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Sickening posted:You mean when standard is bad people don't want to play? Yeah, Path and Serum Visions got great numbers, it's just that the majority of FNMs are Standard and no one wanted to play Standard. What good are shiny Aether Hubs when no one's playing Magic? Wizards clearly pushes some uncommons above the power level, and those would make perfect promos for their "seasons". But someone asked for the optimistic view on the FNM promo change, so I'll give it a shot. - It discourages wanna-be grinders from showing up to FNM just for the promo. Those types make FNM less fun for people who come for fun because they try to rules shark FNM, bring tier 1 decks to a casual night, and complain loudly when they don't get randomly selected for a promo. - It makes WotC's other sanctioned offerings more appealing. FNM is now a neat thing you can do on Fridays, but look, there's so many cooler giveaways at these other events you didn't care about before! Casual players may expand their horizons because of this. - The token is a thing players can use right away no matter what format their FNM is. If it's limited, they've got a good chance a card in their deck makes that token. If it's Standard, well maybe multiple decks are making tokens? Who knows. When FNM promos weren't based around the newest set, they had a good chance of not even being a card anyone was playing with at FNM no matter what the format. - Players do care about double-sided tokens. Not "I want this as my FNM promo!" levels of caring, but they liked the double-sided Thopter/Servo and Zombies. I don't know about you, but I'd trade this Reverse Engineer FNM promo I have on my desk for literally any double-sided foil token.
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AceClown posted:One day I'll write an effort post about it but on a fundamental level Count Bleck is right, the elephant in WotC's room is EDH. It's overwhelmingly the format that get's played in stores day to day*, they can't control the cards going in to it on any appreciable level, it's very newbie friendly and I imagine very few people crack packs for that sweet sweet EDH tech. WotC is very aware of EDH and it's place in the player ecosystem which is why they don't do big-prize tournaments in EDH cause it would break the ecosystem. They print obviously EDH targeted cards in every set and a good amount of secondary market demand is EDH.
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Star Man posted:Did WotC or Hasbro go through a big shakeup in their board or something recently? They brought in a new CEO. Growth is not as high as it used to be, but is still positive. Is anyone else in the digital next alpha?
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Jul 17, 2017 23:17
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I didn't think it would be possible to defend getting a noncard over an actual card as a promo but some idiots are trying, god bless.
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Commit // Memory doxes tf out of Fraying Sanity. I'm shifting to an izzet/grixis build with 10 MB counterspells. Having good results against Temur and Monument. Poor results against Mardu and non-delirium G/B builds (Playing against Delirium is lol af cause they mill themselves for you usually). Fraying is best against other control builds just beware of Commit. I'll post results tonight/tomorrow morning. If I perform well with this deck at a pptq I'll mirror the decklist with paper magic and go to an actual pptq or SCG event or something. Otherwise there's always Mardu, I guess...
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Jul 17, 2017 23:20
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Yeah imagine being the type of person who is more excited to get a token than a playable card.
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Jul 17, 2017 23:21
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:They brought in a new CEO. Growth is not as high as it used to be, but is still positive. I thought "Digital Next" was a generic term for various electronic offerings they have in the pipeline rather than any specific product.
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Jul 17, 2017 23:24
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If they really wanted to appeal to casual players then promos would be the big dumb red enchantments or dragons or angels that aren't worth anything but DO move packs
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Jul 17, 2017 23:29
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Jul 17, 2017 23:33
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The only way to make fnm as casual as possible is to give everyone flat prizes that have nothing to do with winrate. Fnm, everyone gets 4 rounds and a pack. That would drive everyone with a competitive bone in their body to cut and run.
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Anil Dasharez0ne posted:I thought "Digital Next" was a generic term for various electronic offerings they have in the pipeline rather than any specific product. No they have a new studio that brings it all together, they've discontinued duels development and scaled back modo development, and they are definitely working on a new client. There's been a publicly shown screenshot from an investor deck that shows the in-duel view which was very hearthstonelike. Personally, I can say with confidence it is not the in-duel experience keeping me back from playing modo much.
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Sickening posted:The only way to make fnm as casual as possible is to give everyone flat prizes that have nothing to do with winrate. Fnm, everyone gets 4 rounds and a pack. That would drive everyone with a competitive bone in their body to cut and run. My LGS closed and I've been looking around for another. This place charges $15 instead of $12 and offers pack per win and it was loving terrible. Also I went 3-0 and didn't get the draft weekend playmat or anything 
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Jul 17, 2017 23:40
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Jul 17, 2017 23:41
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Carl Killer Miller posted:
I feel like Ramunap Excavator is just going to be another one of those cards that looks good but never sees any play anywhere. I am finding it hard to even put a one of in company. If you don't need them, I would sell/trade them while they are still high.
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Sickening posted:I feel like Ramunap Excavator is just going to be another one of those cards that looks good but never sees any play anywhere. I am finding it hard to even put a one of in company. I'm not going to use it. Where do you usually sell cards? Ebay?
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Sickening posted:I feel like Ramunap Excavator is just going to be another one of those cards that looks good but never sees any play anywhere. I am finding it hard to even put a one of in company. This is exactly what I've thought since it was spoiled. Especially lol at the people on twitch saying it'll be a 4-of in legacy lands.
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Jul 17, 2017 23:49
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Carl Killer Miller posted:I'm not going to use it. Where do you usually sell cards? Ebay? Facebook but I live in one of the largest metro areas. If you really must mail them to people the goon buy sell thread is probably a good bet.
