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Fireside Nut
Feb 10, 2010

turp


shame on an IGA posted:

ahahahahaha the SPAC that's supposed to be buying Donald Trump's twitter-but-with-the-serial-filed-off is going to hit its liquidation deadline before the deal closes

lol is that DWAC?

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drk
Jan 16, 2005

Deviant posted:

i mean, statistically speaking most people do wear underwear

underwear is apparently uncouth, they call it "innerwear" in their financial reports

also sales and margins are falling and they lost ~$15M to a ransomware attack

drk
Jan 16, 2005

Fireside Nut posted:

lol is that DWAC?

yes, and its somehow still trading at >$20, even though it sounds like they have a matter of weeks before they will need to return the $10/share and close up

Woodchip
Mar 28, 2010
man I'm glad I got into INTC in the high 30s, no way that could lose, yup.

drk
Jan 16, 2005

Woodchip posted:

man I'm glad I got into INTC in the high 30s, no way that could lose, yup.

<eyes my ~$45 cost basis>

it was always a 2025 play for me, but yeah I certainly wouldve liked to get in at $30 instead. sub $30 looks very possible this week

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

What do you see causing Intel pulling out of it's nosedive and skyrocketing to $46

I can see Intel sliding down to 19 and then finding support at $22 and staying there until they find a way to dig up Andy Groves corpse and put him in charge again

nnnotime
Sep 30, 2001

Hesitate, and you will be lost.

Hadlock posted:

What do you see causing Intel pulling out of it's nosedive and skyrocketing to $46

I can see Intel sliding down to 19 and then finding support at $22 and staying there until they find a way to dig up Andy Groves corpse and put him in charge again
I don't see it going up to $46. But as long as they can fund the dividend I don't see it dropping to $19. Shouldn't CHIPs act funds help keep some cash flow available? Also stuck here with INTC at basis of $42.

Maybe with upcoming layoffs the demand for cheap PCs will go up as bored, unemployed workers decided they need new PC systems to download porn and pirate movies and games. I can dream...

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

drk posted:

yes, and its somehow still trading at >$20, even though it sounds like they have a matter of weeks until thursday before they will need to return the $10/share and close up

Sokani
Jul 20, 2006



Bison
You're not seeing the big picture. If they close the deal they can't do DWAC2.

drk
Jan 16, 2005

Hadlock posted:

What do you see causing Intel pulling out of it's nosedive and skyrocketing to $46

I can see Intel sliding down to 19 and then finding support at $22 and staying there until they find a way to dig up Andy Groves corpse and put him in charge again

The intel play is about them 1) catching up in foundry and 2) getting 3rd party foundry customers buying at volume. That obviously isnt going to happen this year, but its not exactly a secret that they are building multiple leading edge fabs, like, today. My recollection is 2024 and 2025 are the years to watch.

The risk there is obvious. People who manage to call the the bottom are going to do quite well I think.

yummycheese
Mar 28, 2004

isnt DWAC’s big thing is they need the share holders to vote to extend the merger deadline, but all dwac holders are delusional retail traders who never vote and there isn’t enough institutional holders to easily snag a majority vote.

seems like the Thursday deadline is going to easily come and go

Valicious
Aug 16, 2010
The currency conversion rate is 142 yen to the Dollar right now. That’s the highest it’s been since 1985. (250:1)
I have a huge trip (nearly a month long) to Tokyo coming up in April/May, and I’m thinking of buying a $2000-$3000 in yen now because the rate is likely going to come crashing back to normal once the country opens up and foreigners inject billions each month into the economy.
How would I go about doing this? Am I dumb for doing this?

