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Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

It's like supporting the troops. You don't have to actually do anything, you just have to support them in your heart. The NDP's lack of emotional support for the private sector has left them too insecure and hurt to do their regular fantastic job of investing and innovating.

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PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Morroque posted:

So because they have nothing to do with the private sector, they are somehow at fault for the private sector when the private sector is doing poorly.

Are they protesting the lack of crony capitalism? Or are they saying that Notley is not socialist enough?

It's symbolism; they are mad.

and stupid

PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Feb 27, 2016

Whiskey Sours
Jan 25, 2014

Weather proof.

Do it ironically posted:

This is the best thread on the forums imo

It's the only thread I regularly follow where I can skip 10 pages and know I didn't miss out on anything worthwhile.

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
Why do you people support the troops?

BallsFalls
Oct 18, 2013

Cultural Imperial posted:

Why do you people support the troops?

they keep are country safe from the tourists

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




gently caress the CF imo

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

BallsFalls posted:

they keep are country safe from the tourists

we're still overrun by fuerdai so what exactly are the cf doing

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

brucio posted:

Dignity and strength

Wow

Wasn't it just last year we were mocking "strong, stable government"? Maybe don't do this, NDP brain trust.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Dippers gunna dip

jsoh
Mar 24, 2007

O Muhammad, I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight

apatheticman posted:

Who the gently caress can utilize a bunch of unemployed oil and gas workers?

pretty much nobody. i dont have any skills

Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

Whiskey Sours posted:

It's the only thread I regularly follow where I can skip 10 pages and know I didn't miss out on anything worthwhile.

Your avatar misses out on the obvious pun of having an umbrella in the drink.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

sitchensis posted:

Anyone want to think up some likely names for this period in Alberta's history ala "Rae Days" in Ontario?

Notley Nightmare? Rachel Days?

"Rae Days" doesn't refer to the period of Rae's government, it refers to 12 days unpaid furloughs the government imposed on public workers in 1993 to save money.

It pissed of the public sector unions, of course, but also every single parent who had a kid in school and had to deal with arranging child care.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Canada's dollarama trump everyone

cheese sandwich
Feb 9, 2009

Because government should be run like a business right guys

Why do we keep giving that rear end attention

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

I notice a lot of that attention is from the network still producing and running attack ads against Trudeau.

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich
I'm surprised O'Leary is still pursuing this leadership thing. Didn't he give a big interview last year sometime where he broke kayfabe and admitted that Kevin O'Leary is just a right wing characature he plays on TV and he's really a progressive in his private life?

Does anyone else remember this?

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

I'm surprised O'Leary is still pursuing this leadership thing. Didn't he give a big interview last year sometime where he broke kayfabe and admitted that Kevin O'Leary is just a right wing characature he plays on TV and he's really a progressive in his private life?

Does anyone else remember this?

No but we've I and several other posters have theorized this. Link?

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
He's probably just an idiot blowhard.

The Duggler
Feb 20, 2011

I do not hear you, I do not see you, I will not let you get into the Duggler's head with your bring-downs.

cowofwar posted:

He's probably just an idiot blowhard.

Probably?

Excelsiortothemax
Sep 9, 2006
No, he is as vicious and cruel as you would expect from a major business leader

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...?service=mobile

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
I give O'Leary props for telling people buying condos is stupid

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich

Excelsiortothemax posted:

No, he is as vicious and cruel as you would expect from a major business leader

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...?service=mobile

Lol that writer must be friends with ex or something because :drat:

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Excelsiortothemax posted:

No, he is as vicious and cruel as you would expect from a major business leader

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...?service=mobile

He doesn't seem that vicious or cruel. He made his choices, for good reasons, and lived with the consequences. So what if you wouldn't have made the same choice? That doesn't make him a bad person.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

PT6A posted:

He doesn't seem that vicious or cruel. He made his choices, for good reasons, and lived with the consequences. So what if you wouldn't have made the same choice? That doesn't make him a bad person.

He's an rear end in a top hat and freely admits it, and likens himself to an animal known for being a ruthless predator.

I mean IDGAF because he's in business and lol at anyone expecting a business person to play nice but let's not pretend he isn't an rear end in a top hat.

ductonius
Apr 9, 2007
I heard there's a cream for that...

PT6A posted:

He doesn't seem that vicious or cruel.



He is, in fact, the very portrait of vicious cruelty.

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

I'm surprised O'Leary is still pursuing this leadership thing. Didn't he give a big interview last year sometime where he broke kayfabe and admitted that Kevin O'Leary is just a right wing characature he plays on TV and he's really a progressive in his private life?

Does anyone else remember this?

So, in addition to his bullying sociopathic public persona he's also an inauthentic liar?

All hail the new leader of the opposition!

Cultural Imperial posted:


I give O'Leary props for telling people buying condos is stupid


Stopped clock.

edit: kayfabe - I have learned a new word today and it isn't Mandarin or French. Thank you.

