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bongwizzard
May 19, 2005

Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Grimey Drawer

Mierenneuker posted:

I remember having to go over to a friend's house so I could watch someone else play video games.

The shittalking is just the same as it is was back then though.

Not really, the constant fear of getting a controller thrown at your head ensured that if you're going to poo poo talk, you had to bring your A game so the other kids in the room would take your side.

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Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

In 90s Japan they used to sell video tapes of people playing through games. It's a lonely culture.

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde
I think the Girl Scouts are diluting their brand to hell and back.









I've also seen ice cream, gum, and herbal tea.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

girl scouts cookies were never good anyway. Extending their brand to more crap makes sense.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Glazier posted:

This is blatantly unenforceable, at least in the United States, I'd like to see them try.

Look at this guy who has no idea how copyright law works in the US.

ArcMage posted:

Is there case law on that? I mean, it seems right plain streaming of gameplay isn't transformative, but some streamers verge on literary analysis, or technical, which might have a sufficient original portion to be defended, maybe?

E: EULA EULA lol I guess

Doesn't matter because youtubers can't afford to take big publishers to court. Gotta love our legal system :)

Also Fair Use law in this country has been completely eroded by rich content holders, the only thing it really protects these days is "parody" which covers Porn and South Park and that's about it. (because they have lawyers)

Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 07:21 on Apr 6, 2017

Screaming Idiot
Nov 26, 2007

JUST POSTING WHILE JERKIN' MY GHERKIN SITTIN' IN A PERKINS!

BEATS SELLING MERKINS.
Recently Toei forced Youtube to delete every episode of DBZ Abridged, which was a bad move since a lot of people got into DBZ from watching it. I'm sure it killed a lot of their goodwill as well, especially since Team Fourstar has collaborated with a lot of offical DBZ projects, including Dragonball Xenoverse and Xenoverse 2.

So good job, Toei, on killing an amazing source of free advertising because you're afraid someone will get their fill of screaming anime men from a parody Youtube account.

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013



who is this even for

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Zaphod42 posted:

Also Fair Use law in this country has been completely eroded by rich content holders, the only thing it really protects these days is "parody" which covers Porn and South Park and that's about it. (because they have lawyers)

That's extremely incorrect. However, Fair Use is an *affirmative* defense, which means you have to raise it to the court, which means it only kicks in after a lawsuit is threatened.

ArtIsResistance
May 19, 2007

QUEEN OF FRANCE, SAVIOR OF LOWTAX

Pastry of the Year posted:



who is this even for

Well it's scantron so this is an ad for a product that doesn't care about selling the product because educational institutions aren't just gonna stop using scantron

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Screaming Idiot posted:

Recently Toei forced Youtube to delete every episode of DBZ Abridged, which was a bad move since a lot of people got into DBZ from watching it. I'm sure it killed a lot of their goodwill as well, especially since Team Fourstar has collaborated with a lot of offical DBZ projects, including Dragonball Xenoverse and Xenoverse 2.

So good job, Toei, on killing an amazing source of free advertising because you're afraid someone will get their fill of screaming anime men from a parody Youtube account.

Oh man that blows, DBZ Abridged was great.

If they wanna get away with it though they'll have to go the RiffTrax route and just supply the audio. But that's a pain and yeah, Toei should just deal with it since all its gonna do is increase the value of their property, not decrease it.

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty
If Toei were smart they'd cut a deal for like, an official dvd release or something.

Ape Has Killed Ape
Sep 15, 2005

It's probably the automated copyright system loving up like every other time. This happens a lot, they'll be back up within a few weeks. In the meantime everything is still up on their website.

The Door Frame
Dec 5, 2011

I don't know man everytime I go to the gym here there are like two huge dudes with raging high and tights snorting Nitro-tech off of each other's rock hard abs.

Phanatic posted:

That's extremely incorrect. However, Fair Use is an *affirmative* defense, which means you have to raise it to the court, which means it only kicks in after a lawsuit is threatened.

That's not entirely incorrect. Fair Use is definitely an affirmative defense, but what is being discussed is a company forcing customers to give up their right to publish a transformative work in a contract of adhesion (i.e. a EULA). Unethical and borderline illegal stuff shows up all the time in EULA's even though provisions like those in contracts of adhesion are rarely held up in court, due to the coercive and intentionally obtuse nature of most EULA's*. There's little legal precedent about this because the biggest thing that prevents most of these breaches and oversteps from becoming precedence in case law is the money issue, since fighting a court battle is expensive as all loving get out, even in slam-dunk cases.

