posted:Wrapped up a rewatch of DS9 season 1. Freakin Kai wynn man. And season 2 Winn gets even better! My child, they don’t even let me gently caress the orb.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Weirdly I don't feel like there's very much reciprocal Star Trek presence in anime in general, either references or themes or aesthetics. Daicon 3 is the only one I know of off the top of my head, and they were mainly just trying to get all the iconic spaceships in there. Dirty Pair actually has a few Star Trek references sprinkled in the background
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The show aired in 1985, a couple of years prior to TNG. (stupid forums software still only allowing one attachment per post)
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It's also worth noting that most of the anime references in TNG were really hard to see in SD, and often totally illegible. They're tiny in part because the art guys were sneaking them past the producers, who weren't in on the joke at all.
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Apollodorus posted:And season 2 Winn gets even better! I think DS9 would have solved a lot of problems if they just let Kai Winn gently caress the orb.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Dirty Pair actually has a few Star Trek references sprinkled in the background That’s the foreground.
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Kibayasu posted:That’s the foreground. lol
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:It's also worth noting that most of the anime references in TNG were really hard to see in SD, and often totally illegible. They're tiny in part because the art guys were sneaking them past the producers, who weren't in on the joke at all. Yea there's a lot of stuff (like the displays in main engineering) that has random greebles on that you would never see in SD
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It's kinda like how you weren't meant to see that all the writing on the buttons is just numbers and not actual words.
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How many of those references made it to the HD remasters? I know they changed The Neutral Zone so that one character’s ancestors weren’t the Doctor Who actors.
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(Six of) the Doctor Who actors and three of the Muppets, two of the characters from The Mary Tyler Moore Show, a couple MASH characters, Ginger and Mary Ann from Gilligan's Island... The HD remasters changed this family tree so it made more sense, and holy poo poo, did they up the references and in-jokes on it. Like, among others, "Jonathan Frakes Raymond" is one of that character's descendants. I'll just post the Memory Alpha link to the Raymond family genealogy here because Good Lord, it's a lot.
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nine-gear crow posted:I think DS9 would have solved a lot of problems if they just let Kai Winn gently caress the orb. That's the problem, she tried and the Prophets rejected her
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Is star trek anime? Or is it more of a super sentai thing?
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Prodigy, the Animated Series, and Deep Space Nine are anime Enterprise, TNG, Voyager and nuTrek aren't. TOS is like proto-anime
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Soul Dentist posted:Prodigy, the Animated Series, and Deep Space Nine are anime yeah but otoh they're wearing skintight color coded spandex suits and flying around in a combining vehicle that sells tons of toys, and meeting a new alien in a big rubbery suit every episode
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Wait how did I never know that the frozen people were on ship called the Birdseye, because that's loving hilarious
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Star Trek thievery! By Star Trek! From Star Trek! To make Star Trek! https://www.slashfilm.com/1582298/star-trek-the-next-generation-the-chase-deep-space-nine-budget/ Star Trek: TNG's The Chase Was Already A Struggle – Then Its Budget Was Stolen By DS9  quote:Practically speaking, there's a reason why most aliens on "Star Trek" are humanoid. Not only are they humanoid, but they all share very similar specific features: two legs, two arms, two eyes, one mouth, teeth, and/or hair. Many aliens look identical to humans apart from ridges on their foreheads or elaborate skin markings. This is because all the aliens on "Star Trek" are played by human actors. Very occasionally, Captain Kirk (William Shatner) might encounter a Melkot or a Tholian who were achieved through puppetry or photographic effects, but for the most part, aliens were played by Earth's boring ol' Homo sapiens actors. More thievery in the article. But you probably already knew that. Thief!
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Watching Enterprise for the first time, to stay in sync with Greatest Gen, and wow does this show look like absolute poo poo. Edit: Oops, my monitor's hull plating was polarized
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Tunicate posted:yeah but otoh they're wearing skintight color coded spandex suits and flying around in a combining vehicle that sells tons of toys, and meeting a new alien in a big rubbery suit every episode That's right, Trek isn't anime, it's tokusatsu
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CPColin posted:Watching Enterprise for the first time, to stay in sync with Greatest Gen, and wow does this show look like absolute poo poo. Enterprise starts looking a lot better when they added color to the show in its last season, the blue floor plates and more vibrant multi-colored blinking squares on the computer screens, Etc.
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I haven't actually watched Enterprise in a while but I remember it looking like a huge step up visually. But that was before TNG was remastered of course. Just having any TV show in HD was kind of mind-blowing still.
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The ship and uniforms definitely felt more "real" in the plausible middle future sort of way Some of the CGI looked dated immediately though
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Yeah the CGI can be lacking but it really shows that it's possible to do 24 episodes of Star Trek a year with all the grind of sets and props and budget and make it look decent. Strange New Worlds is gorgeous but I think I'd rather have 18-24 episodes a year of good looking SNW than 10 episodes of gorgeous.
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ENT had the most "these are garments that a human being could wear and use" uniforms in all of Star Trek.
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Sash! posted:ENT had the most "these are garments that a human being could wear and use" uniforms in all of Star Trek. No joke, Enterprise has the best uniforms of any Trek series. Shame about the rest of it though.
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