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moonsour
Feb 13, 2007

Ortowned

RNG posted:

Creepy New Yorker article I'm reading right now about a Polish murderer who more or less wrote a novel exposing himself.

This was a fantastic read! Don't skip over this link.

I did laugh when he claimed the police black-bagged him, curb stomped him, stripped him naked, and then the inspector introduced himself as Jack Sparrow and said he's under arrest. :v: he was arrested at a drug store and went quietly

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Cumslut1895
Feb 18, 2015

by FactsAreUseless
Here's a fun reddit thread: [Serious] People who have experienced school shootings, what was it like to come back to school after the shooting?

Rondette
Nov 4, 2009

Your friendly neighbourhood Postie.



Grimey Drawer
I'm reading 'Captain Scott' which is written by Ranulph Fiennes at the moment. It's a bloody good read but also really sad going into it knowing the outcome. Fiennes is very defensive of Scott, and paints Amundsen as some sort of sneaky evil-doer, which, if the things he did were true, is totally right.

Amundsen basically changed his plans from going to the North pole to the South to beat Scott to the 'win' in secret, and only informed Scott when they were on their way to the Antarctic. He repeatedly ignored Scott's attempts to reach out to him to see about a north/south science collaboration, and even hid from him when Scott turned up to his house in Norway. He also managed to snag all the best dogs, and prevented Scott from getting any from the best supplier also.

Fiennes believes without the extra pressure from Amundsen Scott would have made it, but he was rushed into attempting it which ultimately ended in their deaths. it's a fascinating read. And quite brutal too. I learned last night how to Pith a penguin. :stare:

Free Market Mambo
Jul 26, 2010

by Lowtax
I'm pretty skeptical of Fiennes claims in that one, he's very much writing in defense of Scott, and to be honest, Scott was an amateur who got Peter-principled like a mofo.

He showed bad organization, worse leadership, a sad lack of foresight, and duplicity/arrogance regarding his "right" to the South Pole. As soon as he heard Amundsen gave no fucks about his claims and was on his way, dude knew he was done for, and immediately started saying "this is not a race, seriously, please."

Amundsen was a fucker on a lot of levels, but Scott was way, way out of his element.

Fiennes has basically been pulling a proto-Bear Grylls for decades now, and should be taken with a whole bunch of salt.

Source: Polar history nerd, wilderness guide in Arctic conditions.

Also would like to plug the polar literature thread in the Book Barn, please keep us company there.

Rondette
Nov 4, 2009

Your friendly neighbourhood Postie.



Grimey Drawer

Free Market Mambo posted:

I'm pretty skeptical of Fiennes claims in that one, he's very much writing in defense of Scott, and to be honest, Scott was an amateur who got Peter-principled like a mofo.

He showed bad organization, worse leadership, a sad lack of foresight, and duplicity/arrogance regarding his "right" to the South Pole. As soon as he heard Amundsen gave no fucks about his claims and was on his way, dude knew he was done for, and immediately started saying "this is not a race, seriously, please."

Amundsen was a fucker on a lot of levels, but Scott was way, way out of his element.

Fiennes has basically been pulling a proto-Bear Grylls for decades now, and should be taken with a whole bunch of salt.

Source: Polar history nerd, wilderness guide in Arctic conditions.

Also would like to plug the polar literature thread in the Book Barn, please keep us company there.

Oh yeah, I'm reading the whole thing with an open mind, Fiennes's character comes through a lot in the book and you can tell he 'sides' with Scott a great deal. I am enjoying it immensely though, having said that.

It was arrogant as gently caress to assume he had the 'right' to the Pole, yep. It was typical British hubris, much like the Franklin expedition where they set off in a massive iron steamer and once that foundered, dragged all their unnecessary stuff in boats ultimately, to their deaths.

I liked the little nugget about how the ship's cat ('friend of the family') had a wee hammock knitted for him in which he would lounge around in and be fed scraps, and when he once fell overboard all hands on deck went to save him, while the dogs were basically tools for hauling and eating when they got too knackered to be useful.