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Yeah I don't see the convincing story on INTC good luck. Seems like fintech is better positioned to bounce back before Intel does anything interesting

yummycheese posted:

isnt DWAC’s big thing is they need the share holders to vote to extend the merger deadline, but all dwac holders are delusional retail traders who never vote and there isn’t enough institutional holders to easily snag a majority vote.

seems like the Thursday deadline is going to easily come and go

What happens if I buy a 9/9 put for $0.55 ($55) and the shares redistribute back to $10

Canine Blues Arooo
Jan 7, 2008

when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with

Grimey Drawer

drk posted:

The intel play is about them 1) catching up in foundry and 2) getting 3rd party foundry customers buying at volume. That obviously isnt going to happen this year, but its not exactly a secret that they are building multiple leading edge fabs, like, today. My recollection is 2024 and 2025 are the years to watch.

The risk there is obvious. People who manage to call the the bottom are going to do quite well I think.

This is accurate. If they manage to catch up to TSMC's node tech, that'd be a pretty big deal, and they seem to be at least putting money in that direction, however, I think their real winning path (at least in the mid-ish term) here is large volumes of chips on a less advanced node. There is a huge demand for chips that aren't 5nm/3nm.

LibCrusher
Jan 6, 2019

by Fluffdaddy

Canine Blues Arooo posted:

This is accurate. If they manage to catch up to TSMC's node tech, that'd be a pretty big deal, and they seem to be at least putting money in that direction, however, I think their real winning path (at least in the mid-ish term) here is large volumes of chips on a less advanced node. There is a huge demand for chips that aren't 5nm/3nm.

They already do that

yummycheese
Mar 28, 2004

Hadlock posted:

What happens if I buy a 9/9 put for $0.55 ($55) and the shares redistribute back to $10

I naively assume after thursday that the shares will trade at $10 cause that's what they're worth. Right now it seems like retail is keeping a dead body alive.

Seems like there is a lot of action on that $10 put coming up in 3 days. The IV % numbers are crazy

yummycheese fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Sep 6, 2022

Elephanthead
Sep 11, 2008


Toilet Rascal

drk posted:

yes, and its somehow still trading at >$20, even though it sounds like they have a matter of weeks before they will need to return the $10/share and close up

Not buying trump Twitter is the best outcome

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Bought another TQQQ put, during this mornings rally, this time with my winnings, 9/16P at $26.50

Baddog
May 12, 2001

drk posted:

yes, and its somehow still trading at >$20, even though it sounds like they have a matter of weeks before they will need to return the $10/share and close up

Hey, I think they are just going to extend for another 6 months (they can do that w/o shareholder approval).

Welcome to hear argument otherwise, because if not we can just sell end of week call spreads and go to town, but I'm pretty sure its still going to be above 20 next week. And maybe get pumped again.

yummycheese
Mar 28, 2004

was reading that they can give themselves a three month extension but they have to pay $2.8 million out of their own pocket which is pretty expensive and no one seems to know if that is enough time.

probably not. thursday still looking interesting

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

drk posted:

The intel play is about them:

1) catching up in foundry and
2) getting 3rd party foundry customers buying at volume. That obviously isnt going to happen this year, but its not exactly a secret that they are building multiple leading edge fabs, like, today. My recollection is 2024 and 2025 are the years to watch.

The risk there is obvious. People who manage to call the the bottom are going to do quite well I think.

This headline is not inspiring me with confidence

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-expects-continued-market-share-loss-throughout-2023-will-likely-exit-more-businesses

MetaJew
Apr 14, 2006
Gather round, one and all, and thrill to my turgid tales of underwhelming misadventure!
Intel gonna refocus money on profitable endeavors like stock buybacks and dividends, and not expensive things like fabs or chips.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Are stock buybacks technically profitable? Or do they just improve shareholder value. Honestly curious

q_k
Dec 31, 2007





Hadlock posted:

Are stock buybacks technically profitable? Or do they just improve shareholder value. Honestly curious

Upward price movement, and increased image of success should translate to better rates and ease of securing lines of credit/issuing bonds right?

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



Stock buybacks should be dividends, imo

nnnotime
Sep 30, 2001

Hesitate, and you will be lost.

