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So some other folks mentioned it on BGG...so I know I'm not just seeing things - the 7 Wonders redesign military tokens look HELLA nazi-like
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Aug 1, 2020 02:31
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Aug 1, 2020 02:57
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Looks like the Roman aquila??
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hoiyes posted:Looks like the Roman aquila??
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Aug 1, 2020 03:05
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Well yeah, but Roman imagery in a black/white/red scheme is the Nazi visual motif 100%. Like textbook.
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Aug 1, 2020 03:07
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It's extremely similar to the original art, but the the shifted proportions and black background highlight the flag part of it that wasn't particularly apparent before.
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Aug 1, 2020 03:11
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Bottom Liner posted:Well yeah, but Roman imagery in a black/white/red scheme is the Nazi visual motif 100%. Like textbook. Nazis took from a lot of sources, and yes you should be very careful using the things Nazis adopted outside of that context. Like if this were the military banner in a game set in a modern warfare scenario it would be more condemnable. Like I'd probably avoid using nordic runes outside of a game about Vikings. Context matters, and lots of the military cards feature Romans, the context is clear that it's Romans. Likewise, if you're in Japan and you see a swastika on a map, you know it's not a Nazi hangout, it's a temple, etc.
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Fart Car '97 posted:It's extremely similar to the original art, but the the shifted proportions and black background highlight the flag part of it that wasn't particularly apparent before. The originals used a green laurel in the birds grasp, made a big difference.  hoiyes posted:Context matters The context in 2020 is that we have a huge surge of white nationalism all over the western world and this imagery is being used by populist movements everywhere? It's blatant enough that a lot of people noticed it from a teaser video 2 second view of it. Like maybe, maybe don't use a combination of visual motifs and color palette used by the most infamous regime in modern history? No one is accusing the graphic designer of being a neo-nazi, just pointing out that it's a very nazi adjacent design and bad.
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Aug 1, 2020 03:28
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As someone who has to consider accessibility at every turn at work, I'm never going to fault anyone for using a high contrast black on white color scheme. It's way more readable than the older busier design. That said the white circle could've easily been an inverted triangle which would've ameliorated the mental effect of conjuring a swastika that the circle does. I don't really understand why a historic Roman aquila (used in the context of Roman military) that has Nazi design elements is more controversial than using the straight cross symbol that actual nazis fought and died for in a WW2 context.
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 so the defense you're going with is that it doesn't matter how close to literal nazi imagery it is, it's more accessible? No one is saying black text on white background is bad, but when you surround it by a loving eagle and red you are evoking very strong nazi imagery. And I'm not seeing any iron crosses or other crosses pictured there or in any other non-WW2 historical war games. hoiyes posted:that actual nazis fought and died for in a WW2 context. and what is this even? Any imagery used by the nazis is something they committed genocide under in WW2. It's all gross to use today just like a swastika. Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Aug 1, 2020 |
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No I'm saying. Roman imagery (later adopted by Nazis) in a historic game about Romans: not OK Nazi imagery in a historic game about WW2: OK I am an SJW carebear by any alt-righters metric, but this seems like very small fry stuff compared to say the utter dearth of diverse representation and revisionism in the hobby characterised by something like Maracaibo.
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Aug 1, 2020 04:25
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It's not an either or. You can point out both problematic themes and imagery used in board games and ask publishers to do better.
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Aug 1, 2020 04:29
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Yeah, the original tokens managed to be perfectly readable without evoking swastika banners
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Aug 1, 2020 04:45
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I think it comes down to readability? Black text on a white background is much easier to read at a glance, but they're definitely trying to invoke some Imperial Rome/SPQR imagery inline with the original for the military points. Like.. I can def see the other side on this, but I think the redesign is coming from that readability/accessibility perspective.
