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Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

Uggh, my Firemouth has gone back to being an rear end in a top hat. The only fish I would ever keep them with again are Oscars. He’s even chasing the clown loaches now. They don’t seem too stressed by it but the festivum is confined to the opposite top corner of wherever the firemouth is. I don’t see any damage but I’d imagine it is pretty stressful.

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Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

STAC Goat posted:

Theres a drip coming from the wire of the filter

Got my fingers crossed for you that that's all it is. The method I've used in the past to track down leaks is to get everything dry as possible and then pack wadded paper towel around the perimeter of the tank. Frequent checks to ascertain which part, if any, gets wet first. This was how I worked out that one of my "tank leaks" was just me being sloppy earlier and making a mess without realising it at the time (paper towel stayed dry) and the other tank leak was narrowed down to a bottom edge - that tank only leaked when over half full so it was retired to become a terrarium.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

I think that's all it was. I noticed the lid of the filter was slightly off last night and adjusted it. I must have knocked the wire into the stream of the filter output and a drip started. There was a lot of water around and under the tank but I cleaned up as much of it as I could, moved the tank around a bit to try and get under it. That was... 8 hours ago? I can't find any water and the water level of the tank seems the same, so I think I dodged a bullet there.

I might head out to Petco and buy another 20G just to be safe. I meant to do that last time they had a $1 per gallon sale but didn't get a chance. Was gonna wait until the next time they emailed me about one and maybe even spring for a 30 or 40 G upgrade, but I might just spend the extra now just in case. At the very least I might finally try and patch up the leaky 10G for an emergency.

STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Apr 12, 2019

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

Im thinking about setting up a rack of tanks outside, in the wind and the sun and the rain. I might be going fish insane.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

BONGHITZ posted:

Im thinking about setting up a rack of tanks outside, in the wind and the sun and the rain. I might be going fish insane.

Why not a pond?

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Rubbermaid stock tanks are even easier if you don't care about it looking nice, which if you are considering a rack of tanks that doesn't seem like a concern.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

I'm debating a pond as a solution to my goldfish problem but it seems like a terrible idea come winter time and I imagine I'll just attract animals that would end up eating them. Last year I chased away a fox fighting some raccoons from my garden.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


I've thought about putting a big rubbermaid stock tank in the backyard in summer and then pulling it into the garage during the winter. Too much hassle though for now.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

Enos Cabell posted:

Rubbermaid stock tanks are even easier if you don't care about it looking nice, which if you are considering a rack of tanks that doesn't seem like a concern.

Yeah this is what I was actually thinking of when I said pond.

Wrath of the Bitch King
May 11, 2005

Research confirms that black is a color like silver is a color, and that beyond black is clarity.
I'm a huge fan of the Rubbermaid ones, I have a 150 gallon for crawfish and a 300 gallon for shiners. Can't go wrong.

Also, had a surprise baby panda cory in my daughter's tank. Have no idea where they hid those eggs, but no complaints!

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

I have two Rubbermaid stock tanks (70g). They are good and cool. I think they are deep enough that raccoons can’t mess around in them, had a shallow one that a raccoon got into and ate some goldfish lol.

Wrath of the Bitch King
May 11, 2005

Research confirms that black is a color like silver is a color, and that beyond black is clarity.

BONGHITZ posted:

I have two Rubbermaid stock tanks (70g). They are good and cool. I think they are deep enough that raccoons can’t mess around in them, had a shallow one that a raccoon got into and ate some goldfish lol.

If you have a local place that fabricates acrylic you can order sheets for pretty cheap as a cover, they don't even need to be thick. For the ones I kept outdoors in the past I used them and drilled small holes for air exchange, with some flip tabs on the sides to hold them in place. They'll survive just fine through the winter too as long as you make sure they don't get a ton of weight on them.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

New possible candidate for worst aquarium smell? I found a sponge filter in the back corner of a tank that I hadn't seen properly for ages due to thick plants, the air had become clogged at some distant time. Took it out to unclog it only to find it smells like a dead snail the size of a filter sponge *and* poop at the same time. All the bacteria died I guess and now the smell from rinsing the sponges won't come off my hands :barf:

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

Stoca Zola posted:

New possible candidate for worst aquarium smell? I found a sponge filter in the back corner of a tank that I hadn't seen properly for ages due to thick plants, the air had become clogged at some distant time. Took it out to unclog it only to find it smells like a dead snail the size of a filter sponge *and* poop at the same time. All the bacteria died I guess and now the smell from rinsing the sponges won't come off my hands :barf:

Dead snail smell is a witch's curse this is just what your hands smell like now condolences.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

BONGHITZ posted:

Im thinking about setting up a rack of tanks outside, in the wind and the sun and the rain. I might be going fish insane.

