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because those people don't actually care if the palestinian people suffer, op E: Sorry, that came off as a snide snipe. I'm assuming you know this, and are genuinely hoping there might be a less monstrous rationale behind there somewhere.
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Not conflict related but still a pretty big tragedy, at least 44 worshippers have been crashed to death in the Lag Baomer festival on Mt. Meron, pretty shocking event, seems like the police were negligent and amateurish when it came to keeping people safe and evacuating them after the disaster. https://twitter.com/talschneider/status/1387982501323460608 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/30/killed-in-crush-at-religious-festival-in-israel-lag-baomer-mount-meron
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IronClaymore posted:Is it ok to be anti-Israel in terms of all their horrible apartheid xenophobic shittiness, but a little bit pro-Israel in terms of post WW2 idealistic Zionism?
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Apr 30, 2021 05:52
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is it insensitive/wrongheaded to be in the “well did it have to be there” camp?
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Tweezer Reprise posted:is it insensitive/wrongheaded to be in the “well did it have to be there” camp? emanresu tnuocca posted:Not conflict related but still a pretty big tragedy, at least 44 worshippers have been crashed to death in the Lag Baomer festival on Mt. Meron, pretty shocking event, seems like the police were negligent and amateurish when it came to keeping people safe and evacuating them after the disaster.  the gathering seemed particularly significant this year, coming so soon after israel's "defeat" of coronavirus and the lifting of crowd restrictions. the haredi communities went through a uniquely harrowing 2020 that nobody else in the world will ever know or understand. for this to happen now is horrible.
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Apr 30, 2021 06:06
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yeah that was a poor formulation of what I meant to say. As an American surrounded by diaspora Jewish people and culture, I guess I was rather ignorant until relatively recently of how strong that connection still was for a lot of modern-day Jewish people.
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perepelki posted:the haredi communities went through a uniquely harrowing 2020 that nobody else in the world will ever know or understand. iunno. I'm in texas and it rings familiar
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Apr 30, 2021 08:03
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perepelki posted:yes, because that discounts an indigenous people's connection to their ancestral land drat if only Rhodesia had thought to use this argument, everyone's ancestors were indigenous to Africa after all
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Apr 30, 2021 13:21
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perepelki posted:yes, because that discounts an indigenous people's connection to their ancestral land lmao I don't think anyone involved with that project thought that indigenous populations had any rights wrt their ancestral land
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Apr 30, 2021 13:28
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I was all about the Uganda plan honestly
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Got an SMS:quote:לזכות הקדושים שנפגעו במירון quote:In honour of the martyrs who were hurt in Miron The fatalities haven't been even buried yet and the religious nutters are already using them to push people to their way of life.
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Apr 30, 2021 16:54
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Not conflict related but still a pretty big tragedy, at least 44 worshippers have been crashed to death in the Lag Baomer festival on Mt. Meron, pretty shocking event, seems like the police were negligent and amateurish when it came to keeping people safe and evacuating them after the disaster.
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Apr 30, 2021 21:30
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:lmao It's time for the descendents of the religiously persecuted American pilgrims to take back their ancestral lands.
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Apr 30, 2021 21:49
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human garbage bag posted:It's time for the descendents of the religiously persecuted American pilgrims to take back their ancestral lands. I don't know if that would matter. But if it doesn't, then it's even more weird that people insist on pretending that Israeli Jews are mostly Europeans who took over a land that didn't have any Jews in it until the Zionists came along.
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Apr 30, 2021 23:08
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Xander77 posted:it's even more weird that people insist on pretending that Israeli Jews are mostly Europeans who took over a land that didn't have any Jews in it until the Zionists came along. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 1, 2021 04:11
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Xander77 posted:That analogy might work if the Vikings maintained their settlement and ~10% of American population was consistently European-descended up until the 1776? And if the majority of non-native US population post 1776 was Latinx?
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May 1, 2021 13:53
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Ethnic cleansing is wrong, regardless of any previously established narratives. I hope this opinion isn't too controversial.
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It’s all Britain’s fault as usual, lol if you blame the Jews for taking matters in their own hands considering the hundreds of years of western betrayal. Yeah Israel right now sucks but maybe we shouldn’t have persecuted them for half a millennium (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Yeah that's a narrative, it does not justify ethnic cleansing.