Cats. They're smart.

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Free Market Mambo
Jul 26, 2010

by Lowtax
There's a book written from the perspective of Shackleton's ship cat, Mrs. Chippy, that I've been trying to find a copy of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs._Chippy

I'm a cat guy, so I find myself (illogically) disagreeing with Shackleton's decision to have Mrs. Chippy euthanized. A cat doesn't really eat all that much.

Vladimir Poutine
Aug 13, 2012
:madmax:
That reminds me a bit of Trim, Matthew Flinders' cat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trim_(cat)

quote:

Trim was born in 1799, aboard the ship HMS Reliance on a voyage from the Cape of Good Hope to Botany Bay. The kitten fell overboard, but managed to swim back to the vessel and climb aboard by scaling a rope; taking note of his strong survival instinct and intelligence, Flinders and the crew made him their favourite.

Trim sailed with Flinders on HMS Investigator on his voyage of circumnavigation around the Australian mainland, and survived the shipwreck of the Porpoise on Wreck Reef in 1803. When Flinders was accused of spying and imprisoned by the French in Mauritius on his return voyage to England Trim shared his captivity until his unexplained disappearance, which Flinders attributed to his being stolen and eaten by hungry slaves.

Trim was black, with white paws, chin and chest. He was named after the butler in Laurence Sterne's Tristram Shandy, because Flinders considered him to be a faithful and affectionate friend. During his imprisonment Flinders wrote a biographical tribute to Trim in which he described him as "one of the finest animals I ever saw... [his] robe was a clear jet black, with the exception of his four feet, which seemed to have been dipped in snow and his under lip, which rivaled them in whiteness. He had also a white star on his breast."

In 1996 a bronze statue of Trim by sculptor John Cornwell was erected on a window ledge of the Mitchell Library in Sydney, directly behind a statue of his owner that was erected following the donation of Flinders' personal papers to the Library by his grandson in 1925. The popularity of the statue has since led to the development of a range of Trim merchandise by the State Library of New South Wales. The Library's cafe is also named after the cat.

The plaque under it says:

TO THE MEMORY OF
TRIM
The best and most illustrious of his race
The most affectionate of friends,
faithful of servants,
and best of creatures
He made the tour of the globe, and a voyage to Australia,
which he circumnavigated, and was ever the
delight and pleasure of his fellow voyagers
Written by Matthew Flinders in memory of his cat

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

Free Market Mambo posted:

I'm a cat guy, so I find myself (illogically) disagreeing with Shackleton's decision to have Mrs. Chippy euthanized. A cat doesn't really eat all that much.
In terms of crew morale, it was a terrible decision. I think we went over this in the polar thread, but the carpenter whose cat he was (Mrs. Chippy was a boy, yes) never forgave Shackleton, and went to his grave hating him for shooting his cat. Years later, an Anarctic exploration society raised funds to put a bronze statue of Mrs. Chippy on his master's grave.

Osama Dozen-Dongs
Nov 29, 2014

Rondette posted:

It was typical British hubris

100% so. Scott was an incompetent nincompoop who stiff-upper-lipped himself and a few buddies into an early grave. He barely marked his way, for God's sake. More time to prepare wouldn't have helped him at all, if he was going to be as So Very British about the expedition as he was. Does the author even try to justify his refusal to bring dogs after being advised to do so by Nansen, or why he didn't bring actual warm clothes? I don't imagine he was in too much of a hurry to do either.