Hadlock posted:

Are stock buybacks technically profitable? Or do they just improve shareholder value. Honestly curious
They are profitable for the US government, now, since most large buybacks will be taxed, as of passage of the Inflation Reduction act.

Subvisual Haze
Nov 22, 2003

The building was on fire and it wasn't my fault.
In a non-tax advantaged account dividends are treated as income and will thus raise your taxes (at different rates depending on income bracket and whether they meet requirements to be "qualified" dividends). Even if you choose to immediately re-invest the dividends, they're still treated as income on your taxes. A stock buyback by lowering the number of shares available will theoretically raise the price of the shares you hold but not trigger any taxes until you sell and choose to trigger capital gains. So greater personal control over if/when you owe taxes on those investments.

Deviant
Sep 26, 2003

i've forgotten all of your names.


$goon creepin' back up baby!

Baddog
May 12, 2001
Goons still fighting over buybacks!

Buybacks will only get taxed at 1% eh? So still a clear choice to return money to shareholders by doing them instead of dividends.

drk
Jan 16, 2005

Lord_Hambrose posted:

Stock buybacks should be dividends, imo

:hmmyes:

future tax rates are unknowable, current tax rates are low

Eyes Only
May 20, 2008

Do not attempt to adjust your set.

drk posted:

:hmmyes:

future tax rates are unknowable, current tax rates are low

You say this, but in 2029 the Republicans institute a flat tax + VAT or some other unpredictable thing.

Anyone that has been an adult since 2015 and thinks they can reasonably predict the course of politics in the US is a fool.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Eyes Only posted:

Anyone that has been an adult since 2015 and thinks they can reasonably predict the course of politics in the US is a fool.

Looking forward to SALT repeal expiring in 2025 just long enough to get grandfathered in to whatever :dance:

nnnotime
Sep 30, 2001

Hesitate, and you will be lost.
So some critical Russian military positions have been collapsing under successful UKR assaults the past few days, much to most people's surprise.

Does that mean oil prices will drop significantly next week? I wonder what stocks could significantly bounce back? I know the war is a long ways from over, but wonder if any big players in the market will take long positions in anticipation of a Russian loss.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Oil prices would decline if two things both happened

1) dropped Russian sanctions
2) global oil buyers bought Russian oil using rubles instead of dollars or euros

I'm not sure what I'll take to drop Russian sanctions, and the US is highly dependent upon global oil sales done in USD for reasons outside the discussion here

edit: added italics part

Hadlock fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Sep 11, 2022

yummycheese
Mar 28, 2004

US based oil companies are easily the biggest beneficiary of the Russia oil/gas ban.

some O&G names are up 50% on their share price alone this year

hell the US exports more oil now than pre pandemic and thats with allegedly subdued demand due to EU economic problems.

Texas now produces more than Saudi arabia.

its crazy out there

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009
Oil prices could drop based on our own exports ramping up and also Kazakhstan supply ramping up if Russia collapses a bit (supply lines travel through Russia who has been preventing them). Profitable times for the us. Remember EU is already finding new suppliers ie: Azerbaijan.

I expect a great week ahead though, hopefully lots of volatility again. Last week was great.

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.


Does OPEC's supply tightening figure into the energy chat?

notwithoutmyanus
Mar 17, 2009
Yep, it's money for the USA as they ramp up production, as oil prices probably will drop anyway. The more I look the more the situation looks like a repeat of the 80s or has a lot of parallels.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Hadlock posted:

Bought another TQQQ put, during this mornings rally, this time with my winnings, 9/16P at $26.50

Looking like a mistake

Wondering if last week was just the dead cat bounce before CPI riggity riggity wrecks poo poo

Or maybe it's another week of head in the sand about the economy

:shrug:

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Shats Basoon
Jun 13, 2013

Hadlock posted:

Looking like a mistake

Wondering if last week was just the dead cat bounce before CPI riggity riggity wrecks poo poo

Or maybe it's another week of head in the sand about the economy

:shrug:

The inflation report is going to be positive me thinks

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