Been thinking of doing this on my covered porch, 75 gallon or bigger with a bunch of cichlids in it.

I'm in Florida so it doesn't get that cold. I know guys that have huge tanks in their garage.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

So I decided to grab some 3% H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) and use it to treat an area of BBA I have inside my tank on one piece of hardscape too big/integrated to remove. I had read about people dosing the water column up to 1.5mL/gallon but because my problem area is at the top of hardscape I was able to lower the water level below it and used a silicone basting brush to apply it directly to the area. I then gave it 20 min or so to neutralize (breaks down into pure water and oxygen) before filling the tank back up with new water and then doing another 20% water change to make sure I didn't leave any extra H2O2 in the water. Because I was using the brush I'm not sure how many mL of the stuff I had used up but mental math surface area calculations gave me around 4-5 mL not counting any that dripped into the tank (I don't know if this happened, was trying to be extremely careful).

Here's a Before photo:



And ~18hrs after:





You can see that a lot of the algae is already turning pink/purple which is it dying. The shrimp love it now that it's easy to tear up.

I had a little of it on my smaller piece of hardscape and after removing + boiling that, the algae was completely pink, then gone after 36 hours. I'm expecting I'll have to touch it up a bit on my water change next week and maybe the week after to make sure I get all the spots but so far I'm quite pleased with it. The shrimp all seem fine and honestly were more bothered by the water level being so low for 20 min than anything else.


e: I pruned that leaf out after I took the photos. I had a lot like that from the one plant - I think the light was/is too intense for it.

VelociBacon fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Apr 14, 2019

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Petsmart is running a sale now for a 6' 125g Aqueon tank w/ stand lids and lights for $499, and I think I'm going to pull the trigger on it for my high tech planted tank. Now I just need to find some decent lights for it.

e: here is what I'm thinking stock wise:
8x Boesemans Rainbowfish
8x Turquoise Rainbowfish
8x Millennium Rainbowfish
8x Denison Barb
10x Corydoras
30x Black Neon Tetra
2-3 bushy nose plecos

and then probably a pair of apistogrammas

Enos Cabell fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Apr 18, 2019

big dong wanter
Jan 28, 2010

The future for this country is roads, freeways and highways

To the dangerzone
My fav fish son was chilling on his side and im a drunken mess, anyone got any advice (hes a many year old electric blue acara) if he dies im gonna miss him a shitload

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

big dong wanter posted:

My fav fish son was chilling on his side and im a drunken mess, anyone got any advice (hes a many year old electric blue acara) if he dies im gonna miss him a shitload

When Rachael O'Leary thought her elderly oscar was going to die she started doing daily water changes and feeding him some secret formula of carefully selected antibiotics in his food. He pullled through but we don't have clean well water or cheap american superdrugs like her so I don't know what to recommend. Drunken water changes probably aren't the funnest thing but if you've got a set up where you can easily do that I think its your best bet. And if he dies overnight you'll know at least he died in clean water - or it might be enough for him to hold on longer so you can have a better look at him tomorrow. And if you can't water change and he doesn't make it, maybe his time was up? Sucks either way dude and I really hope he was just having a quiet rest due to a full belly and nothing more sinister.

Enos - your fish selection sounds great! I've heard a few facebook horror stories (or it might have been youtube fishdudes, who knows) of big Aqueon tanks popping a seal so have a close look before you fill. That's a lot of water and a lot of fish to end up on the floor.

