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Malloreon posted:Sam Harris isn't stupid or racist. He simply believes that Abrahamic religion is a gigantic net negative for humanity. So he IS stupid then, got it.
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Bohemian Nights posted:I don't really find that description of Sam Harris to be accurate beyond the standard un-nuanced hyperbole you get every time his name is brought up I dunno man lets add this up: Sam Harris believes -in torturing prisoners -in rigorously profiling anyone who looks vaguely “muslim” -that Islam is inherently a violent religion -in casually berating people of any religious persuasion Sam Harris should also -stay out of philosophy He's pretty much a lovely proto-dawkins with a side of martial arts
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Jul 18, 2015 19:21
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Watermelon City posted:In Our Time "Frederick the Great" was fairly heated. The Prussian king was apparently gay and this rumor really upsets one of the guests, to the point where the podcast gets an addendum of extra argument compared to the radio version. Is Melvyn Bragg tolerable in this episode? I had to stop listening to "In Our Time" because he kept berating his guests and trying to railroad the discussion.
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Jul 18, 2015 19:44
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Al-Saqr posted:The problem here isn't dan carlin, the problem is that Sam Harris is a completely stupid racist piece of poo poo who tries to constantly sugarcoat his fake-intellectualist arguments. He's a charlatan who takes advantage of other people ignorance to make statements that if it was ever said about any other group (e.g. jews, African Americans,etc.) He wouldn't have a career anymore. I am really disappointed that Dan Carlin keeps entertaining this creep. What race of people is he racist against again? Am I racist if I say that a religion where ants or a burning bush talk to people is dumb and anyone who believes this stuff really happened is dumb? I think throwing accusations of racism around like this devalues the word. Save it for the real racists please.
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Jul 18, 2015 20:32
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WEH posted:I dunno man lets add this up: I agree with most of this although I think it's fair to examine a religion, including islam, and criticize parts of its scripture since quite a few bad things are coming from people being indoctrinated with a strict fundamentalist interpretation of it. Or you could just be lazy and call him a racist.
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Jul 18, 2015 20:36
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adebisi lives posted:What race of people is he racist against again? People who ain't white.
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Nintendo Kid posted:People who ain't white. I hate to break this to you but there are white Muslims, the group of people sam harris is accused of being unfair to.
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Jul 18, 2015 20:38
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adebisi lives posted:I hate to break this to you but there are white Muslims, the group of people sam harris is accused of being unfair to. He's also extremely bigoted against white muslims, as well as being racist as hell against everyone who isn't white. Sorry that he's your hero or whatever, but his ideas are poo poo and he's terrible.
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Jul 18, 2015 20:41
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Nintendo Kid posted:He's also extremely bigoted against white muslims, as well as being racist as hell against everyone who isn't white. Sorry that he's your hero or whatever, but his ideas are poo poo and he's terrible. Haha I don't even like sam harris I'm just marveling at the low bar being set for racism today I guess.
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Jul 18, 2015 20:47
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adebisi lives posted:Haha I don't even like sam harris I'm just marveling at the low bar being set for racism today I guess. I did not know that being racist is a low bar for being racist. That seems a bit insane, friend.
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Jul 18, 2015 20:49
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Nintendo Kid posted:I did not know that being racist is a low bar for being racist. That seems a bit insane, friend. Racist - Full Definition 1 :a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 :racial prejudice or discrimination Can you provide evidence sam harris fits this bill other than he says mean things about islam, a multiracial religion?
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Jul 18, 2015 21:00
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adebisi lives posted:Racist - Full Definition You're being pedantic. He makes sweeping (incredibly wrong and offensive) generalizations about a group of people because of a trait they share in common that has no relation to the generalizations he makes. He's a racist.
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Jul 18, 2015 21:04
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adebisi lives posted:Racist - Full Definition Yes, the fact that he's repeatedly said racist things. Just go listen to him. What you're doing is like asking how Rush Limbaugh is racist.
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Jul 18, 2015 21:05
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adebisi lives posted:Racist - Full Definition WEH posted:-in rigorously profiling anyone who looks vaguely “muslim”
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Jul 18, 2015 21:18
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PerilPastry posted:Is Melvyn Bragg tolerable in this episode? I had to stop listening to "In Our Time" because he kept berating his guests and trying to railroad the discussion.
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Jul 18, 2015 21:56
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WEH posted:I thought they were pretty good natured about it! Both sides were very clear about it not being possible to say for sure and the dude who suggested restraint just didn't get a chance to really say his piece on air. I can understand being annoyed at how some historians latch onto tiny details of someone's life, take them out of context, and draw huge conclusions from them. When your primary source for something is rumormongering from people who are hostile toward that historical figure, you shouldn't just accept the statements at face value. Frederick the Great probably was gay, though. Like 70/30 on the odds that he was.
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Jul 18, 2015 23:29
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Show me your gay calculation.
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Jul 19, 2015 03:59
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Has Carlin said yet what the next episode's topic will be or when it will be released? I figure it's due out in the next couple months given his usual clip.
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Jul 19, 2015 04:14
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Jul 19, 2015 04:55
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I just listened to two episodes of The Lesser Bonapartes (Martin Luther and Alcibiades) and... does co-host get better as things go along? His audio quality is pretty bad (pretty sure he's calling in) and his delivery is rough. I'll stick it out if it improves later because I like the idea of the podcast, but it was tough to make it through the Luther one.
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Jul 19, 2015 04:58
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The audio is annoying at times, like how it can get so low I can't even hear it when I jack my car speakers up. Other than that it's pretty fantastic so far. The best being the Bronze Age Collapse series.
