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Shaggar posted:I would say that's different from things like technical sales support where you might be discussing things like system integration. for those you want to be on the call cause if you aren't sales will sell them something you haven't written yet. yes, call me any time day or night for those calls because i'm going to lose sleep if you keep talking anyways (loving timezones and asian customers  )
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Luigi Thirty posted:GIMP MY CAREER FOREVER by doing tech support poo poo for 50k really?
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Dec 10, 2014 22:13
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you in a flyover state? 50k is (on the low end of) starting dev salary in the flyovers
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Luigi Thirty posted:so my choices are continue making 9 dollars an hour doing retail or GIMP MY CAREER FOREVER by doing tech support poo poo for 50k just know that it isnt going to be a dev job I guess. take that how you will
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Dec 10, 2014 22:15
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Luigi Thirty posted:so my choices are continue making 9 dollars an hour doing retail or GIMP MY CAREER FOREVER by doing tech support poo poo for 50k oh. you should definitely move if ur doing retail now. it doesn't even matter if ur doing tech support cause its better than retail and having development experience is good.
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Dec 10, 2014 22:18
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hobbesmaster posted:you in a flyover state? 50k is (on the low end of) starting dev salary in the flyovers i started at 42 lol
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Dec 10, 2014 22:19
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Shaggar posted:oh. you should definitely move if ur doing retail now. it doesn't even matter if ur doing tech support cause its better than retail and having development experience is good. yeah. worst case do it for a year then switch jobs again now that you have your foot in the door
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Dec 10, 2014 22:20
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like there are legitimate reasons for hazing your junior staff like that. Working support while doing development on the software gets you experience and understanding with both sides of the product which is very valuable. who knows, they could just be smart people and you come out at the end of the year a better developer who understands your customer's needs.
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Dec 10, 2014 22:21
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Yeah I agree with shaggar on this. It's an upgrade on retail, you get closer to doing actual development, and you get paid more. It would have been a lot more difficult to pick if you were already in dev position that paid comparably (or a bit less), but compared to minimum wage retail, go for it.
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Dec 10, 2014 22:44
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bobbilljim posted:just know that it isnt going to be a dev job I guess. take that how you will literally don't care at this point
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Dec 10, 2014 22:55
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then do it bicth 
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bobbilljim posted:then do it bicth
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bobbilljim posted:then do IT bicth
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Dec 10, 2014 23:55
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do it but keep applying to actual dev jobs on the side
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Dec 11, 2014 00:17
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bobbilljim posted:then do it bicth
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Dec 11, 2014 01:34
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Most of what I do is fixing poo poo. Little bit of new stuff. I guess highest tier is "fix the codes?" Also we keep getting detached heads at work wtf git.
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Dec 11, 2014 02:25
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Space Whale posted:Most of what I do is fixing poo poo. Little bit of new stuff. I guess highest tier is "fix the codes?" a typical workday git checkout shittybranch *do some work* hmm oh yes looks good git commit -m "look at this turd" *~*~*~some time later~*~*~* git push if you;re doing somethign else that might be the problem
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Dec 11, 2014 02:28
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yeah absolutely positively take that job now and move up from there
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Dec 11, 2014 02:54
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Space Whale posted:Also we keep getting detached heads at work wtf git. thats what happens when you hire the headless horseman as your scrum master
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hobbesmaster posted:you in a flyover state? 50k is (on the low end of) starting dev salary in the flyovers florida but one of the parts with a lower cost of living. i pulled that number out of my rear end, i was being theoretical.
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Dec 11, 2014 03:58
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i dont have time for theatrics, I'm a computer
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take out a loan from some p2p lending startup and move to a real city, make up a bunch of poo poo on your resume and feign competence, get paid, don't pay off loan, take out a bunch more loans based on your inflated tech worker income, mortgage high end condo, etc.
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AWWNAW posted:take out a loan from some p2p lending startup and move to a real city, make up a bunch of poo poo on your resume and feign competence, get paid, don't pay off loan, take out a bunch more loans based on your inflated tech worker income, mortgage high end condo, etc. so you want me to be Pro-PRC Laowai but with san francisco instead of beijing?
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 pro-prc laowai
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the prc is great the ccp is great *takes out 100,000 dollars in credit cards and moves to china* ha ha inferior american scum
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i don't think he actually did that himself, did he? he was just advising other people to do that
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Luigi Thirty posted:so my choices are continue making 9 dollars an hour doing retail or GIMP MY CAREER FOREVER by doing tech support poo poo for 50k support and qa were at one point the way in to engineering for those who didn't have advanced degrees. that's less true these days but I've seen several people make the jump.