Tonight I had another water change session and found another dead stinking filter - the pump for the pressurised in-the-hood filter on my Blue Planet vista tank died again. It was running, which was warming the tank up, but the impeller wasn't moving. Turns out the end cap on the shaft snapped off and that was enough to put it off centre and unable to spin. Luckily I had kept a broken shaft due to its intact end caps at some distant point and only recently found where I'd stashed it so it was pretty easy to swap out the busted cap. The guts of the filter were a bit black and slimy but it was only at slightly gross tadpole pond smell not at dead snail and poop level of rotten smell. I think the second filter and tons of frogbit I have going on in this tank probably kept every one alive and happy. There are still tons of tiny sterbai cory babies emerging and seemingly fine and I'm keeping up with water changes pretty well so disaster averted. I'm going to be even more paranoid about having extra filters on every tank now though. I rinsed the gross stank filter media in the squeezings from the media of the other filter so hopefully thats enough to re-seed it.

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica
Trying to get real information about aquarium stuff online is really tough. Do y'all have any resources you regularly check?

big dong wanter
Jan 28, 2010

The future for this country is roads, freeways and highways

To the dangerzone

Stoca Zola posted:

When Rachael O'Leary thought her elderly oscar was going to die she started doing daily water changes and feeding him some secret formula of carefully selected antibiotics in his food. He pullled through but we don't have clean well water or cheap american superdrugs like her so I don't know what to recommend. Drunken water changes probably aren't the funnest thing but if you've got a set up where you can easily do that I think its your best bet. And if he dies overnight you'll know at least he died in clean water - or it might be enough for him to hold on longer so you can have a better look at him tomorrow. And if you can't water change and he doesn't make it, maybe his time was up? Sucks either way dude and I really hope he was just having a quiet rest due to a full belly and nothing more sinister.
im willing to spend big money on him, do you know what drugs rachel used? i already did a 40 percent water change and will probably do another tomorrow, i recently lost a pleco and im not ready to lose bluefish too

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

big dong wanter posted:

im willing to spend big money on him, do you know what drugs rachel used? i already did a 40 percent water change and will probably do another tomorrow, i recently lost a pleco and im not ready to lose bluefish too

Found the video, https://youtu.be/HpYqIARxAYQ
She says it was Furan in repashy. I've used Kanaplex in repashy for a loach myself with great success. Definitely seems to work better if you can get the medicine inside the fish (and it's the right medicine) vs treating the whole tank.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

papa horny michael posted:

Trying to get real information about aquarium stuff online is really tough. Do y'all have any resources you regularly check?

I have had a ton of help from wetwebmedia.com which unfortunately is a vestige of what it used to be. The forums don't exist any more and the fact sheets are a little dense and difficult to narrow down exactly where some info is, and there is a growing list of agony aunt type requests and replies which contain good advice and info but again difficult to narrow down where specific help would be. They have a crew of helpers you can email for your own specific problems and I had a lot of help there working out possible treatments for my sick panda corys during the plague tank days. They used my picture of a six eyed ribbon worm at the top of one of their pages which I'm pretty pleased about! If you can handle the clunkiness it is a great resource with both hobbyist and professional contributors. I rely very heavily on seriouslyfish.com for species information and aqavisor.com for stocking levels. Hamzasreef.com has calculators for substrate volume, tank weight and various more complex water chemistry matters which I haven't used as much as the first two. Practical fishkeeping magazine has a ton of articles that are useful, and there are hub websites for fish species such as planetcatfish.com and loaches.com that have forums and species profiles and so on. I'm in a few aquarium oriented Facebook groups and have slowly worked out which groups attract drama and cliques and which people are more genuine and helpful.

Additionally there is a growing YouTube fish community, you see #fishfam or #fishtube as tags. I have had some good filtration advice among other entertainment from pondguru, marks aquatics is doing "how to breed" guides on various fish and does other DIY stuff, Rachel OLeary as previously mentioned is a specialist on nanofish and also keeps big primitive species, aquapros does aquascaping and DIY, George farmer for more aquascaping and plant information, the list goes on. This thread is full of experienced and beginner level fishkeepers too so you can always ask in here.