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May 1, 2021 15:33
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please knock Mom! posted:It’s all Britain’s fault as usual, lol if you blame the Jews for taking matters in their own hands 
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May 1, 2021 15:37
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Yeah that's a narrative, it does not justify ethnic cleansing. The thing about ethnic cleansing is that it doesn’t need to be justified, because it can’t be. You just have to be able to do it without other people with bigger guns telling you to stop
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May 1, 2021 15:43
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please knock Mom! posted:The thing about ethnic cleansing is that it doesn’t need to be justified, because it can’t be. You just have to be able to do it without other people with bigger guns telling you to stop And yet you attempted to.
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please knock Mom! posted:It’s all Britain’s fault as usual, lol if you blame the Jews for taking matters in their own hands considering the hundreds of years of western betrayal. I do (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 1, 2021 18:22
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DarkCrawler posted:I do also a bad take, distilling government policy of israel to "the jews" ain't okay either
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May 1, 2021 18:25
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VitalSigns posted:Palestinians aren't non-native, they're the descendants of the people living in Roman Palestine at the time of the destruction of the Temple. (It's Arab\Mizrahi Jews)
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Miftan posted:And yet you attempted to. I really hate Israel’s government, but imo other major powers could stand to take some responsibility for what’s happening to Palestinians, because relying on the Israeli political system to care hasn’t worked out so far. How many years of pointing and muttering “that’s kind of bad” are we at now? Meanwhile the entire zone is still headed to a one state solution as soon as the last Palestinian is sniped by the umpteenth inexplicably bloodthirsty twenty-something IDF soldier (at which point the fascists in charge will have to find a new target and I really wouldn’t want to be of Arab descent). Don’t take my statements as defenses of Israel’s policies, but more as a total disbelief that their government is capable of doing something good or kind. And as someone who didn’t grow up in a dysfunctional hellhole, I’ve never understood why people choose to behave that way.
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Yes clearly it's everyone else's fault
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please knock Mom! posted:It’s all Britain’s fault as usual, lol if you blame the Jews for taking matters in their own hands considering the hundreds of years of western betrayal. Yeah Israel right now sucks but maybe we shouldn’t have persecuted them for half a millennium keep my people's name out of your mouth with your fourth grade reading of history you dumb piece of poo poo. also Israel's government is not 'the Jews' you antisemite
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please knock Mom! posted:I really hate Israel’s government, but imo other major powers could stand to take some responsibility for what’s happening to Palestinians, because relying on the Israeli political system to care hasn’t worked out so far. How many years of pointing and muttering “that’s kind of bad” are we at now? The Palestinians are literally under Israeli sovereignty though. Regardless of what any other major power does or doesn't do, Israel maintains the existing apartheid system it could unilaterally end at any time. I'm with you that the rest of the world isn't doing enough, but the direct responsibility is on Israel.
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Post better, folks.
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sexpig by night posted:keep my people's name out of your mouth with your fourth grade reading of history you dumb piece of poo poo. Sorry. I'll read up more and pick my words better to distinguish between the people calling the shots in Israel and Jewish people as a whole. I did not mean to paint all of you with the same brush, I don't regularly discuss this subject at all so using the right terms doesn't come naturally to me. AreWeDrunkYet posted:I'm with you that the rest of the world isn't doing enough, but the direct responsibility is on Israel. I agree with this. But sometimes I get pretty angry when there's another humanitarian crisis, NGO-sent aid is waylaid or destroyed, and (other) governments just... do nothing.
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please knock Mom! posted:NGO-sent aid is waylaid or destroyed, and (other) governments just... do nothing. just got a flashback to cynthia mckinney
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i say swears online posted:just got a flashback to cynthia mckinney Yeah I posted some pretty cringy stuff, sorry for that. I’ll try again when I’m feeling better-brained.
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haha no i mean she was part of a gaza aid flotilla that got raided in 2009
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Yeah that’s the stuff I was getting at. Lots of violence against/reported by MSF too. Comic book villain poo poo like shooting to maim
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Time for more elections? Again? https://twitter.com/AP/status/1389688422441398273?s=20
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FlamingLiberal posted:Time for more elections? Again? Israel loves calling itself 'the only democracy in the middle east' so much they're just gonna always be voting I guess
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FlamingLiberal posted:Time for more elections? Again? The opposition gets a chance first.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Time for more elections? Again? perhaps this time they will form a government
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evilweasel posted:The opposition gets a chance first.
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