Bear in mind, access to justice is an entirely different argument I'd prefer not to get into from, "publisher destroying its primary source of free advertisement," but it speaks to how they can get away with something that feels illegal without a single real challenge, since it's in such a legal gray area

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use posted:

Although fair use ostensibly permits certain uses without liability, many content creators and publishers try to avoid a potential court battle by seeking a legally unnecessary license from copyright owners for any use of non-public domain material, even in situations where a fair use defense would likely succeed... Fair use rights take precedence over the author's interest. Thus the copyright holder cannot use a non-binding disclaimer, or notification, to revoke the right of fair use on works. However, binding agreements such as contracts or licence agreements may take precedence over fair use rights

*Not my opinion or from my experience, copyright attorney Leonard French said it and I have little reason to doubt it

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

The Door Frame posted:

That's not entirely incorrect.

What I was addressing that towards was this bit:

"Also Fair Use law in this country has been completely eroded by rich content holders, the only thing it really protects these days is "parody" which covers Porn and South Park and that's about it. (because they have lawyers) "

Which is demonstrably incorrect, and there're a bunch of recent cases disproving it.

ArcMage
Sep 14, 2007

What is this thread?

Ramrod XTreme

Zaphod42 posted:

Look at this guy who has no idea how copyright law works in the US.


Doesn't matter because youtubers can't afford to take big publishers to court. Gotta love our legal system :)

Also Fair Use law in this country has been completely eroded by rich content holders, the only thing it really protects these days is "parody" which covers Porn and South Park and that's about it. (because they have lawyers)

Er, porn, South Park, and the entire YouTube video recut ecosystem, surely?

Filing a DMCA protest isn't hard, and it's about like showing up in court for your speeding ticket, half the time they'll toss it just because you made the effort.

Reviews and critique are hilariously well-protected under US law, and there are plenty of firms in the business of protecting the interests of freedom of speech against copyright on principle.

e: While I understand that failing to exert a copyright does not make it alright to infringe, failing to exert a copyright does damage the holder's case should it go to court.

ArcMage has a new favorite as of 02:53 on Apr 7, 2017

The Door Frame
Dec 5, 2011

I don't know man everytime I go to the gym here there are like two huge dudes with raging high and tights snorting Nitro-tech off of each other's rock hard abs.

Phanatic posted:

What I was addressing that towards was this bit:

"Also Fair Use law in this country has been completely eroded by rich content holders, the only thing it really protects these days is "parody" which covers Porn and South Park and that's about it. (because they have lawyers) "

Which is demonstrably incorrect, and there're a bunch of recent cases disproving it.

Oh, that babbling is complete horseshit, which you correctly called out. I ignored the actual written words in his post and was going by the indignant tone and frustration with IP law seeming to only protect people who can afford to bring a case to trial and fight any appeals. I see a lot of people who view companies abusing the DMCA in much the same way that most people view patent trolls. That anger is understandable, but it's not particularly helpful unless it's actually directed at the abusers in question

It also doesn't help that the law as we know it now is the result of decades of lobbying efforts. Or that IP litigation has gotten so outrageous that it was "an investment" for Samsung to erect an outdoor ice skating rink in Texas. Or that copyright infringement can result in a longer prison sentence than drunkenly killing a family with your car. Or that the US will ignore national sovereignty and extradite copyright violators to US courts to face "justice"

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

ArcMage posted:


e: While I understand that failing to exert a copyright does not make it alright to infringe, failing to exert a copyright does damage the holder's case should it go to court.

That's trademarks: if you fail to defend your trademarks, you can lose them. That does not hold true for copyright law, you can enforce those as arbitrarily as you like. If you want to be able to extract more than statutory damages, you need to register them with the copyright office, but that's about it.


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Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit

Captain Monkey posted:

http://community.garadget.com/t/iphone-app-will-not-stay-open-just-flashes-when-trying-to-launch/1706


Phone app garage door opener bricks a guy's device (the door opener not the phone) after a relatively benign one star review.

It hasn't gone that well for them.

Link leads to nothing now :(

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
I think the original amazon review is gone too

Otana
Jun 1, 2005

Let's go see what kind of trouble we can get into.

Johnny Aztec posted:

Link leads to nothing now :(

Looks like they're backpedaling.

http://community.garadget.com/t/official-statement-regarding-the-disconnected-customer-incident/1857/3

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Because the 2016 election is the gift that never stops giving, Trump selected the congressman from a nearby district for his cabinet and now there's a new election to replace his seat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O259hYpxOXg

Maybe I'm just introverted and anti-social, but this feels like he's invading my personal space. The camera gets closer, closer, then BAM quick cut and he's right on you. Then a close up of Montgomery Burns and end with a somewhat sinister "one of us."

Moody is currently polling at 7%. So good marketing.

Double Punctuation
Dec 30, 2009

Ships were made for sinking;
Whiskey made for drinking;
If we were made of cellophane
We'd all get stinking drunk much faster!

ArcMage posted:

Er, porn, South Park, and the entire YouTube video recut ecosystem, surely?

Filing a DMCA protest isn't hard, and it's about like showing up in court for your speeding ticket, half the time they'll toss it just because you made the effort.

Reviews and critique are hilariously well-protected under US law, and there are plenty of firms in the business of protecting the interests of freedom of speech against copyright on principle.