Also if you're buying/loaning books about the topic, there's also "Race for the South Pole: The Expedition Diaries of Scott and Amundsen", which has exactly what it says on the cover. I don't own a copy and can't find the relevant passage online, but I recall there's some nice contrast where Scott is going all woe to me, all is lost in this frozen hell while Amundsen's going nice day for a bit of ski, eh on the same day not far from him. I did find some excerpts for their respective arrivals on the pole, though. The tone is pretty telling, even if they're a month apart:

Amundsen, Dec. 14th posted:

The weather was of the best kind when we set off this morning, but at 10am, it clouded over and hid the sun. Fresh breeze from the SE. The skiing has been partly good, partly bad. The plain - King H VII’s Vidda - has had the same appearance - quite falt and without what one might call sastrugi. The sun reappeared in the afternoon, and now we much go out and take a midnight observation. Naturally we are not exactly at the point called 90°, but after all our excellent observations and dead reckoning we must be very close.

Scott, Jan. 17th posted:

To-night little Bowers is laying himself out to get sights in terrible difficult circumstances; the wind is blowing hard, T. -21°, and there is that curious damp, cold feeling in the air which chills one to the bone in no time. We have been descending again, I think, but there looks to be a rise ahead; otherwise there is very little that is different from the awful monotony of past days. Great God! this is an awful place and terrible enough for us to have laboured to it without the reward of priority.

POOL IS CLOSED
Jul 14, 2011

I'm just exploding with mackerel. This is the aji wo kutta of my discontent.
Pillbug

:unsmith:

That's actually pretty sweet.

Rondette
Nov 4, 2009

Your friendly neighbourhood Postie.



Grimey Drawer

Free Market Mambo posted:

There's a book written from the perspective of Shackleton's ship cat, Mrs. Chippy, that I've been trying to find a copy of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs._Chippy

I'm a cat guy, so I find myself (illogically) disagreeing with Shackleton's decision to have Mrs. Chippy euthanized. A cat doesn't really eat all that much.

Yeah Mrs.Chippy really upset me :smith: I'm sure I drew a little tribute picture to her but I can't remember where it is or what I've done with it.

This artist was inspired by Mrs.Chippy's plight too.



quote:

Wolf Howard was one of the 13 original founder members of the Stuckists, a pro-figurative painting, anti-conceptual art group, co-founded by Childish and Charles Thomson in 1999. Howard exhibited in group shows, including The Stuckists Punk Victorian (2004) at the Walker Art Gallery for the Liverpool Biennial and Go West at Spectrum London (2006). He left the group in 2006 to pursue a solo career.

He paints bold figurative images in a simple, vigorous, impasto style. This has incurred criticism for its apparent naivety. Howard has stated that his finished result only comes about after hard work, which can involve scraping the paint back to the canvas up to ten times.

He has explained a particular painting, Mrs Chippy:

"People have said do me, 'What’s the point in painting a cat? My five-year-old daughter could do that.' Yes, she could, but would it be a cat that had the look in its eyes that conveyed to you that it was about to be shot? That’s the fate that befell Mrs. Chippy during one of the greatest survival adventures ever—Ernest Shackleton’s voyage to the Antarctic in 1914 on the ship Endurance—shown in the background of the painting , stuck in the ice, as the crew drag the small open boat which later accomplished an 850-mile rescue journey through sixty-foot waves.That’s the difference between my cat and a five-year-old’s."
He then added on the comment, "I also paint cats where there is no difference."


ETA- Here is a page chock full of explorer cats! Some of the stories are a bit :gbsmith:
http://www.purr-n-fur.org.uk/famous/antarctic.html



If you are after a book written from a cat's perspective, The Life and Opinions of Tomcat Murr, which is way funnier than you'd expect a book written by a 19th century German dude to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_and_Opinions_of_the_Tomcat_Murr

quote:

"Tomcat Murr is a loveable, self-taught animal who has written his own autobiography. But a printer's error causes his story to be accidentally mixed and spliced with a book about the composer Johannes Kreisler. As the two versions break off and alternate at dramatic moments, two wildly different characters emerge from the confusion - Murr, the confident scholar, lover, carouser and brawler, and the moody, hypochondriac genius Kreisler. In his exuberant and bizarre novel, Hoffmann brilliantly evokes the fantastic, the ridiculous and the sublime within the humdrum bustle of daily life, making The Life and Opinions of the Tomcat Murr (1820–22) one of the funniest and strangest novels of the nineteenth century."

