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WhyteRyce posted:I was talking about that Tales of the Bounty Hunters short story Oh, I see. Sorry about that. I quite like that chart. Regarding The Bounty Hunter Wars, I never quite worked out what was going on in that series. Prince Xizor went to the Emperor and got his support for a plan to hire Fett to break up the Bounty Hunters' Guild because... well, just because, from what I remember.
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Shame about McQuarrie's passing. That guy certainly had arguably more talent than Jorge. Speaking of his art, did anyone ever have or read that Illustrated Star Wars Universe? I bought it from a goon a few years ago. Kevin J. Anderson, despite all of his lovely writing, did the narrative parts for that book with McQuarrie's art. It was surprisingly really cool and added some subtle depth to the SW universe. This was of course, before the prequels. I've also been reading through some of the Star Wars Comic's, notably legacy and the Rogue Squadron comics. They're actually not that bad. I've been buying up some of the omnibus collections as a result. Any one else reading through these? Was also able to nab this from my comic shop for 40 bucks on clearance, http://www.amazon.com/Luke-Skywalker-Last-Hope-Galaxy/dp/1595821511/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1330988951&sr=1-1/ Handsome Ralph fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Mar 6, 2012 |
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Mar 6, 2012 00:14
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Boondock Saint posted:Speaking of his art, did anyone ever have or read that Illustrated Star Wars Universe? I bought it from a goon a few years ago. Kevin J. Anderson, despite all of his lovely writing, did the narrative parts for that book with McQuarrie's art. It was surprisingly really cool and added some subtle depth to the SW universe. This was of course, before the prequels. One thing that I find quite interesting about Anderson is that, the quality of his writing (or lack thereof) notwithstanding, he more or less was the top man as far as the EU was concerned for a short time in the 1990s, immediately before the prequel trilogy was released. Zahn, Stackpole and a few of the others were significantly better writers, but they were nowhere near as proligic. Anderson wrote The Jedi Academy Trilogy, Darksaber, Young Jedi Knights, Tales Of the Jedi and Dark Empire, co-wrote The Essential Chronology and edited the first three Tales Of books. (I'm aware that I may giving him too much credit).
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Mar 6, 2012 00:53
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Metal Loaf posted:Oh, I see. Sorry about that. Something to do with some pseudo-Darwinian crap that if you have all the bounty hunters fight each other the only ones to survive will be the meanest toughest and best bounty hunters around. (and Bossk)
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Mar 6, 2012 11:12
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I see. Something like, "Let's kill off all the weak bounty hunters so we can only hire the strongest ones." That sounds kind of stupid (though it's still not as stupid as the "revenge of the one-armed wampa" scene in Darksaber; very little of the EU has ever been able to match that for ridiculousness).
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Mar 6, 2012 11:44
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Ferrosol posted:(and Bossk)
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Mar 6, 2012 14:28
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SeanBeansShako posted:Amazingly, Bossk survives and flourishes in later novels as water mark of lameness. Hey man, Bossk may be utterly incompetent in all respects but he tries with all of his cold reptilian heart!
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Mar 6, 2012 16:07
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Metal Loaf posted:One thing that I find quite interesting about Anderson is that, the quality of his writing (or lack thereof) notwithstanding, he more or less was the top man as far as the EU was concerned for a short time in the 1990s, immediately before the prequel trilogy was released. You are. -The JA trilogy was okay but had way too many  moments with stupid superweapons and force ghosts. -Darksaber is widely regarded as one of the worst EU novels/ideas next to The Crystal Star. -Tales of the Jedi was okay and had some interesting Old Republic stuff that lives on in KOTOR and TOR. -Dark Empire was hilariously bad for a variety of reasons.
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Mar 6, 2012 19:12
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Anderson didn't do Dark Empire, and he also wasn't the original author of Tales of the Jedi. The first two volumes he wasn't involved in at all, the third he co-wrote, the fourth he wrote on his own but incorporating notes from the original author's plan. The only Tales of the Jedi comics he did entirely on his own were Redemption (which is admittedly the best one and one of my favorite EU stories ever) and the two prequels set a thousand years earlier (which are both terrible). It's notable to say that the original author's plan for ending Tales of the Jedi was very different - it was going to span over a much longer period of time, end with Ulic dying as an unredeemed Sith, and Exar Kun wasn't going to be involved at all.
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Mar 6, 2012 19:52
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The 1st Dark Empire, funky art and colouring aside was okay. The ones after holy goddamn. We got to see what young Palpatine looked like and apparently he looked like space David Bowie.
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Chairman Capone posted:Anderson didn't do Dark Empire, and he also wasn't the original author of Tales of the Jedi. The first two volumes he wasn't involved in at all, the third he co-wrote, the fourth he wrote on his own but incorporating notes from the original author's plan. So he didn't. I see that Dark Empire was written by Tom Veitch (who I think was Anderson's co-writer on some of the Tales Of the Jedi comics). Sorry, I've obviously confused the two, because I think they're both credited on a few of the TOTJ collected editions. Thwomp posted:You are. Well, I never said that any of them were any good.