There is a ton of information out there, but like everything on the internet it's sorting through which bits are crap vs which bits are good that is the hard part. Once you get a bit more experience you find there are multiple approaches that work and you can start working out what your style is and what works for you. I believe there are lots of "right" ways to keep fish which certainly doesn't help to simplify things.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


So I spent all my downtime at work today looking into lighting options for my planned high tech planted tank. Originally I was leaning towards kessil a160we tuna suns with gooseneck mounts because I dig that look with no canopy. Unfortunately, $1000 for 3 lights plus mounting kits just wasn't in the budget, so I'm gambling a bit on an EVO Quad 72" fixture for $175 instead. The PlantedTank.net forums really seem to dig that light, and it looks like I should get great par values at the substrate for carpeting plants, so fingers crossed it works out.

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

The YouTube fish people are a trip. I like them.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

I see most of them as a cautionary tale more than anything.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Why?

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009


A lot of them are bizarre autistic borderline obsessive people whose entire lives revolve around aquariums. Aquariums aren't bad, the hobby isn't bad, but seeing people take it to such an extreme that their whole lives are devoid of anything but this one hobby is a little sad.

Obviously a lot of the people on youtube are doing it professionally or it's clearly not the only thing in their lives and that's a little less depressing to watch. Specifically that cinescaper guy and the green machine are both so fantastic.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

VelociBacon posted:

A lot of them are bizarre autistic borderline obsessive people whose entire lives revolve around aquariums. Aquariums aren't bad, the hobby isn't bad, but seeing people take it to such an extreme that their whole lives are devoid of anything but this one hobby is a little sad.

I'd argue that this is one of the good things about the aquarium hobby, it can be as simple or as complicated as you want it to be. It doesn't have to be expensive to get into, a 10g tank kit, and a betta won't break the bank to look after. Some of the obsessive types have made good contributions to the hobby, in refining techniques and sharing them for others to use, or in preserving endangered species that no longer have habitat in the wild. And for the less contributory fish obsessives, fishkeeping is still doing them some good. There are fish clubs where they can socialise with others when maybe they would not have done so without that common interest. Fish keeping means being responsible for the care of something else, it means having a schedule and sticking to the schedule and the larger fishrooms need a bit of planning to keep well.

I think you might be selling some people short too. One of the biggest fish rooms I know of, probably 150+ tanks so not quite as big as Lucas Bretz, but it's up there, is a collector and breeder of corydoras and killifish. But he also has a couple of well loved and well cared for dogs, and is the principal of a tango dancing school. He also supplies costumes and shoes for his students and has a huge collection of tango dancing trousers. His wife is into the same stuff as him, they dance together, and they vacuum fish poop together. Obsessive types are going to obsess over more than one aspect of their lives! I went a bit nuts on fishkeeping myself but before that it was synthesisers and I have had an ongoing interest in tabletop games and computer games my whole life. Keeping fish isn't my whole world but some days it gets me out of bed when maybe I would have wallowed all day without having something I needed to do that meant something to me.

I think you get a skewed view with fishtubers because you're only seeing that one side of their lives that they video. Maybe I'm not seeing the same weirdo shut-ins that you seem to have come across. Having a hobby that you love isn't sad though, it's one of the most fulfilling things you can do.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo
I think it's a general YouTube Personality to develop a persona and a brand to have a big following. Some of them are living it but a lot of them have a whole life outside of what you see in videos but there's no benefit in them documenting the other stuff they've got going on in their lives.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
I got a bristlenose pleco, 2 more cory cats and 3 blue velvet shrimp today!

The pleco and 2 cory cats seem very happy.

The shrimp immediately went to eating, and I noticed one was pregnant and full of eggs!

I walked away for an hour and now I can't find any of the 3 shrimp? Are they hiding (heavily planted with rocks + driftwood) or did they get eaten already?

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Shrimp are very good at hiding and/or being eaten.

big dong wanter
Jan 28, 2010

The future for this country is roads, freeways and highways

To the dangerzone
ok so my fish son is back to normal, would it be worth doing anything else? im probably gonna get the local fish specialist to do a housecall when i get paid next

Rythe
Jan 21, 2011



Is this just a run of the mill mystery snail? My friends kid wants to give it a new home and I want to make sure I'm not going to get overrun with snails if I rehome it in my 25 gal tank.