Hexigrammus fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Feb 27, 2016

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

BattleMaster posted:

He's an rear end in a top hat and freely admits it, and likens himself to an animal known for being a ruthless predator.

I mean IDGAF because he's in business and lol at anyone expecting a business person to play nice but let's not pretend he isn't an rear end in a top hat.

He's a dick and possibly an rear end in a top hat, but I think it's one thing to be those things and quite another to be "cruel and vicious." Being cruel and vicious is like, you go out of your way to hurt people. I think he just doesn't care if he hurts people in pursuit of his goals, which is different.

Morroque
Mar 6, 2013
Government should be run as what kind of business? The business that is entrepreneurial, creates new things, and tries to keep a diverse portfolio of revenue generating ventures? Or the type of business that is in the throes of several unaccountable CEOs running it into the ground while they engorge themselves on self-granted bonuses?

Morroque fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Feb 27, 2016

ductonius
Apr 9, 2007
I heard there's a cream for that...

PT6A posted:

He's a dick and possibly an rear end in a top hat, but I think it's one thing to be those things and quite another to be "cruel and vicious." Being cruel and vicious is like, you go out of your way to hurt people. I think he just doesn't care if he hurts people in pursuit of his goals, which is different.

"Hurting people to get what you want is ok so long as what your not a sadist. The people getting hurt should keep this in mind when they complain." - PT6A

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
For universities the OLP only counts tuition fees in arts and science programs, leaving out the more costly tuition fees in professional programs such as engineering.

http://www.macleans.ca/education/ontarios-free-tuition-promise-doesnt-add-up/

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

I thought this article was pretty interesting.

Too long to post, but here's a few fragments.

quote:


Refinery Plans in BC and Alberta seek to tip over conventional wisdom

Outside the box

Pipeline projects may be stalled, but that hasn’t stopped other proposals from coming forward – including some that were once dismissed as unworkable, reports Brent Jang

David Black unscrews the lid, looks inside the glass jar and turns it upside down to prove the tar-like bitumen won’t spill out.

The newspaper publisher, seated at a wooden desk at his Victoria waterfront house, smiles at the outcome. No leakage, no mess inside his home office.

Mr. Black’s science demonstration is meant to support his contention that bitumen from Alberta can be safely transported by rail to a refinery planned for British Columbia’s north coast.

“The industry, Alberta and Canada need a way to get that Albertan oil to the Pacific,” he said in an interview last week as logs crackled in his fireplace. “British Columbians just abhor the thought of having pipelines that would carry heavy oil to tankers in the ocean. But I don’t think we ought to abandon oil. I feel that we’ve got to find a solution.”

The rail-to-refinery plan backed by Mr. Black’s Kitimat Clean Ltd. is one of three proposals that are seeking to overcome widespread B.C. opposition to oil exports.

The ventures are backed by big names in business and politics: The Aquilini family (owner of the Vancouver Canucks) is involved in a second project, while a third proposal includes former federal cabinet minister Stockwell Day. The project Mr. Day is involved in includes two former national chiefs of the Assembly of First Nations, Shawn Atleo and Ovide Mercredi.

In the summer of 2012, when Mr. Black announced his idea of building an export refinery, there was much industry scoffing at his notion of converting bitumen into refined products such as diesel, gasoline and jet fuel.

The conventional wisdom back then, when he first showed off his party trick with the glass jar, was that pipelines would rescue new oil production from being landlocked in Alberta.

But since then, pipeline projects have been caught in a seemingly never-ending series of environmental reviews and face mounting opposition. Given the pipeline gridlock, some energy executives and financiers are reassessing what had been initially dismissed as far-fetched schemes from fringe B.C. proponents.

The three outside-the-box ideas from B.C. are still left standing while Enbridge Inc.’s Northern Gateway pipeline plan has been effectively sidelined. Enbridge invested nearly $500-million on the controversial project to export Alberta bitumen from Kitimat in northwestern British Columbia. The other two unconventional projects are being promoted by Pacific Future Energy Corp. and Eagle Spirit Energy Holding Ltd.

Major pipeline proposals are primarily geared toward exporting tarry bitumen, which is diluted with condensate to make the commodity flow. The industry’s fear is that millions of barrels will be trapped every year in Alberta unless there is greater access to the United States (Keystone XL) or new markets in Asia (Trans Mountain expansion and Northern Gateway) or Europe (Energy East).

Diluted bitumen would have been exported from Kitimat if Northern Gateway hadn’t sputtered to a standstill, opposed widely by First Nations and environmentalists. Northern Gateway officials say they remain committed to the “essential infrastructure.”

The sales pitch from the refinery proposals boils down to this: Shipping diluted bitumen would be disastrous for the West Coast in the case of a spill because much of the commodity would sink and ruin the shoreline and marine life. Given those risks, the thinking goes, the superior option is to refine the bitumen before it’s exported so that if the gasoline or diesel in ocean-bound tankers spills, it would float on the water and quickly evaporate.