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SeanBeansShako posted:The 1st Dark Empire, funky art and colouring aside was okay. The ones after holy goddamn. So that's what happened to Major Tom.
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Thwomp posted:-The JA trilogy was okay but had way too many What annoys me about the JAT is that it covers one of the most important plot points of the After Endor era: Luke starting a new Jedi order. From that, we got Daala, the Sun Crusher, Kyp's Get-out-of-jail-free deal, the Solo kids raised on a space bunker... Even with Stackpole's fix, this crucial event was kinda fumbled, IMHO. Thwomp posted:-Darksaber is widely regarded as one of the worst EU novels/ideas next to The Crystal Star. Funnily enough, I've always kinda wondered if Darksaber wasn't an intentional joke about superweapon overuse. I mean, the titular plot device is overtly described as a disaster-in-waiting by the characters themselves. Or I could be overthinking this and KJA was just being KJA. The Daala storyline is still spacedreck and Madine's death is still an infuriating waste that should have been edited out.
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ecureuilmatrix posted:Funnily enough, I've always kinda wondered if Darksaber wasn't an intentional joke about superweapon overuse. I mean, the titular plot device is overtly described as a disaster-in-waiting by the characters themselves. Or I could be overthinking this and KJA was just being KJA. Don't forget the bizarre ending of the Hoth sequence. Wampa hunters trapped by a pack of their intended prey? Fine. The wampa horde being lead by the one Luke dismembered in Episode V? Why?
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Metal Loaf posted:Don't forget the bizarre ending of the Hoth sequence. Wampa hunters trapped by a pack of their intended prey? Fine. The wampa horde being lead by the one Luke dismembered in Episode V? Why? Because everything is related. I wouldn't be surprised if the Storm Troopers that Ben Kenobi force waved away in A New Hope were retconned to be stuck on Tatooine because they let the Death Star plans get smuggled out or something.
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Mar 6, 2012 23:27
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computer parts posted:Because everything is related. I wouldn't be surprised if the Storm Troopers that Ben Kenobi force waved away in A New Hope were retconned to be stuck on Tatooine because they let the Death Star plans get smuggled out or something. Didn't one of them end up killing his commanding officer and joining the rebellion?
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Phylodox posted:Didn't one of them end up killing his commanding officer and joining the rebellion? Actually, when R2D2 and C3PO emerged from hiding, R2D2 dropped the Death Star plan disk. One of the troopers noticed, and being a secret Rebel sympathizer he rushed up and gave the disk back to R2, thereby keeping the plans moving and putting yet another person in possession of the Death Star plans. http://starwars.wikia.com/TK487_Gath_Donovan
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Mar 6, 2012 23:42
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Phylodox posted:Didn't one of them end up killing his commanding officer and joining the rebellion? That was this guy, but yeah, same general concept. I also found out while looking for that page that every single storm trooper that rode the air bikes in ROTJ has a name and backstory. 
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Mar 6, 2012 23:42
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I'm pretty sure it was the, "Look, sir, droids!" guy who did that. It was in Tales From the Mos Eisley Cantina.
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Metal Loaf posted:I'm pretty sure it was the, "Look, sir, droids!" guy who did that. It was in Tales From the Mos Eisley Cantina. Funny how despite being elite space marine troops of the Empire, they can't hit a drat thing and switch sides at the drop of a helmet.
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computer parts posted:Because everything is related. I wouldn't be surprised if the Storm Troopers that Ben Kenobi force waved away in A New Hope were retconned to be stuck on Tatooine because they let the Death Star plans get smuggled out or something. I honestly think that if you take most EU book/comic by themselves, while bad, are not horrible. Sure, some are complete abominations, but I don't think most EU stuff (though I have only read a few, and very old ones) were that bad. But it's when I put it in context, when I put it within that overarching story, everything becomes part of a cacophonous symphony that can only be described as atrocious. What was supposed to be a fun, classic family story becomes a gigantic universe taken very seriously by people, and things that happened spontaneously in the movies become staples of said universe, every single background individual becomes a legendary hero and, of course, history repeats again and again and again. It's bizarre.
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Mar 7, 2012 02:10
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Chewie is Sasquatch and the Yuuzhan Vong invaded in 1829. Some sperg lord made a timeline paralleling the Star Wars Universe with real life based on some non-canon story where Han and Chewie jump into hyperspace and crash land on Earth.
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I imagine that story happened solely so it could end with the scene of Indiana Jones discovering Han Solo's remains a hundred years later.
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computer parts posted:So that's what happened to Major Tom. This would be the nerdiest combination of things ever. I would love to see it.