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Jul 19, 2015 05:01
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Jul 19, 2015 05:21
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His delivery doesn't get any better though. It was pretty bad in the Three Kingdoms series, he tried to tell the folk story about the 10,000 arrows and the whole thing was an incoherent mess. I really like the podcast when the host is talking, but the co-host really needs to practice his material and delivery.
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Jul 19, 2015 05:33
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toanoradian posted:Show me your gay calculation. You sound just like my old teachers. "You have to show your work!" they'd tell me ever time I turned in my homosexuality homework.
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Jul 19, 2015 05:42
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Random Stranger posted:You sound just like my old teachers. "You have to show your work!" they'd tell me ever time I turned in my homosexuality homework. Well maybe if you would just do it you wouldn't have to redo all the butt analysis assignments over and over!
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Jul 19, 2015 07:11
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How hard is it to gently caress Three Kingdoms up???
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Jul 19, 2015 08:26
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WEH posted:Part of the charm of IoT is Melvyn rapping the knuckles of experts who digress just a little too much, imo. They've a schedule to keep, after all. Oh, I hear you. The host has to keep things moving and on point - but in the episodes I listened to back in the day Bragg came across as a real hectoring bastard who seemed personally offended when the guests he had on would misunderstand a poorly worded question or offer an answer that didn't conform to his expectations. It was like he was talking to schoolboys and not experts in their fields. Anyway, he seemed perfectly fine in the newer episodes I just listened to so I'm happy to give "In our Time" another chance 
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Nintendo Kid posted:He's also extremely bigoted against white muslims, as well as being racist as hell against everyone who isn't white. Sorry that he's your hero or whatever, but his ideas are poo poo and he's terrible. So is he racist in that he refuses to associate with these people or advocates for laws discriminating against them, or racist in the Bill Maher "haha he makes mean-spirited jokes about people he doesn't like" way?
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Jul 19, 2015 10:43
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Random Stranger posted:You sound just like my old teachers. "You have to show your work!" they'd tell me ever time I turned in my homosexuality homework. Missed opportunity: homowork
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Jul 19, 2015 13:00
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Rodyle posted:Another amazing Carlin impression from Colbert this week. Can you post a link? Really curious!
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Jul 19, 2015 13:30
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MeatwadIsGod posted:Has Carlin said yet what the next episode's topic will be or when it will be released? I figure it's due out in the next couple months given his usual clip. quote:Dan Carlin @HardcoreHistory Jun 9 quote:Roy Withers @roywwithers Jul 15
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Jul 19, 2015 13:55
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Cannot wait. I don't know what it is but I get super excited when a new episode comes out.
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Rodyle posted:The audio is annoying at times, like how it can get so low I can't even hear it when I jack my car speakers up. Started with the Bronze Age. It's good, fun. I'm getting used to podcasts and lovely audio, don't even notice it any more. (tbh there are worse offenders out there, with crackle pop and occasional overdrive for 50 minutes) e: yeah that co-host is not so good. midnightclimax fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Jul 19, 2015 14:06
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Finally! I love HH, but the two world wars are the least interesting part of history to me.
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gently caress yes. Been jonesing for another ancient history episode. I wonder if it will be a big multi-part series dealing with Alexander and the funeral games? In that old Macedonian Soap Opera episode you get the sense he thought the funeral games were under-represented but also really difficult to cover. PerilPastry posted:Oh, I hear you. The host has to keep things moving and on point - but in the episodes I listened to back in the day Bragg came across as a real hectoring bastard who seemed personally offended when the guests he had on would misunderstand a poorly worded question or offer an answer that didn't conform to his expectations. It was like he was talking to schoolboys and not experts in their fields. If it helps, I got this vibe too and it put me off the show for a while, but in Melvyn's defense the old episodes were like 22 minutes devoted to a complex topic with three guests. The show is much better now that they've basically doubled the length. God knows why they tried fitting in three guests in 22 minutes to begin with. MeatwadIsGod fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Jul 20, 2015 |
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Jul 20, 2015 08:15
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It's HH so it'll be great anyway but man I am sick of Alexander.
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I think the thing with Bragg is that, although he is definitely being a little rude because he has to be for the show to work, it definitely must come across as worse on the radio than it does for everyone in the studio. Plus, bear in mind that the majority of guests on any particular episode are repeat visitors, so it's not like they're total strangers, and it seems that nobody gets too offended by it. On a different note, writing this did just remind me of one of my all-time favourite In Our Time moments, when they were discussing The Tempest and a woman ends the episode by saying that Propsero deserved to have his daughter raped by Caliban. Stunned silence all round.
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For some reason I'm still subscribed to Sword and Scale. Today's episode was a special on Jonestown. He even interviewed the author of the excellent A Thousand Lives. I thought maybe this could turn me around on it. Except it turned out to be about 5 minutes of interview. 20 minutes of background and then just an hour of the final suicide tape. Very disappointing.
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420 Gank Mid posted:So is he racist in that he refuses to associate with these people or advocates for laws discriminating against them, or racist in the Bill Maher "haha he makes mean-spirited jokes about people he doesn't like" way? he's an angry bigot and if your answer to that is seriously "he's not racist, just a cultural chauvinist and general bigot  neener neener" then loving laffo
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GraPar posted:I think the thing with Bragg is that, although he is definitely being a little rude because he has to be for the show to work, it definitely must come across as worse on the radio than it does for everyone in the studio. Plus, bear in mind that the majority of guests on any particular episode are repeat visitors, so it's not like they're total strangers, and it seems that nobody gets too offended by it. Of course, I think there's episodes where he's calmer and where he's ruder (one of the Industrial Revolution episodes comes to mind), but he often strikes a necessary balance. It's also gotten better, I feel like, with the introduction of the post-show extras, where we can at least hear some off-the-air relaxation from the clock.
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