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GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

What's a standard salary for seniors nowadays? I know it depends where you live, but 110k-ish?

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skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

GreenNight posted:

What's a standard salary for seniors nowadays? I know it depends where you live, but 110k-ish?

Yeah, that's the ballpark for a normal CoL area. I started my current gig at 116K in Jan 2021. We have an Engineering title though, not Administrator or Specialist or whatever. Location/Industry all that is a factor. I feel like we get paid a little extra for dealing with all the BS that comes with financial regulations.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

Take care with that! We have not fully ascertained its function, and the ticking is accelerating.
I’m in Seattle and make $140k as a senior architect with an additional 10% bonus that doesn’t count because I don’t have any control over.

But the job is in the Sacramento valley in California, so I don’t know if this counts as high CoL or not.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

That makes sense. I'm a hair under 100 and I have both a senior and engineering in my title now. And I have clearance but no sec+ cert.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


I make $150k base salary as a lead engineer for a midwest company.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


GreenNight posted:

That makes sense. I'm a hair under 100 and I have both a senior and engineering in my title now. And I have clearance but no sec+ cert.

at senior the sec+ is almost meaningless

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

The Fool posted:

at senior the sec+ is almost meaningless

I've read in this very thread that many government jobs that require clearance also require a sec+.

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!

GreenNight posted:

I've read in this very thread that many government jobs that require clearance also require a sec+.

I can attest to that being correct, if you're working in the US federal govt IT space, you're going to need that sec+ sooner than later.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


GreenNight posted:

I've read in this very thread that many government jobs that require clearance also require a sec+.

oh yeah, sorry, that is accurate

they have whole table of certification requirements for different roles

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!

The Fool posted:

oh yeah, sorry, that is accurate

they have whole table of certification requirements for different roles

Yep.

If you browse Clearance Jobs, often times that job description will say what 'category' of cert the job requires.

Inner Light
Jan 2, 2020



Agrikk posted:

That’s correct. After doing IT for over thirty years the hardest part of the overemployed thing is finding two compatible jobs and carefully managing my calendars. This especially includes non-compete clauses and multiple employer provisions.

Calendar collisions can be tricky but I have absolutely come to realize how many meetings I have in which I don’t contribute anything at all.

And company loyalty? gently caress that. I am grabbing all the cash i can as hard as I can.

From what you describe, it sounds like you may have found two jobs which do not prohibit a second job in their policy handbook, and that have compatible schedules, but each job is not aware that you are employed by another.

Not gonna lie, not seeing a lot of downsides, I would die from the stress of being found out and fired though despite a lack of handboook rules. At will and all.

chin up everything sucks
Jan 29, 2012

Hughmoris posted:

I can attest to that being correct, if you're working in the US federal govt IT space, you're going to need that sec+ sooner than later.

Can confirm, needed my Sec+ to take a helldesk position working for the Air Force. But it's getting me my clearance, so woo.

Filthy Lucre
Feb 27, 2006

Agrikk posted:

But you pay me senior architect money so idgaf. All I know is my 30-year mortgage with 27 years remaining is getting paid off in 24 months.

This is where I'm at in my life. We recently got a new CEO and he's .... shallow. Only concerned with appearance and his vanity projects. Doesn't give two shits about the infrastructure actually running or holding the company together.

But for what I'm getting paid, I'll happily waste my time baby sitting dumb poo poo.

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
pro tip for my least favorite user: if you send me a meeting invite for 12pm at 11:58 am I'm not going to respond to it, especially if the ticket is "please show me how to do my job"

And before any of you talk about referring him to training: lol we don't have any

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Agrikk posted:

But you pay me senior architect money so idgaf. All I know is my 30-year mortgage with 27 years remaining is getting paid off in 24 months.

Wish I was payed SA money as the documentarian...

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari



:10bux:?

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

GreenNight posted:

That makes sense. I'm a hair under 100 and I have both a senior and engineering in my title now. And I have clearance but no sec+ cert.

I’m in HCOL (ish, it’s Toronto) and making a hair less than twice that in base salary + bonus in USD. I was literally shaking while negotiating the offer, it was almost terrifying asking for so much money, but I managed to get two companies in a bidding war which drove up the base 20k from the original ask. I’m a senior infrastructure engineer and soon to be senior SRE (bureaucratic change, it’s not a functional role change, I despised the “infrastructure” part of my title :v:).

You’re getting robbed, especially if you have a clearance. You can probably sleepwalk your way through sec+. Even working directly for the feds you’ll likely see a huge bump.

Consider checking out the Blind app, which despite being full of libertarian assholes is great for salary comparisons.

levels.fyi is worth looking at too, if only so you feel more confident asking for stupid money.

The Iron Rose fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Sep 8, 2023

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

The Iron Rose posted:

I’m in HCOL (ish, it’s Toronto) and making a hair less than twice that in base salary + bonus in USD. I was literally shaking while negotiating the offer, it was almost terrifying asking for so much money, but I managed to get two companies in a bidding war which drove up the base 20k from the original ask.