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Aug 1, 2020 05:26
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Well, the green wreath was the symbol of VP, so you knew the numbers in a wreath meant VP. Looking at the military - 1 VP chit, it looks like this symbology has been replaced by a many pointed star, and I would wager that, had the image been sharper resolution, the white 'circles' on the flags are actually stars too. Maybe that's why it was missed, because in real like the effect isn't as bad?
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Aug 1, 2020 05:32
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Fat Samurai posted:What are some good portable coop games? I already have codenames. If there's a laptop/IOS or Android tablet/Swith/PS4/Xbox One handy, you might like Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes. You'll either need to print the manual or have a second tablet/laptop available, but that's it.
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hoiyes posted:No I'm saying. If you're making a game about world war 2, you don't really have the option of making central europe some entirely blank space containing no symbology at all. (Actually, doing that would be its own form of symbolism...) In that context, using something like the iron cross (and nothing else) to represent german forces is an explicit choice to not use icons tied more directly to the nazi's abhorrent political ideology. Similarly, if you're using Roman motifs, you can choose things like the laurel wreath that are undeniably roman but don't evoke nazi themes. Not doing that when you have the option is putting your foot in your mouth a bit.
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Great now I want to play 7 Wonders. GJ thread.
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Thanks for the suggestions, thread.
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Yeah, I wasn't really thinking about getting 7W, but after seeing the new day/night artwork, I'm actually starting to feel tempted again, VP tokens be damned...  Do we know if/when the expansions will be reprinted, too? Since if the VP icon on cards has changed from the laurel to a star, I'd like to hold off on getting any (like the guild one - that seems to be quite popular, among people I know) until they're reprinted, too. EDIT: Oh also, I finally received and played Cartographers. It's pretty good! I'll have to play it another couple of times to confirm, but it has a solid chance of being my favourite solo game. Is there a thread for sharing map pics? Since we need a thread for sharing map pics 
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hoiyes posted:Looking at the military - 1 VP chit, it looks like this symbology has been replaced by a many pointed star How many points, six?
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Infinitum posted:Great now I want to play 7 Wonders. The BGA implementation is really snappy for live play. I think it's a premium only game tho.
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Looks like a bunch of companies are starting to put out official TTS workshop mods for GenCon Online. Here's everything I can find atm. Pandemic Legacy Season 0: Spoiler Free Demo Pandemic: Hot Zone - North America Noctiluca Fort Street Fighter: The Miniature Game On the Origins of the Species Cover Your Kingdom Bajillions Subatomic Genotype Interested in giving Fort + Season 0 a spin.  Do give Hot Zone a crack if you can. It's literally just Mini-Pandemic. Magnetic North posted:The BGA implementation is really snappy for live play. I think it's a premium only game tho. The scripted one on TTS looked good, but I haven't had a chance to spin it up.
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Jabor posted:If you're making a game about world war 2, you don't really have the option of making central europe some entirely blank space containing no symbology at all. (Actually, doing that would be its own form of symbolism...) So i assume you'd be fine with a historical wargame about the Roman legions using Roman eagles?
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Aug 1, 2020 11:42
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This one time, I saw a guy wearing a swastika shirt. This was in Nepal, and he looked Nepalese, but the shirt specifically had a red rectangle with a white circle on it, and the swastika was black, spokes pointing clockwise, on a 45 degree angle.
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Aug 1, 2020 11:50
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Wait until you learn about capirotes
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Aramoro posted:So i assume you'd be fine with a historical wargame about the Roman legions using Roman eagles? Probably, yes. Now, if that eagle was carrying a red banner, with a white circle on it, with a black symbol inside that circle ... then perhaps not.
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Played the Fort implementation on TTS, pretty good module. The game itself was interesting, some neat strategies to think about and mecha ICS I haven't really experienced in other games I've played. Didn't really like the market row, but due to the way cards get discarded and up for grabs if you don't use them, it seems you can get a chance at the cards taken eventually...sometimes.