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rotor posted:support and qa were at one point the way in to engineering for those who didn't have advanced degrees. paging hp hovercraft, we have a code beige in the safe zone, hp hovercraft to the safe zone please
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Dec 11, 2014 10:42
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my id card says "engineering" on the bottom but i work in the marketing department
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the thing to keep in mind is that PPP is an adjustment for a basket of ordinary consumer goods. having a high purchasing power will help you a lot if you want to buy a domestically-produced candy bar. it's gonna really gently caress your day up when you want to buy imported consumer electronics I wonder if it's like in Brazil where you can buy normal computer equipment for a little more money but then stuff like apple and PS3s* are waaaaaay more expensive. which I'm totally ok with, if apple and sony don't care enough to officially enter the market then you should be hosed for buying their stupid crap that you don't need anyway [*] white nerds always mention the price of the PS3 as if it is a serious political issue lol
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Symbolic Butt posted:I wonder if it's like in Brazil where you can buy normal computer equipment for a little more money but then stuff like apple and PS3s* are waaaaaay more expensive. which I'm totally ok with, if apple and sony don't care enough to officially enter the market then you should be hosed for buying their stupid crap that you don't need anyway brazil's weird though because they have like a 100% import tax on finished electronic goods, so anyone that cares sends all the premade parts to brazil and does final assembly there to dodge the import taxes
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fart simpson posted:brazil's weird though because they have like a 100% import tax on finished electronic goods, so anyone that cares sends all the premade parts to brazil and does final assembly there to dodge the import taxes Doesn't that at least force importers to hire people locally in the chain of production? That sounds like a okay-ish alternative for the country.
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MononcQc posted:Doesn't that at least force importers to hire people locally in the chain of production? That sounds like a okay-ish alternative for the country. yeah, some amount of locals i guess
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MononcQc posted:Doesn't that at least force importers to hire people locally in the chain of production? That sounds like a okay-ish alternative for the country. thats the idea behind the policy. theres contract manufacturers that will just slap together two parts for "final assembly" to get around it, but i guess that does create a job or two
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bobbilljim posted:a typical workday The VAST majority of the time this is the case! The issues with detached heads was I had a local copy of a branch and now I don't do that. But I have a question and if you know GIT enough to help please help. I had a bunch of poo poo I had to undo and it seemed smarter to just use my loving version control to go back to the version before I did work I have to undo. Boss says "hey you're new here and to git talk to me before doing stuff in git." We converse on the fact that git is great for merging and checking in but apparently sucks at actually doing version control. He recommends I manually delete the poo poo I put in and commit/push. I decide to actually go back with git and do some reading: code: whateverI read that with revert you had to do poo poo like revert HEAD~(n) (for n commits back?) or call revert multiple times since it only works one commit at a time. How do you ~safely~ (that is, if you were not just not your own babby dev branch and if you hosed up it would really suck) go back n commits? How would you do this if branching was involved?
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bobbilljim posted:a typical workday just use subversion.
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Luigi Thirty posted:so my choices are continue making 9 dollars an hour doing retail or GIMP MY CAREER FOREVER by doing tech support poo poo for 50k Dude don't feel bad. You can always defuck your life if you don't have kids and have willpower. My first dev job was less than 50K. Now I'm above market for my flyoverstateCity to the point that using a COL calculator if I was to move to SF I'd need to make like loving 200K or whatever bullshit. It gets better.
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Shaggar posted:just use subversion. Our buildNazi is a former Marine tabletop gamer who will do deathstare and nerd-sperg-out at the same time if you argue with him. Also if git is a full featured graph theoretical sperg-app it should (and apparently does) have the ability to just loving go to an old version. How do I do that? Can't I make a new commit where I go to old versions of individual files and push that with a force or some poo poo? Can I just make a commit where it's literally "go back to this commit  " but keep the history?Seriously.
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Luigi Thirty posted:so my choices are continue making 9 dollars an hour doing retail or GIMP MY CAREER FOREVER by doing tech support poo poo for 50k ok yeah that changes things we actually have a guy here who i don't think even graduated community college, started in support and does actual programming for customer solutions now. he smells like weed about 30% of the time.
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As a Millennial I posted:ok yeah that changes things I dropped out getting my BSc (I have an AA) to work for $meh for about a year, then changed jobs for $MARKET, then half a year later changed again for $AboveMarket. I still know poo poo a lot of full blown educated types don't remember or never learned because I did my reading and sponge from this and the Plang thread. If I can do it, you can do it, Luigi. Hell, anyone can if I can. You can do better.
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