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waffle
May 12, 2001
HEH
Tells us Labour didn't fall back in the immediate aftermath of the Manchester bombing, but doesn't look like there's been a surveymonkey poll before now so that's about as much as we can glean from it

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radmonger
Jun 6, 2011

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

A while back so sorry if this has been addressed, but ISIS is absolutely hosed. They're in their death throes now. There's absolutely no need to reason with them, because they're a spent force. Turns out arming secular socialists and protecting them against our own allies in the region was the answer to defeating ISIS.

Thing is, an effective anti-ISIS policy is exactly the kind of thing that is going to lead to an increased risk of terrorism.

If you really want to cut down on domestic terrrorism, round up the likely suspects, give them guns, and point them at some foreigner you don't mind dying'. That's what the Saudis and Pakistanis have been doing since the 70s,, and what the UK was doing back in the 80s with Gadaffi.

Long term consequences may not be great, but in the short and probably medium term It works a charm.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Isn't survey monkey just an online polling site? Is that poll even by something that's part of the polling society?

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

radmonger posted:

Thing is, an effective anti-ISIS policy is exactly the kind of thing that is going to lead to an increased risk of terrorism.

If you really want to cut down on domestic terrrorism, round up the likely suspects, give them guns, and point them at some foreigner you don't mind dying'. That's what the Saudis and Pakistanis have been doing since the 70s,, and what the UK was doing back in the 80s with Gadaffi.

Long term consequences may not be great, but in the short and probably medium term It works a charm.
:cripes:

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

^^^ that's the 'foreign policy has no broad consequences' guy

MikeCrotch posted:

Someone on my Facebook just accused Corbyn of lazy politics because there had been no intervention in the middle east by the west before 9/11

:thunk:

The number of people saying this with a straight face is amazing. Probably the most direct example of people the west trained and supported coming back to gently caress them later

Also an insult to are lads in the gulf war surely

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

radmonger posted:

If you really want to cut down on domestic terrrorism, round up the likely suspects, give them guns, and point them at some foreigner you don't mind dying'.
Suicide Squad was a bad movie.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Priti Patel has responded to Corbyn's interview.

Priti Patel posted:

The fact is he backed the IRA, doesn’t support NATO, wouldn’t renew Trident, wants to increase immigration and wants to massively increase taxes on working families.

I guess if you can't think of any legit criticism just straight up contradict everything he said in the interview.

haakman
May 5, 2011

jabby posted:

Priti Patel has responded to Corbyn's interview.


I guess if you can't think of any legit criticism just straight up contradict everything he said in the interview.

Of all the Warlords loved by the Gods, I hate her the most.

I don't understand how people don't see the smugness every time she talks.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

hrmmmmmm

waffle
May 12, 2001
HEH

Namtab posted:

Isn't survey monkey just an online polling site? Is that poll even by something that's part of the polling society?
Well, Opinium and YouGov are also online-only. I did just spend 15 minutes trying to find the actual polling data for this one and couldn't find anything though so yeah, I'd be a little skeptical of the result.

radmonger
Jun 6, 2011

baka kaba posted:

^^^ that's the 'foreign policy has no broad consequences' guy


No, I am the guy who is objecting to the argument:

- foreign policy influences levels of terrorism
- this is a foreign policy
- therefor it will reduce terrorism

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

TheRat posted:

hrmmmmmm


"More unsafe" wtf. "Less safe". Sack that sub.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
fewer safe*

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Unbigly safer

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Safed less. /georgeaton.

BillBear
Mar 13, 2013

Ask me about running my country straight into the ground every time I play EU4 multiplayer.
I wonder how many idiots on the right have tried looking for any evidence of Corbyn supporting the Iraq War only to realize he's actually stuck by his principles his whole life lol.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Is it a good idea for Corbyn to say he never met with the IRA when he himself has talked about his own meeting with two convicted IRA terrorists? Opens himself up to accusations of lying.

ukle
Nov 28, 2005

Namtab posted:

Isn't survey monkey just an online polling site? Is that poll even by something that's part of the polling society?

Yes they are on online survey site, not a polling site, they apply little if any modification to the data they get from the users. Ignore it, its little more than a forum poll.

Although think they were bizarrely the most accurate in 2010, buts that's probably stuck clocks etc.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

I like the subtle joke that the Tories will end up dividing by zero.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

bessantj posted:

Is it a good idea for Corbyn to say he never met with the IRA when he himself has talked about his own meeting with two convicted IRA terrorists? Opens himself up to accusations of lying.