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JibbaJabberwocky
Aug 14, 2010


As someone who's fascinated with cold cases, I always think its super neat when they find a killer after so long. It makes me hope we'll get answers for some of the other high-profile missing persons cases eventually. I always got the Gosch case confused with this one so it makes me hopeful we'll potentially hear news about that case as well.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


They're digging up Cal Poly to find Kristin Smart. The guy who saw her last is being described as a "person of interest".

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat

Your Gay Uncle posted:

FYI there's a pretty solid nonfiction book called The Terror where the stranded ships are attacked by a crazy snow monster

it's actually a very bad book, for children

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

me omw 2 steal ur girl

Can we just not kill cats? It's so easy to do. Give it a shot, people (but not a shot from a gun, into a cat)

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news..._national_pop_b

Each time, she would shove the blind, handicapped teenager away from her and say, “No, you don’t want to love me. Please let God take you.”



:smith:

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice
Somewhat related, there's an article in New York Magazine called The Sandy Hook Hoax, about a father who lost his son and his fight against Internet trolls convinced he is a paid "crisis actor" whose son never existed.

It comes up frequently but Longform is an awesome website.

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider
I actually didn't know that ship cats were a thing before today. I find that adorable for some reason.

Not the point of the thread, but pretty cool all the same.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


It all depends on whether you find the need for a ratter adorable. (I like cats. A lot. Ship's cats may have been loved and played with, but they were there for a very practical reason.)

Bubble Bobby
Jan 28, 2005

Alereon posted:

Somewhat related, there's an article in New York Magazine called The Sandy Hook Hoax, about a father who lost his son and his fight against Internet trolls convinced he is a paid "crisis actor" whose son never existed.

It comes up frequently but Longform is an awesome website.

That article is infuriating

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Arsenic Lupin posted:

They're digging up Cal Poly to find Kristin Smart. The guy who saw her last is being described as a "person of interest".

It seems like a dick move to publicly label people suspects before at least officially charging them.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


WickedHate posted:

It seems like a dick move to publicly label people suspects before at least officially charging them.
Yup. It's standard practice, but it's a bad one. Just like bringing suspects through a herd of reporters to be charged.

POOL IS CLOSED
Jul 14, 2011

I'm just exploding with mackerel. This is the aji wo kutta of my discontent.
Pillbug

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Yup. It's standard practice, but it's a bad one. Just like bringing suspects through a herd of reporters to be charged.

This behavior, and the behavior of federal/state officials who anonymously leak poo poo to the media, really warrants its own school of investigative journalism imo. Of course, questioning, analyzing, and exposing it will immediately end that person's career. :eng99:

Vladimir Poutine
Aug 13, 2012
:madmax:
A particularly bad case of police really loving over innocent people is Operation Ore
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ore

quote:

Between 1999 and 2001, after a tip, a US investigation was conducted into Landslide Productions Inc., a Texas-based online pornography portal operated by Thomas and Janice Reedy. The portal was found to have provided access to child pornography and the Reedys were both convicted of trafficking child pornography in August 2001.

quote:

In May 2002, Operation Ore was implemented in the UK to investigate and prosecute the Landslide users whose names were provided by the FBI. In the UK standard operating procedure dictates that all alleged paedophiles must be arrested quickly and thoroughly due to the high risk posed by paedophiles to children.

quote:

After 2003 Operation Ore came under closer scrutiny, with police forces in the UK being criticised for their handling of the operation. The most common criticism was that they failed to determine whether or not the owners of credit cards in Landslide's database actually accessed any sites containing child porn, unlike in the US where it was determined in advance whether or not credit card subscribers had purchased child porn. Investigative journalist Duncan Campbell exposed these flaws in a series of articles in 2005 and 2007.[12][13][14]