You’re getting robbed, especially if you have a clearance. You can probably sleepwalk your way through sec+. Even working directly for the feds you’ll likely see a huge bump.

Consider checking out the Blind app, which despite being full of libertarian assholes is great for salary comparisons.

levels.fyi is worth looking at too, if only so you feel more confident asking for stupid money.

I appreciate the input. It's still tough not feeling like I'm faking it all the time. Supposedly my current org is budgeting for my change in title for 2024 so I'm super curious what that means. I literally got a title change a few weeks ago. I can't see anything more than 10% though so I am keeping my eyes open.

Corb3t
Jun 7, 2003

Been laid off since July 1st. Went through the interview process for two companies (6+ hours of interviews for each) only to be sent a rejection e-mail by one of them at 8 pm the night before labor day. Nice!

I'm hearing from tech recruiters that it takes 75 applications in IT to receive one interview request. Only 25% of job postings are all-remote, and 75% of applicants are applying for those all-remote jobs - I'm seeing 200+ applicants on job postings within a few hours of jobs being posted. Meanwhile, Detroit's biggest employers, Ford, GM, and Rocket Mortgage, have all been laying people off.

Hopeless.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

I feel you. The only jobs I had offers from were on prem local jobs. All the remote ones didn't want to give me the time of day.

Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat

GreenNight posted:

I feel you. The only jobs I had offers from were on prem local jobs. All the remote ones didn't want to give me the time of day.

I had the opposite. I live a stones through from NYC and I couldn't get any traction on an in person job. I was looking for something hybrid, but all I could find is remote stuff.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

GreenNight posted:

I appreciate the input. It's still tough not feeling like I'm faking it all the time. Supposedly my current org is budgeting for my change in title for 2024 so I'm super curious what that means. I literally got a title change a few weeks ago. I can't see anything more than 10% though so I am keeping my eyes open.

We are all faking it all the time! I have no idea what I’m doing, I just read documentation and put Lego pieces together. You won’t ever get crazy bumps from one org, but you can if you jump ship in two years to parley your fancy clearance elsewhere.


Corb3t posted:

Been laid off since July 1st. Went through the interview process for two companies (6+ hours of interviews for each) only to be sent a rejection e-mail by one of them at 8 pm the night before labor day. Nice!

I'm hearing from tech recruiters that it takes 75 applications in IT to receive one interview request. Only 25% of job postings are all-remote, and 75% of applicants are applying for those all-remote jobs - I'm seeing 200+ applicants on job postings within a few hours of jobs being posted. Meanwhile, Detroit's biggest employers, Ford, GM, and Rocket Mortgage, have all been laying people off.

Hopeless.

This really sucks and I am so sorry that this has been your experience, and Detroit can’t be a great city to find work in. The market is just kinda stupid cruel with its insistence on experience doing a thing before you will ever get hired to do a thing. To this, all I can say is do home labs and put it on your resume as consulting. It might not be “ethical”, but honestly gently caress the big employers with their impossible demands for experience without ever giving you the chance to get it in the first place. As long as you can actually do the thing you’re putting on your resume, I don’t think it’s unethical to portray lab work as professional work, especially if you’ve been unemployed for awhile.

Just make sure to put on your resume that you’ve been “consulting” since you left your last job! It’s a stupid kinda obvious dodge but people are people and stupid obvious tricks work on them all the time.

Corb3t
Jun 7, 2003

I appreciate all the advice, I have about six years of experience as a BSA managing software and web development-related projects, including getting my Masters in UI/UX and graduating the semester everything was shutdown (my paid internship was also cancelled, and I struggled for months to find a job).

I have done some consulting and have the open ended "consulting" experience in my LinkedIn profile, but for my resume, I just have my specific projects listed with the clients I worked with. I could probably re-organize the resume to include an opened ended consulting project, as well.

One of my boilerplate resumes is here with links to some of my past work.

edit: Added an open-ended consulting experience item

Corb3t fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Sep 8, 2023

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
The professional summary is way too wordy and long and my eyes glazed over it. The actual professional experience section is constrained by your three bullet points per job restriction. It doesn’t need to be that consistent!

With resumes, brevity and connecting your work to discrete business outcomes is key, both of which i think your resume could use more of. If you’re applying to non-UX technical roles I’d put certs front and centre since your job titles aren’t super obviously technical. I also don’t think the objective is necessary at all.

Graduating in late 2022 or 2023 is brutal and you’ve been totally hosed by timing.

The Iron Rose fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Sep 8, 2023

Corb3t
Jun 7, 2003

The Iron Rose posted:

The professional summary is way too wordy and long and my eyes glazed over it. The actual professional experience section is constrained by your three bullet points per job restriction. It doesn’t need to be that consistent!

With resumes, brevity and connecting your work to discrete business outcomes is key, both of which i think your resume could use more of. If you’re applying to non-UX technical roles I’d put certs front and centre since your job titles aren’t super obviously technical. I also don’t think the objective is necessary at all.

Graduating in late 2022 or 2023 is brutal and you’ve been totally hosed by timing.