He said he didn't meet IRA - he met Sinn Féin.

quote:

As Sinn Féin's representative in London, he was at the centre of a controversy in December 1984 when he was a guest to the House of Commons of Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn, along with another PIRA volunteer and former prisoner, Linda Quigley. A decade later, he was in the first delegation to meet with the British Labour Party front bench in December 1994

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


TheRat posted:

He said he didn't meet IRA - he met Sinn Féin.

I know, but people are bound to be all over the fact that McLoughlin & Quigley were convicted IRA terrorists.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
Well I wonder what the DWP have been up to this week

https://twitter.com/SiobhanONeill/status/868196386059284482

.....oh

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Exactly how functional do they expect people on tramadol to be? :stare: I was passed out in bed for 20 hours the only time I had to use it

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Oberleutnant posted:

Well I wonder what the DWP have been up to this week

https://twitter.com/SiobhanONeill/status/868196386059284482

.....oh

Person is taking more pain drugs in an hour than I take a year, hmm, sounds okay to work

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

TheRat posted:

Exactly how functional do they expect people on tramadol to be? :stare: I was passed out in bed for 20 hours the only time I had to use it

someone I worked with had a sore shoulder and took some of her friend's tramadol and came into work. In about 10 minutes she was gone and we had to get someone to drive her home

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

TheRat posted:

Exactly how functional do they expect people on tramadol to be? :stare: I was passed out in bed for 20 hours the only time I had to use it
You do develop a tolerance wrt functionality. If there's that degree of underlying pain then they probably shouldn't be working though.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I guess the doctor that prescribed me tramadol must have thought I was a junkie then.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Cerebral Bore posted:

I like the subtle joke that the Tories will end up dividing by zero.

Constant repetition of strong & stable, but it amounts to nothing.

limited
Dec 10, 2005
Limited Sanity

Oberleutnant posted:

Well I wonder what the DWP have been up to this week
.....oh
:downs: 'I see you have a forklift AND HGV qualification. Here, apply for all these jobs involving heavy machinery and driving..'

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Pochoclo posted:

Person is taking more pain drugs in an hour than I take a year, hmm, sounds okay to work

Yeah, we've all probably done a days work when in a bit of pain but this is ridiculous.

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Constant repetition of strong & stable, but it amounts to nothing.

Emphasised by the fact that she is weakly wobbling on her stool.

What's the joke with BoJo and his giant blue tongue though?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I assume that's hopkins in the bottom right.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Oberleutnant posted:

Well I wonder what the DWP have been up to this week

https://twitter.com/SiobhanONeill/status/868196386059284482

.....oh

I like how they capitalise Decision Maker, as if to suggest it's a proper job title and all, and not just something they call a prick OT who's sold out to work for the DWP's contractors.
Honestly, the HCPC should strike off anyone who agrees to work for... is it still Maximus these days? on the basis that there's gently caress all evidence behind their decisions and therefore they no longer meet the criteria for professional registration.

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

Oberleutnant posted:

Well I wonder what the DWP have been up to this week

https://twitter.com/SiobhanONeill/status/868196386059284482

.....oh

Tramadol is a horrible pain killer

Just gives me the worst nightmares

Skinty McEdger
Mar 9, 2008

I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!

That has decision reversed on the second appeal written all over it. The problem is the number of people who keep appealing is becoming less and less.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Skinty McEdger posted:

That has decision reversed on the second appeal written all over it. The problem is the number of people who keep appealing is becoming less and less.

I imagine there's people living a daily nightmare of pain, on benefits, and without anyone to help them, and I think these people would find it very hard to go to court and follow up and pay a lawyer and all the stuff you'd need to do to appeal something like this. It's exploiting the weaknesses of the least fortunate in the worst of ways.

Skinty McEdger
Mar 9, 2008

I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!

Pochoclo posted:

I imagine there's people living a daily nightmare of pain, on benefits, and without anyone to help them, and I think these people would find it very hard to go to court and follow up and pay a lawyer and all the stuff you'd need to do to appeal something like this. It's exploiting the weaknesses of the least fortunate in the worst of ways.

That's exactly what happens. I should point out that while your first appeal occurs in relatively short order the backlog for the more detailed second appeal is anything from 6 months to 2 years depending on what region of the country you're in at the time.

The other aspect to consider is that people are literally dying during the time it takes for their appeal to go through.

Edit: Also the statistics for people having decisions reversed on the first appeal are shockingly bad.

Skinty McEdger fucked around with this message at 23:27 on May 26, 2017

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

http://cans4corbyn.uk/ I have no idea what I just watched but it was strangely enjoyable

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Tortuga
Aug 27, 2011


Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Oberleutnant posted:

Well I wonder what the DWP have been up to this week

https://twitter.com/SiobhanONeill/status/868196386059284482

.....oh

lol at employing someone on 400mg of tramadol a day.

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