The catch is you have to identify yourself to fight a DMCA claim. Therefore, people can file illegitimate DMCA claims with the expectation that you'll either take down your stuff or make yourself subject to harassment. (Doing this is a felony for a number of reasons, but you'd have to get a lawyer to convince a judge you're worth the time.) The YouTube system is kind of a double-edged sword in that respect: it makes it easier to take stuff down, but it also makes it easier to fight it.

ArcMage
Sep 14, 2007

What is this thread?

Ramrod XTreme

Phanatic posted:

That's trademarks: if you fail to defend your trademarks, you can lose them. That does not hold true for copyright law, you can enforce those as arbitrarily as you like. If you want to be able to extract more than statutory damages, you need to register them with the copyright office, but that's about it.


I find your views intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

That was what I said; you don't lose them for failing to protect them, but the courts do not, historically, look kindly on attempted selective prosecution.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

ArcMage posted:

That was what I said; you don't lose them for failing to protect them, but the courts do not, historically, look kindly on attempted selective prosecution.

Well, generally, authors and studios and such have generally opted to turn a blind eye to things like fanfiction, online fan art, etc. and still successfully prosecute other infringement cases, so there's some leeway. J. K. Rowling tolerated an online "Harry Potter encyclopedia" thing for a while, but when the guy who compiled it tried to sell it in print, she sued and won.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

The teaser for Netflix' new Marvel show is set to a modernized remix of Nirvana's Come As You Are and I have no idea what target group they're even trying to hit with that anymore.

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde
Probably not a dumb move:



If you can't see it, it says "Hey kids, this is advertising." in the top left corner. I couldn't find the ad-bar that led me there, but it also had it. Kind of refreshing.


Those teeth are still nightmarish, though.

ShadeofBlue
Mar 17, 2011

Beachcomber posted:

I think the Girl Scouts are diluting their brand to hell and back.

I've also seen ice cream, gum, and herbal tea.

The Bigelow Thin Mint Tea is really good though.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
Not so much a "marketing" move but United is going to need some great loving marketers when poo poo like this happens on their planes:
https://twitter.com/jaysedavid/status/851223662976004096

https://twitter.com/vonstrenginho/status/851407325319618560

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Beachcomber posted:

Probably not a dumb move:



If you can't see it, it says "Hey kids, this is advertising." in the top left corner. I couldn't find the ad-bar that led me there, but it also had it. Kind of refreshing.


Those teeth are still nightmarish, though.

Its for global compliance, so dont get too positive.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

The dude on that plane was screaming like a bitch. I bet he's a sovereign citizen.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.
:woop::siren: Chicago police! :siren::woop:

I always wondered how they choose who gets bumped from a flight. Do they go by check in time or something? Cause tossing someone that's already on and in their seat is kinda weird.

waggles
Jul 21, 2011

Here to spread frog love.
Fallen Rib

Mu Zeta posted:

The dude on that plane was screaming like a bitch. I bet he's a sovereign citizen.

In the Schadenfreude thread the guy forced out is a doctor that has to see patients the next day. They gave his seat to a United employee.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

A doctor in the coach seats?

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Mu Zeta posted:

A doctor in the coach seats?

You dont stay rich by spending rich.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Mu Zeta posted:

A doctor in the coach seats?

It's a pretty short flight from Chicago to Louisville. No need to spend extra.

waggles
Jul 21, 2011

Here to spread frog love.
Fallen Rib
This is what I found about it through Twitter.

bitterandtwisted
Sep 4, 2006




Beachcomber posted:

Probably not a dumb move:



If you can't see it, it says "Hey kids, this is advertising." in the top left corner. I couldn't find the ad-bar that led me there, but it also had it. Kind of refreshing.


Those teeth are still nightmarish, though.

What did you have with your corned beef?

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
https://twitter.com/AlamoNYC/status/851448491742285824

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

waggles posted:

In the Schadenfreude thread the guy forced out is a doctor that has to see patients the next day. They gave his seat to a United employee.

Yeah, but the United employees were flight crews that needed to get to another plane. I can see it being an issue if it was just an employee on a personal trip.

That said, you keep raising the offer, you don't call police to drag passengers off the plane. Especially when they apparently had a way to fly you out 2 hours later rather than the next day like the original offer. And you pick the White guy to throw off. Not a minority, jeez United.

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Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Krispy Kareem posted:

Yeah, but the United employees were flight crews that needed to get to another plane. I can see it being an issue if it was just an employee on a personal trip.

That said, you keep raising the offer, you don't call police to drag passengers off the plane. Especially when they apparently had a way to fly you out 2 hours later rather than the next day like the original offer. And you pick the White guy to throw off. Not a minority, jeez United.

The passengers were randomly chosen, please don't make this a weird reverse racism thing for goony idiots to run with. The problem is they assaulted him. Getting violent with a non-violent person, no matter what they did, is wrong 100% of the time.

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