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suicidesteve posted:This is exactly what I've thought since it was spoiled. Especially lol at the people on twitch saying it'll be a 4-of in legacy lands. It just doesnt any anything the artifact doesn't accept be a creature. This seems to be a bigger downside in most instances outside of decks with heavy creature mechanics.
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BJPaskoff posted:Yeah, Path and Serum Visions got great numbers, it's just that the majority of FNMs are Standard and no one wanted to play Standard. What good are shiny Aether Hubs when no one's playing Magic? Wizards clearly pushes some uncommons above the power level, and those would make perfect promos for their "seasons". I know you're doing the positive gimmick thing but this is their logic. They're trying to splinter the playerbase into different categories. The problem is that MTG events are the definition of "the more the merrier". Try firing a 7 man FNM and a 6 man Standard showdown. You need all types to come to every event because lots of different people hanging out and playing games is a huge part of what makes MTG fun. The social aspect is what keeps MTG relevant when Hearthstone and a million clones of it exist.
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Sickening posted:It just doesnt any anything the artifact doesn't accept be a creature. This seems to be a bigger downside in most instances outside of decks with heavy creature mechanics. it's interesting in a Bant CoCo / KotR shell in modern at least. Still probably not broken since that isn't really tier 1 this isn't going to make the difference.
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Crucible man exists for edh players who, quite reasonably, don't want to pay $60 for crucibles
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TheKingofSprings posted:I meant more like the MCU To bring this conversation back to pro wrestling, Wizards now has the Mick Foley problem on their hands. Mick Foley was a unique character who was very charismatic. He could talk his way into making the fans believe in him. But he also looked like a schlub and wore sweatpants in the ring. But he could fall down really well. So every dumb motherfuck who wanted to be a wrestler thought if they could bump off of buildings and light themselves on fire it would make them a star. But people don't want a d-list Foley. And companies don't need another Foley when they've already got the real thing. Because everyone knows you're just a lovely knock off. The Gatewatch is the lovely Foley. When your entire marketing pitch is "like the Avengers, but X" you may get your poo poo approved by an idiot CEO who wants to chase Marvel money, but it won't loving work.
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BJPaskoff posted:- Players do care about double-sided tokens. Not "I want this as my FNM promo!" levels of caring, but they liked the double-sided Thopter/Servo and Zombies. I don't know about you, but I'd trade this Reverse Engineer FNM promo I have on my desk for literally any double-sided foil token. I'd also say: - Foil tokens are not something they often do. You can get an Aether Hub, even a foil one, through Kaladesh packs, but your Servos or Constructs will never be foil through packs.
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I mean I need one of those Excavators for EDH. For Animar. Because people won't stop blowing up my lands. Because they're afraid of a 1/1 that dies to bolt. 
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GoutPatrol posted:To bring this conversation back to pro wrestling, Wizards now has the Mick Foley problem on their hands. I love this, and yes this is very accurate.
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GoutPatrol posted:To bring this conversation back to pro wrestling, Wizards now has the Mick Foley problem on their hands. Mods please make talking about pro wrestling permabannable
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PJOmega posted:Reminder that stores couldn't handle the Amonkhet D4s properly. At the SCG Hour prerelease, they wouldn't give me the D4's for bringing a friend because "Then everyone who signs up for 2HG could get one".
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bigperm posted:At the SCG Hour prerelease, they wouldn't give me the D4's for bringing a friend because "Then everyone who signs up for 2HG could get one". You should probably email wotc organized play with the store name for poo poo like this.
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SoftNum posted:You should probably email wotc organized play with the store name for poo poo like this. The store name is Star City Games...
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SoftNum posted:You should probably email wotc organized play with the store name for poo poo like this. I am 100% convinced that this doesn't mean a loving thing these days unless it blows up on reddit. They just can't afford to ban customers right now.
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Imagine owning a store and having Wizards tell you "Yeah we don't want as many people out for FNM"
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:They brought in a new CEO. Growth is not as high as it used to be, but is still positive. It'd be sweet if the alpha wasn't sunday only.
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80s James Hetfield posted:Mods please make talking about pro wrestling permabannable instead ban this idiot imo
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bigperm posted:The store name is Star City Games... Good, they need knocked down a peg or two.
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I'd rather have good double sided tokens I'd actually use during that FNM draft season than the one out of three good promos with two who cares, but then we all know in like three months the tokens will be "Crushidra, dinosaur made by random walker" and then some loving weird 5/2 beast token made by a rare red enchantment that isn't even playable in draft. Then we'll get some lame post about how the data supports not overproducing desirable tokens because a market research focus group is just sick of 2/2 zombie tokens and squirrels. Later they'll bring FNM promos back after they form a new Promos team to playtest which promos will be good and it'll fine get back on track.
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Count Bleck posted:I mean I need one of those Excavators for EDH. Who runs Bolt in EDH?
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Jul 18, 2017 01:18
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WoTC: Faster Horses since 1990
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Zemyla posted:Who runs Bolt in EDH? It's in about 16% of red decks by EDHrec's stats, in half of French Duel Commander's lists, and literally every red list but Animar in modomander.
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Zemyla posted:Who runs Bolt in EDH? Where else are you going to get to play Lightning Bolt?
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Zemyla posted:Who runs Bolt in EDH? nobody because running anything that might interrupt anyone elses gameplan ever is unfun and fun police and you should hang your head in shame for ever trying to interact with anyone ever.
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