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LLJKSiLk posted:Actually, when R2D2 and C3PO emerged from hiding, R2D2 dropped the Death Star plan disk. One of the troopers noticed, and being a secret Rebel sympathizer he rushed up and gave the disk back to R2, thereby keeping the plans moving and putting yet another person in possession of the Death Star plans. You son of a bitch. Every time. Every goddamn time.
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thrawn527 posted:You son of a bitch. He got me too. 
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thrawn527 posted:You son of a bitch. It says a lot about the EU that I can combine a simple fact with a paragraph of ridiculous bullshit and people can't tell whether I'm making poo poo up.
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Mar 7, 2012 16:52
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After Manny Both-Hanz I don't think there is any wookiepedia fake-out I will not fall for.
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Really, REALLY weird news, Topher Grace (yes THAT Topher Grace) has edited together the PT into one 85 minute movie. quote:His idea was to edit the Star Wars prequels into one movie, as they would provide him a lot of footage to work with. He used footage from all three prequels, a couple cuts from the original trilogy, some music from The Clone Wars television series, and even a dialogue bit from Anthony Daniels’ (C-3PO) audio book recordings. He even created a new opening text crawl to set up his version of the story.
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muscles like this? posted:Really, REALLY weird news, Topher Grace (yes THAT Topher Grace) has edited together the PT into one 85 minute movie. I really, really wish I could see this. I love the idea of it ending with Vader's mask lowering. That's really how Episode III should have ended.
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SeanBeansShako posted:Amazingly, Bossk survives and flourishes in later novels as water mark of lameness.
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Where are the books with the most Force power bad assery? I've read Dark Saber, Rogue Planet, Shadows of the Empire, That Darth Maul book, some of the The Thrawn/and Darth Bane trilogy. I'm considering the X-wing series next but what would be really cool is a book about a dude about someone with force powers who isn't a Jedi or Sith.
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Kneel Before Zog posted:I'm considering the X-wing series next but what would be really cool is a book about a dude about someone with force powers who isn't a Jedi or Sith. They don't have much "force power bad assery",but aside from that it's awesome. Start with Wraith Squadron by Aaron Allston. The only book that I can think of that has non Jedi/Sith Force users is Courtship of Princess Leia, which has the Force Witches of Dathomir.
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ecureuilmatrix posted:What annoys me about the JAT is that it covers one of the most important plot points of the After Endor era: Luke starting a new Jedi order. From that, we got Daala, the Sun Crusher, Kyp's Get-out-of-jail-free deal, the Solo kids raised on a space bunker... Even with Stackpole's fix, this crucial event was kinda fumbled, IMHO. Also, gently caress KJA's portrayal of Garm Bel Iblis.
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Sombrerotron posted:Also, gently caress KJA's portrayal of Garm Bel Iblis. Seriously.
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Sombrerotron posted:What bothers me more is that it set the standard for using (or rather: abusing) the Force as the ultimate plot device. I think that's one of the issues Zahn tried to address when he wrote the Hand Of Thrawn books; apparently, Luke was unconsciously using the dark side whenever that happened.
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Metal Loaf posted:I think that's one of the issues Zahn tried to address when he wrote the Hand Of Thrawn books; apparently, Luke was unconsciously using the dark side whenever that happened. It's been awhile since I've read it, but He (Mara) said that because Luke was too drat busy jumping around all willy-nilly, he wasn't able to actually hear/follow what the Force was telling him. All his action was creating a bunch of noise that made it difficult to understand what the Force was telling him. It's actually a really good explanation and ties in nicely with why the Jedi were extremely reluctant to jump into the Mandalorian Wars.
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Isn't it like canonically stated, if not directly, that Luke is basically at best a Dark Jedi with a nice attitude and that by killing people while working for Palps, etc. he is only different from the Sith in degree, not kind? Of course then I've also heard Kyle Katarn shoots a AT-AT with Force Lightning, and when Luke shits a brick over it, Kyle's like "what? it stopped it, you want I should slowly hack it to pieces?" In short, is there any definitive answer to what the Dark Side actually boils down to? Or do you just have to look for yellow-eye and go 'oh yeah, guess that was the dark side.'
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The force was in your heart all along, Bossk.
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Nessus posted:Isn't it like canonically stated, if not directly, that Luke is basically at best a Dark Jedi with a nice attitude and that by killing people while working for Palps, etc. he is only different from the Sith in degree, not kind? Right now (as of the latest Lucas sperging) it's pretty much circular logic. If someone's a badguy, they can only use the Dark Side. And we know that it's the Dark Side because a badguy is using it. EDIT: For example, there's a Force ability that lets the weilder STOP SOMEONE'S HEART, but only Light Side users can use it. Therefore, this ability is clearly "Good" EDIT2: Sometimes I feel that the EU is one step away from embracing Terry Goodkind levels of absurdity, where the heroes go out and massacre Evil Pacifists armed "only with their hatred of Moral Certainty" SirPhoebos fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Mar 9, 2012 |
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