CrashScreen
Nov 11, 2012

It's been two months since my last post about the goldfish fry, so here we are. It's been a really long couple of months, but the end result is that we have three fry (though I hope I'm not speaking too soon) that'll make it. We ultimately ended up finding eleven fry in total--including the one pretty far on in its development.

It's kind of strange though. The original, larger fry is now the same size as some of the goldfish you can buy in stores but is also translucent. (I guess I should stop calling it a fry now). Meanwhile, one of the remaining fry had full metallic scales in about a month after it become free swimming. For about a month, we had four fry left but one of them sadly had to be euthanised on Wednesday. It was kind of heart wrenching, and I'd hoped I'd never need to use that clove oil. Waking up on Thursday morning to find it floating at the top of the water I put it in just absolutely sucked. The tank on my desk still seems kind of lonely. We still can't mix any of the remaining fry up with each other either.



This is the guy that's translucent, but we can't get good enough lighting to show it off properly. The camera doesn't quite pick it up. They got big pretty fast though. It's taken this one about two months to warm up to me and it's finally not afraid, but I chalk how long that took up to the fact it grew up inside a dark abandoned filter all alone for what I estimate to be two months.



This is the roommate. I tried removing the net, but the oldest one was trying to chase this one a few times. I'll try again later in the week, but we have the 120 litre tank ready for them as a permanent home soon.

Those were photos I managed to take before the ridiculous bacterial bloom. I've been using snails for cleanup, but it seems like one of them had its shell smashed in and it was half eaten by the largest fry. I discovered it with a lot of mould behind the only stone in the tank, so I'm disappointed that I didn't find it sooner. It's been clearing up, but not quite there yet so they're still on the daily water changes.



The adults are still doing fine, and here's a photo of two of them as one tries to eat more than she can fit in her mouth. I can never get them all in one shot anymore.

So... the adult tank. I ended up neglecting the 350 litre tank a little too much once the fry came in. The flow for the filter got weak, and then I discovered the filter was just absolutely clogged with snails--all alive and well and breeding. A large pile of rotting plants were also trapped in a space I couldn't see, near the abandoned filter. On top of that, I was getting a little bit too flexible with my weekly water changes, and I've been cycling filter media for the 120 litre tank's filter. I'm trying to bring the nitrate level down since it's pretty high, and I'm thankful they're goldfish because it got over 100ppm and I never once noticed anything different about their behaviour. Despite everything, they seem to be enjoying the algae explosion that's come with the nitrates. Hopefully it want take too many water changes over the next week or two to bring that back down to reasonable levels.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Rythe posted:



Is this just a run of the mill mystery snail? My friends kid wants to give it a new home and I want to make sure I'm not going to get overrun with snails if I rehome it in my 25 gal tank.

Looks like it. If it's a female they'll leave egg sacs every so often but if it's not been housed with any males it'll be fine.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


My 72" Quad Evo light showed up yesterday, and since I don't have the tank it's destined for even purchased yet I threw it up on my frontosa tank for a trial run. Holy crap is it bright! Fronts didn't care for it at ALL on max power, but turning off all but one bank of the leds creates a pretty cool effect in the tank. I'll have to snag some pics later.

Resting Lich Face
Feb 21, 2019


This case of an intraperitoneal zucchini is unusual, and does raise questions as to how hard one has to push a blunt vegetable to perforate the rectum.

VelociBacon posted:

Aquariums aren't bad, the hobby isn't bad, but seeing people take it to such an extreme that their whole lives are devoid of anything but this one hobby is a little sad.

Why begrudge them for finding something they love that makes them happy and running with it?

Wrath of the Bitch King
May 11, 2005

Research confirms that black is a color like silver is a color, and that beyond black is clarity.
A lot of the more extreme aquarium/fish personalities are in it as a coping mechanism or as a way to keep themselves sane and on the straight and narrow. Or to help with an insane degree of depression.

The King of DIY guy has a clip where he talks about how once upon a time he was in prison for attempted murder and fishkeeping was the only thing that let him bounce back in life. I like most of them, personally.

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Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
Just found a fish fry living in my (unheated) daphnia tank o_o. Absolutely no idea how it got in there but I bet it was enjoying itself.

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