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SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo

Cygni posted:

APUs have leaked, kinda meh





https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-3-3200g-and-ryzen-5-3400g-specs-and-pricing-leaks-out

e: ah, i forgot, these are still Zen+ so yeah. same dies as before with better binning it seems.

Yawn, let me known when the 4000U parts start showing up.

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Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

This avatar brought to you by the 'save our dead gay forums' foundation.
What is the situation like for 1U boards and coolers for Ryzen? 12C parts so cheap will turn the 1U short depth market on its head. Remote management could include a GPU suitable for installing OS and booting.

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles

Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:

The amount of L3 on the 3900X almost looks like a typo :eyepop:

The 8 core variants are one chiplet with the 36mb, getting to 12 means they're running two chiplets with 2 cores disabled per but you still have all that addition l3 cache from the second chiplet available.

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004

Twerk from Home posted:

What is the situation like for 1U boards and coolers for Ryzen? 12C parts so cheap will turn the 1U short depth market on its head. Remote management could include a GPU suitable for installing OS and booting.

I honestly surprised that they haven't created a basic workstation gpu in a type-c usb stick that could be used for exactly that purpose (with chipset support). Or maybe they have?

Mr.Radar
Nov 5, 2005

You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.

Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:

The amount of L3 on the 3900X almost looks like a typo :eyepop:

Intel's highest-end Xeons only have 38.5 MB L3 and now AMD goes and dumps 64 MB onto their consumer platform. :lol: EPYC Rome will have 256 MB L3 per socket with 64-core configurations.

Twerk from Home posted:

What is the situation like for 1U boards and coolers for Ryzen? 12C parts so cheap will turn the 1U short depth market on its head. Remote management could include a GPU suitable for installing OS and booting.

ASRock Rack has a few AM4 1U barebones systems including BMCs which should provide basic VGA support.

Mr.Radar fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jun 10, 2019

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

repiv posted:

The next gen consoles are going to be 8C/16T Zen2 parts so your build will be below the baseline in a year-ish if you go 6C/12T.

The current consoles have had 8 cores for the past 6 years, but games performance is still almost exclusively determined by their main thread. The work that has been moved off to other cores is collectively important, but individually tend to be bits and bobs that don't in the least need a core to themselves. That's why a heavily OC'ed 4 core CPU from 2011 still holds up.

I'm not expecting any miraculous developments in multithreaded performance in games, and I wouldn't be afraid that a 6c/12t CPU will suddenly be obsolete any time soon.

Perplx
Jun 26, 2004


Best viewed on Orgasma Plasma
Lipstick Apathy

Mr.Radar posted:

Intel's highest-end Xeons only have 38.5 MB L3 and now AMD goes and dumps 64 MB onto their consumer platform. :lol: EPYC Rome will have 256 MB L3 per socket with 64-core configurations.


Now I want to run linux solely off of L3 cache.

Mr.Radar
Nov 5, 2005

You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.
E3 presentation is starting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxPBXNuX6Xs

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

https://www.twitch.tv/amd

here we go

Deathreaper
Mar 27, 2010
Gaming benchmarks looking really good (from the presentation). Seems the 3rd gen Ryzen can hit 200+ fps at 1080p in virtually all high paced titles.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo


I guess AMD really had a chip on its shoulder with Source engined games being highly Intel-optimized.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

SwissArmyDruid posted:

I guess AMD really had a chip on its shoulder with Source engined games being highly Intel-optimized.

Not so much "Intel-optimized", more like

Happy_Misanthrope
Aug 3, 2007

"I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."
so AMD is introducing reshade lumasharpening, uh ok

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

nvidia also has sharpening in freestyle already

not really groundbreaking stuff there

SeaGoatSupreme
Dec 26, 2009
Ask me about fixed-gear bikes (aka "fixies")
I dunno if 400fps is gonna be enough for my csgo guys

Seamonster
Apr 30, 2007

IMMER SIEGREICH
$450 and $380

Happy_Misanthrope
Aug 3, 2007

"I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

Seamonster posted:

$450 and $380

Meh.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

You'll be sorry you made fun of me when Daddy Donald jails all my posting enemies!

Seamonster posted:

$450 and $380
So Nvidia just breathed a decent sigh of relief.

ZobarStyl
Oct 24, 2005

This isn't a war, it's a moider.

repiv posted:

Not so much "Intel-optimized", more like


I didn't know this image existed and that my life was poorer in its absence. I'm better now, thanks.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

They never announced the 16-core, are they going for a one-more-thing at the end?

jisforjosh
Jun 6, 2006

"It's J is for...you know what? Fuck it, jizz it is"

repiv posted:

They never announced the 16-core, are they going for a one-more-thing at the end?

