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Patrick Spens posted:Do you have a good one to recommend?
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538 is awful. Occasionally a headline sounds good but the articles are almost always bad. I honestly cannot think of a single time I read something I thought was great there. Grantland was great. I never read a single pop culture piece and I still loved the site. There was nothing better. I can't wait until 3 or 4 years from now when we really find out how turbulent ESPN is was right now. They're killing everything except First Take.
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C. Everett Koop posted:As opposed to yours which hasn't produced a burn yet. Burn rate means the amount of money they are "burning" each quarter without showing profit. Grantland was a vanity project subsidized by the network.
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Oct 30, 2015 19:55
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African AIDS cum posted:Burn rate means the amount of money they are "burning" each quarter without showing profit. Grantland was a vanity project subsidized by the network.
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Nathan Bernhardt @jonbernhardt I've got a lot of angry thoughts about this I won't air publicly, but one I will air is this: Grantland was killed by ideology, not budget. 2:06 PM - 30 Oct 2015
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Oct 30, 2015 20:13
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The ideology of hot takes uber alles
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Oct 30, 2015 20:18
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Sounds like some of the regional beat writers are being let go too. Scott Powers (Blackhawks) and Jon Greenberg (Cubs) got let go and wrote primarily for ESPN Chicago.
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Apparently ESPN isn't big on the whole "notification" thing:Jennifer Hayden posted:@BillSimmons I spent around 8 yrs at ESPN. Found out they sold my division when boss showed up at 8am Mon w/ new boss. Intro’d us & left
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Oct 30, 2015 20:22
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Grantland doesn't need to exist without Simmons. Good for ESPN.
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Oct 30, 2015 20:30
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fsif posted:Nathan Bernhardt @jonbernhardt I'm guessing the point being that the ~*big media dawgs*~ want to guide sports discourse down a more lowbrow, clickbaity, easily digestible path? I'd probably say that's a fair point.
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illcendiary posted:I'm guessing the point being that the ~*big media dawgs*~ want to guide sports discourse down a more lowbrow, clickbaity, easily digestible path? I'd probably say that's a fair point. I doubt they care very much what the content in, the only metric that matters is how much revenue it brings in vs how much it costs.
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Oct 30, 2015 20:39
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grantland traffic over last 6 months the site's been going steadily downhill for awhile now and it'll be good to see their talent on new platforms sooner rather than later
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davecrazy posted:I doubt they care very much what the content in, the only metric that matters is how much revenue it brings in vs how much it costs. Fair, but that's a sort of ipso facto situation, honestly.
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fsif posted:Nathan Bernhardt @jonbernhardt It's funny to me to see a goon's tweet getting reposted back to Something Awful. Great White Hope posted:538 is a really good site during Presidential Election season, and the most pointless site on the internet outside of it. Why anybody got paid to come with the idea of 'hey, what if we use 538 for non-election stuff' I will never know. The reason is because Nate Silver was one of the best baseball analysts of all time before he quit to do politics. But since 538 had to be a generalist site and not just focus on e.g. fixing PECOTA, it's been doomed from the start.
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ESPN basically wants Network to be a documentary. More research on concussions: https://news.osu.edu/news/2014/11/16/%E2%80%8Bdanger-of-repeat-head-injuries-brain%E2%80%99s-inability-to-tap-energy-source/ It basically says that a second blow after a concussion is really catastrophic in terms of brain injury. quote:Lots of data show that if two head injuries occur close together, it’s not like 1 plus 1. It’s more like 1 plus 10,” Weil said.
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illcendiary posted:I'm guessing the point being that the ~*big media dawgs*~ want to guide sports discourse down a more lowbrow, clickbaity, easily digestible path? I'd probably say that's a fair point. Grantland wasn't too different. Just more verbose and a lot of advanced stats stuff. And despite printing a hardbound volume (which is funny to remember) it was never gonna be Lapham's Quarterly. The thing about sports is people who played will always know more than writers and podcast people. You can only dance around that fact with quality writing so much. There are enough of their target audience, the 110 IQ types (see the success of John Oliver), that they probably could have been more successful if it was an independent venture from day 1. Simmons could have hired these same unemployed twitter people and made a youtube channel for free and would probably be making money or bought out by now. But he is too risk averse.
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straight up brolic posted:grantland traffic over last 6 months They did fire their most popular writer and hardly promoted the site during that span. Not sure what they expected.