Many of the charges at the Landslide affiliated sites were made using stolen credit card information, and the police arrested the real owners of the credit cards, not the viewers. Thousands of credit card charges were made where there was no access to a site, or access only to a dummy site. When the police checked, seven years after Operation Ore commenced, they found 54,348 occurrences of stolen credit card information in the Landslide database. The British police failed to provide this information to the defendants, and in some cases implied that they had checked and found no evidence of credit card fraud when no such check had been done. Because of the nature of the charges, children were removed from homes immediately. In the two years it took the police to determine that thousands had been falsely accused, over 100 children had been removed from their homes and denied any unsupervised time with their fathers.[15] The arrests also led to an estimated 33 suicides by 2007.[3]

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax
At least that was accidental(?). That doesn't make it any less tragic, but it's loving infuriating when you have Making A Murderer-esque situations with people getting railroaded for one reason or another.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Given the UK's history of purposely overlooking and failing to prosecute pedophiles any "oh it was a mistake" excuses can get hosed.

WickedHate
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax
True. I mean, how is it possible for a country to have multiple hysterical pedophilia witch hunts that put the Satanic daycare scandals to shame, and yet at the same time genuinely be full of pedophiles? I give my friend in the UK poo poo about that a lot, but it's pretty loving crazy when you think about it.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.
Yeah, but that dude killed that woman in Making a Murderer.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
Yeah, it's like OJ Simpson: just because you were framed by incompetent and possibly racist police, doesn't mean you didn't actually do it, too.

Human Tornada
Mar 4, 2005

I been wantin to see a honkey dance.
I'd like to make two requests to find some things I read about here, if anybody remembers them. One was about a missing hiker/camper, a young man who had disappeared, and they had found one or two pictures (on his phone or uploaded somewhere, I can't remember) with an unknown man who was barely visible in one. It was just like a big picture of trees and bushes and stuff and you could make out like the side of a guy's face in the middle distance. Nothing that would be creepy without the context.

Another one was a story about a murder that (I think) occurred in SW Ohio. The story was that a woman who worked at some sort of facility was locked in a tank or something and left to drown. There were only a few of her coworkers that it could have possibly been, but they were never able to figure out which one it was.

If anybody remembers these please post em up.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

WickedHate posted:

It seems like a dick move to publicly label people suspects before at least officially charging them.

How would you enlist the public's help in helping you find a guy you suspect so that you can question or arrest him if you're not allowed to say that he's a suspect?

quite stretched out
Feb 17, 2011

the chillest
http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-framed/

A bizarre story of an imagined sleight spiraling into something much, much crazier.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

willus posted:

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-framed/

A bizarre story of an imagined sleight spiraling into something much, much crazier.

Intensively talked about on the last couple pages.

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?
A person of interest isn't even a suspect. It can be a witness or someone connected to a suspect.

quite stretched out
Feb 17, 2011

the chillest

TotalLossBrain posted:

Intensively talked about on the last couple pages.

that's embarrassing and i can't believe i missed it.

A Pinball Wizard
Mar 23, 2005

I know every trick, no freak's gonna beat my hands

College Slice

TotalLossBrain posted:

Intensively talked about on the last couple pages.

Oh it was?

Rap Music and Dope
Dec 25, 2010
For some reason Euros really suck to

No it wasnt. It was talked about it in schrodfreude other people's pain thread. Not this one.

willus posted:

that's embarrassing and i can't believe i missed it.

You didn't.

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014

Human Tornada posted:


Another one was a story about a murder that (I think) occurred in SW Ohio. The story was that a woman who worked at some sort of facility was locked in a tank or something and left to drown. There were only a few of her coworkers that it could have possibly been, but they were never able to figure out which one it was.




This?

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/02/death_in_the_water_tank_nightmarish_case_remains_u.html

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
Look at this idiot here not paying attention to what thread he's in. Sorry guys.

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quite stretched out
Feb 17, 2011

the chillest

TotalLossBrain posted:

Look at this idiot here not paying attention to what thread he's in. Sorry guys.

its okay, it's not your fault that you lost your brain

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