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Major Isoor posted:Yeah, I wasn't really thinking about getting 7W, but after seeing the new day/night artwork, I'm actually starting to feel tempted again, VP tokens be damned... Leaders, Cities, and Armada are all getting reprints coinciding with the new art - up for preorder on Repos' shop already. Leaders and Cities integrate the Anniversary packs from a couple years back, Leaders now includes one of the wonders form the Wonder Pack (no sign of the other three) and Armada now includes the Siracusa wonder that was a promo at time of original release. No reprint of Babel becuase 1) I think they know it's their least popular expansion and 2) other than a single leader card that I think might have been a promo anyway, all of Babel's content is stuff that does not get integrated with any existing decks, so there's no need to reprint to match art/cardbacks.
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My girlfriend really liked the tea plantation / Sri Lanka theme of the game Ceylon, so she bought it-- no reading reviews or anything, just straight up saw the box cover and fukken bought it. Certainly something I wouldn't do. We crack it open, and half of the drat cardboard tokens are misprinted/offset from the punch cards by like half a centimeter or more. It kind of bummed her out big time due to it being her first game she wholeheartedly picked. It's a real shame because the game is actually not bad. I was really worried it would be a groanfest of some game due to it being bought on a whim due to the theme alone. Goes to show how spoiled we are by tons of reviews of stuff before buying for the most part. Then again, I don't know why I was expecting something terrible like franchised / licensed slapped-on themes or something. The super-Euro style theme of like "tea plantation owners!!!" kind of lends itself to not a crap game already
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Aug 1, 2020 15:16
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Gave this a burl tonight. Seems great. You're basically Cold War era spies stopping the commies instead of viruses. You assemble teams that you all have access to, that basically go around sequestering people away into the night via your Free Candy Van. I'll probably pick it up, and a mate wants to organise for us to play through Season 1 online. So win/win. jeeves posted:We crack it open, and half of the drat cardboard tokens are misprinted/offset from the punch cards by like half a centimeter or more. It kind of bummed her out big time due to it being her first game she wholeheartedly picked. Get it fixed up for her and win brownie points  Contact the store your purchased from / contact publisher directly.
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jeeves posted:My girlfriend really liked the tea plantation / Sri Lanka theme of the game Ceylon, so she bought it-- no reading reviews or anything, just straight up saw the box cover and fukken bought it. Certainly something I wouldn't do. Contact the company, they may ship you replacement pieces. I had some misprinted tokens in my Kingdomino box and Blue Orange Games sent me replacements and some promo stuff inside of a week.
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Aug 1, 2020 16:18
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Apparently the second edition of John Company is less of a tidy while they reprint and more of a proper second edition / redevelopment.
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Pax Pamir 2E Reprint is shipping soon which might get me on board for John Company if I can play Pax in time. I really like the idea of it, at least- I would love a good/tight implementation of a competitive coop.
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Does anyone have any opinions on the This War of Mine boardgame? Background: my wife and I have enjoyed coop games that are experience generator type games in the past. We've played many games of Eldritch Horror, Robinson Crusoe, and Arabian Nights and have enjoyed them while recognizing their faults. I especially appreciate games like this that try to do something different or unique in the space.
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Radioactive Toy posted:Does anyone have any opinions on the This War of Mine boardgame? My fiance and I enjoyed it, but it can be incredibly difficult and depressing depending on how things go. First time we played, we lost in the first round; we sent two of our three guys to scavenge for stuff and ended up getting a bad event that murdered the both of them, and the third one hosed off due to grief. Another time we played and never really ran into anything bad just due to lucky shuffles and such. I bought the game from another friend who had owned it and was just so, so depressed by playing it. I think his team had to strangle a lady in a wedding dress or something after someone had starved to death and they had to read an excerpt of their thoughts, so they sort of.. just packed it up and said 'nah.'
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Oh wow, I love the video game and wasn't aware of the fact that there was a board game.
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Pathologic has a board game too. It's a 1 vs 3 hidden movement thing.
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