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ESPN's Corporate Push: Undefeated Adding 20 Staffers While Grantland Closes http://www.theundefeated.com/ This site will cost half as much and get 1/10th the traffic that Grantland did.
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paperchaseguy posted:ESPN's Corporate Push: Undefeated Adding 20 Staffers While Grantland Closes And at 3/5ths the cost.
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Christ Pseudoscientist posted:James Andrew Miller @JimMiller 2m2 minutes ago The ESPN PR twitter feed keeps promoting these tweets as if it's some kind of favor they are doing to writers by honoring legally binding contracts.
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African AIDS cum posted:Grantland wasn't too different. Just more verbose and a lot of advanced stats stuff. And despite printing a hardbound volume (which is funny to remember) it was never gonna be Lapham's Quarterly. The thing about sports is people who played will always know more than writers and podcast people. You can only dance around that fact with quality writing so much. Scorching takes all around 110 IQ types, along with "if you didn't play you can never understand." Solid stuff, 5/5.
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Niwrad posted:The ESPN PR twitter feed keeps promoting these tweets as if it's some kind of favor they are doing to writers by honoring legally binding contracts. I think its less patting themselves on the back and more about countering the fact that many outlets are implying that they fired the writers.
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Oct 30, 2015 21:06
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I always thought Grandland was a great halo product for ESPN, sort of like the 30 for 30 project. Someone has to lend credibility to the brand.
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Niwrad posted:The ESPN PR twitter feed keeps promoting these tweets as if it's some kind of favor they are doing to writers by honoring legally binding contracts. I would think a lot of those writers would prefer a severance package and the freedom to go start work somewhere else immediately instead of probably getting buried and losing the freedom and specific editors they had in grantland (i.e. Zach Lowe won't be writing espn.com articles about mascots and use youtube links breaking down certain plays).
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Teddybear posted:Wonder if the contracts allow them to walk away on the shutter of Grantland if they want. I would hope so.
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BigBoss posted:I always thought Grandland was a great halo product for ESPN, sort of like the 30 for 30 project. Someone has to lend credibility to the brand. It was a great vanity product, yeah, but ESPN is hemorrhaging money left and right. The vanity products are the first to go. 538 is safe because it was an acquisition with ABC for next year's elections but there's going to be a lot more bloodletting in the coming weeks and months.
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BigBoss posted:I always thought Grandland was a great halo product for ESPN, sort of like the 30 for 30 project. Someone has to lend credibility to the brand. There's also the problem that Grantland is so tightly associated with a particular disgruntled former employee, and will probably never fully escape its shadow. If, after the current spasm of cuts and austerity and belt-tightening, ESPN does want a place for that kind of journalism, they are probably better off building it from scratch with a new team than trying to keep Bill Simmons' ghost ship floating.
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Mornacale posted:The reason is because Nate Silver was one of the best baseball analysts of all time before he quit to do politics. But since 538 had to be a generalist site and not just focus on e.g. fixing PECOTA, it's been doomed from the start. I don't think 538's baseball stuff has generally been that good. Sometimes there were interesting pieces that touched on something new, but they always seem to just scratch the surface and left me wanting more in depth analysis (like this one on pitcher/batter influence on exit velocity)
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Oct 30, 2015 21:41
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So It Goes posted:Zach Lowe won't be writing espn.com articles about mascots and use youtube links breaking down certain plays. Why not?
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jyrka posted:Why not?
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FMguru posted:It makes sense for ESPN to have a money-losing (or money-neutral) place for prestige long-form journalism when they are feeling flush. The word for the last several months has been that ESPN's corporate masters are cutting budgets and slashing payrolls, so unfortunately it makes sense that the much-praised but not very lucrative prestige website gets shuttered. Isn't the new Star Wars movie going to pay for whatever tire fire is going on at ESPN and then some
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straight up brolic posted:There has never been a five second youtube clip in any espn.com article. They only host their own/legally acquired content on their own video service Eh, that's probably easy enough to overcome one way or another.
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ElwoodCuse posted:Isn't the new Star Wars movie going to pay for whatever tire fire is going on at ESPN and then some Totally different divisions.
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straight up brolic posted:the atlantic, harper's, and the new yorker are very good long form publications that sometimes write about sports Yeah, but they tend to be more "big picture." I'm talking about focused stuff like Lowe or Mays' work, or the shootarounds.
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