Sending oil by pipeline across long distances is more cost-effective than rail deliveries, but the election of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s Liberals last October triggered greater environmental scrutiny for pipeline projects, notably for Trans Mountain and Energy East.

Pacific Future Energy (whose supporters include Mr. Day) and Mr. Black’s Kitimat Clean are calling for transporting bitumen by rail in a form similar to cold peanut butter that wouldn’t be prone to explode. The idea is to heat bitumen enough to flow into rail tank cars and, once cooled, then have locomotives haul long trains to the West Coast. At the refinery site, the bitumen would be reheated so that it flows again. The rival refining projects are both eyeing a sprawling industrial site between Terrace and Kitimat.

...

The common theme of Pacific Future Energy and two other B.C.-based export proposals – Kitimat Clean and Eagle Spirit Energy – is to convert bitumen into a petroleum product that is less environmentally risky to export.

Their hope is that the federal government will take a narrow interpretation when considering a proposed ban on oil tankers on B.C.’s north coast.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said last November that federal cabinet ministers will take steps to “formalize the moratorium.” The details have yet to be ironed out, but the three B.C. export projects are counting on Ottawa to take a favourable view of bitumen that first undergoes refining or upgrading in Canada.




Northern Gateway seems pretty dead at this point but of course a lot of people still want to find a way to get Alberta oil to Asia somehow. Refining the raw bitumen such that a spill would not be so disastrous is a potential solution around the current deadlock. LNG has much stronger support in BC than shipping tar sands because in a spill LNG would just evaporate, whereas the implications of a raw bitumen spill are completely unknown.

Heavy neutrino
Sep 16, 2007

You made a fine post for yourself. ...For a casualry, I suppose.

PT6A posted:

He's a dick and possibly an rear end in a top hat, but I think it's one thing to be those things and quite another to be "cruel and vicious." Being cruel and vicious is like, you go out of your way to hurt people. I think he just doesn't care if he hurts people in pursuit of his goals, which is different.

Different in what way? I don't think the predictable consequences of an action are very far off from the intent of an action, but I guess you have to make judgments on a case-by-case basis. In O'Leary's case, I don't see a very big difference between implementing Wal-Mart-like labor cost cutting measures with the intent to get rich, and implementing them with the intent of destroying the livelihoods of working people.

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line

PT6A posted:

He's a dick and possibly an rear end in a top hat, but I think it's one thing to be those things and quite another to be "cruel and vicious." Being cruel and vicious is like, you go out of your way to hurt people. I think he just doesn't care if he hurts people in pursuit of his goals, which is different.

that would be psychopathic - so right on par for businessmen

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

I really doubt that there exist a significant number of people who are against tar sands pipelines, but are somehow okay with LNG fracking and transport.

velvet milkman
Feb 13, 2012

by R. Guyovich

Ikantski posted:

For universities the OLP only counts tuition fees in arts and science programs, leaving out the more costly tuition fees in professional programs such as engineering.

http://www.macleans.ca/education/ontarios-free-tuition-promise-doesnt-add-up/

I guess this would be partially offset in a lot of cases as engineering programs often have strong co-op opportunities.

Seeing the graduate school tuition numbers triggered me. I would guess most grad students are probably making around $25,000 a year with TA positions + base stipend. Almost $9,000 of that pitiful sum is eaten up by tuition. It's absurd.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Ikantski posted:

For universities the OLP only counts tuition fees in arts and science programs, leaving out the more costly tuition fees in professional programs such as engineering.

http://www.macleans.ca/education/ontarios-free-tuition-promise-doesnt-add-up/

It also only counts diplomas (at 2768) for colleges, despite the push from colleges to offer specialized degree programs that cost as much as, or more than, an arts and science undergrad from a university.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Reading a lot of comments from people mad that poor widdle 100K earners will have to pay for "socialists'" tuition but cannot afford to send their own kids to school because they spend all their money on a million dollar mortgage.

Morroque
Mar 6, 2013
The only question I have about it is what exactly it defines as a "student." I keep reading the new tuition rules only apply to students or seniors, but theoretically anyone who attends a university is a student regardless. It's trying to imply people looking for retraining will need to pay their own way still, but I can't find the definition on exactly who it is limited to.

Will people who currently have student loans from the previous system but would've still qualified for this anyway still be saddled with their debt?

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

THC posted:

Reading a lot of comments from people mad that poor widdle 100K earners will have to pay for "socialists'" tuition but cannot afford to send their own kids to school because they spend all their money on a million dollar mortgage.

You don't know the struggle of paying taxes on a six figure income :qq:

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Whiskey Sours
Jan 25, 2014

Weather proof.

THC posted:

I really doubt that there exist a significant number of people who are against tar sands pipelines, but are somehow okay with LNG fracking and transport.

There actually are a lot of people who don't care about the environment and hate Albertans.

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