Yep confirmed

Edit: MSRP $749

MagusDraco
Nov 11, 2011

even speedwagon was trolled
3950X is $750

Ouch

Almost Smart
Sep 14, 2001

so your telling me you wasn't drunk or fucked up in anyway. when you had sex with me and that monkey
$749 for the 3950X... In September :(

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

Serious Hardware / Software Crap › AMD CPU and Platfrom Discussion: Really gay for creative workloads!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMO9F6lHY1I

repiv fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Jun 11, 2019

Dramicus
Mar 26, 2010
Grimey Drawer

MagusDraco posted:

3950X is $750

Ouch

Hey look my prediction was spot on, I'm going to take adored's job now.

Why does it have to be September though, I'm loving impatient. I want to build my 16 core rig in July.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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MagusDraco posted:

3950X is $750

Ouch

That sounds like value to me tbh.

Dramicus
Mar 26, 2010
Grimey Drawer

incoherent posted:

That sounds like value to me tbh.

Especially when you consider that the equivalent Intel 16 core sells for $1500 and only boosts to 4.2.

mdxi
Mar 13, 2006

to JERK OFF is to be close to GOD... only with SPURTING

If I had just one machine, I'd upgrade to a 3950 in a heartbeat. I've got 4 though, so 3900s all around to start with. I'll swap in 3950s when the price drops and I'm thirstin' for those exxxtra cores.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

You'll be sorry you made fun of me when Daddy Donald jails all my posting enemies!
Sticking with my 3700X plan and then upgrading later. $750 is ouch.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

MagusDraco posted:

3950X is $750

Ouch

Yeah, the 16C/32T Threadripper 2950X is still going for $800, and this doesn't have weird MCM stuff and a cheaper mobo. I call it a win.

Otakufag
Aug 23, 2004
I just want to see the difference in gaming between the 3700x and the 3800x, loving independent benchmarks can't come soon enough.

Dramicus
Mar 26, 2010
Grimey Drawer

mdxi posted:

If I had just one machine, I'd upgrade to a 3950 in a heartbeat. I've got 4 though, so 3900s all around to start with. I'll swap in 3950s when the price drops and I'm thirstin' for those exxxtra cores.

I'm probably gonna play santa, get the 3900x in July and give my 2700x to a family member and then do it again in September with the 3950x. That way, I can be selfish and have fun building PC's, but they also won't go to waste.

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.
3900X + 2080 Super looks like a solid $1200 upgrade.

Might be able to snag an EDU discount RTX titan for 2k tho

Deathreaper
Mar 27, 2010
16 cores 32 threads in a mini-itx Ncase M-1 :getin:

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

You'll be sorry you made fun of me when Daddy Donald jails all my posting enemies!
Based on history is the 65w 3700x or 105w 3800x going to have higher limits for OC?

Dramicus
Mar 26, 2010
Grimey Drawer

ilkhan posted:

Based on history is the 65w 3700x or 105w 3800x going to have higher limits for OC?

Hard to say, historically the Zen and Zen+ parts have been pretty bad for OC. Zen 2 might be the same, but we won't know for sure until they are released and benchmarked.

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.

Deathreaper posted:

16 cores 32 threads in a mini-itx Ncase M-1 :getin:

Inject this directly into my veins............

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.

MagusDraco posted:

3950X is $750

Ouch


On one hand $750 is a ton of money for a consumer processor. On the other hand the pricing scales surprisingly linearly. It's less than the cost of 2 3800X's and clocks even higher out of the box.

For comparison, Intel charges you basically 100% more to get 33% more cores in Coffee Lake (9600k to 9900k).

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



ilkhan posted:

Based on history is the 65w 3700x or 105w 3800x going to have higher limits for OC?

The only reason I'd buy a 3800x is if it can overclock better, if it doesn't then I just cant justify the price increase

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Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry
A couple of PCIe questions:

Have they shown any kind of block diagram of how the PCIe lanes connect to the CPU cores? Do they go to the CPU chiplets or to the memory controller die?

I saw that they are going to be 16+4+4 lanes: graphics slot, M.2 slot, and mobo chipset/peripherals. Can PCIe 4.0 run in mixed mode? ie: Can you use a 3.0 GPU and a 4.0 M.2 drive at the same time at their native speeds?

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