I have no certs. All of my work has involved business analysis, requirements spec writing, user story creation, qa testing, ui/ux research, design, etc. I’ve taken some graduate level programming classes but by no means could be a developer for a company.

Don't disagree that passages could be simplified.

Started putting an objective after the unemployment office sent me links to This guy's YouTube channel, where he likes the objective and professional summary, but I understand every recruiter under the sun has their own recommendations for these kinds of things.

If I put a ton of bullet points in my experience, their eyes will just glaze over in those sections as well. Some sections could be re-organized, but it's just going to be the same things repeated and reformatted.

I've read that professional summaries are great because nobody actually reads the resume or cover letter parts. Maybe I could add a Skills section?

Edit: continued to make some resume refinements, can be reviewed here.

Corb3t fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Sep 9, 2023

Vampire Panties
Apr 18, 2001
nposter
Nap Ghost

Agrikk posted:

That’s correct. After doing IT for over thirty years the hardest part of the overemployed thing is finding two compatible jobs and carefully managing my calendars. This especially includes non-compete clauses and multiple employer provisions.

Calendar collisions can be tricky but I have absolutely come to realize how many meetings I have in which I don’t contribute anything at all.

And company loyalty? gently caress that. I am grabbing all the cash i can as hard as I can.

:haibrower:

I sat down and ran the numbers, and while I could join the Dark Side and go into sales (AMs with legit tech backgrounds print money, because they dont have to lie.)

but OE money is more consistent, there's no moving sales goalposts, and while you don't get all the dumb salesperson perks... figuring out how to be an enterprise AM, finding a job that pays commission fairly, and then getting into an established client base is 3-4 years minimum. I wanna be quasi-retired living on a boat by then, which is also significantly easier to do with real IT jobs


now I'm just staring down the barrel of picking up a graveyard shift :shepicide:

Super-NintendoUser posted:

I had the opposite. I live a stones through from NYC and I couldn't get any traction on an in person job. I was looking for something hybrid, but all I could find is remote stuff.

wanna trade? I've been trying to gtfo of San Diego and back to NYC for a while, but literally nobody takes me seriously. The job market here loving suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




FISHMANPET posted:

PowerShell is, I think, a much friendlier shell than Bash and the like. It's also a scripting language, but it's not as powerful as Python. It straddles the line between shell and scripting. I do think the pipeline and everything being an object in PowerShell vs everything being text in other Unix shells makes it a lot more powerful in a lot of cases.

Good news: PowerShell is a really nice scripting language with a lot of QOL features like object orientation, the pipeline, and so on. Moving to PS from bash was a treat. But that's because I was working on Windows...

Bad news: the ports to Linux and MacOS don't include a LOT of useful commandlets. loving Test-NetConnection didn't make it to MacOS. I appreciate the ports, but gently caress you, again, Microsoft. I use that. A lot. It's a key component of one of my most-executed scripts.

mllaneza fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Sep 9, 2023

Raymond T. Racing
Jun 11, 2019

Corb3t posted:

I have no certs. All of my work has involved business analysis, requirements spec writing, user story creation, qa testing, ui/ux research, design, etc. I’ve taken some graduate level programming classes but by no means could be a developer for a company.

Don't disagree that passages could be simplified.

Started putting an objective after the unemployment office sent me links to This guy's YouTube channel, where he likes the objective and professional summary, but I understand every recruiter under the sun has their own recommendations for these kinds of things.

If I put a ton of bullet points in my experience, their eyes will just glaze over in those sections as well. Some sections could be re-organized, but it's just going to be the same things repeated and reformatted.

I've read that professional summaries are great because nobody actually reads the resume or cover letter parts. Maybe I could add a Skills section?

Edit: continued to make some resume refinements, can be reviewed here.
I will always advocate for “tell personal objective to disappear”. You could probably fit this into a one pager and it would feel a lot better

don’t link out to webpages

Susat
May 31, 2011

Taking it easy, being green
I've been having nothing but "run-in" (systems going through stress testing) problems all week. Granted it's been a shorter week. I got a system from Google that I can't actually test without asking my engineer for help because of data mismatch.

Then another system had it's main board swapped, passed the first round of testing, got pulled so we could fix a broken tester failing to BMC reset properly (needed to update MAC and TPM data for each new unit) and mysteriously poo poo the bed and died overnight. Ran it in and it only error codes power up issues recorded previously after reboot failures. nVidia has not been helpful with deciphering this and it's their proprietary board. :iiam:

Last system I touched today is.. fine except when I try to grab the vBios data for my log. No issues with the 10,000 dollar GPUs or anything. I can use some scripting similar to "touch" to figure out what the actual bios information is but the moment I try to pull that data for my log it causes a kernel panic. Have some more legwork I gotta do but gonna guess that's corrupted.

Elem7
Apr 12, 2003
der
Dinosaur Gum
You don't need a Sec+ to work Federal IT outside of the DoD, and that mostly applies to other certification as well outside of actual cybersecurity dedicated jobs which require certs, but those jobs are going to ask for much higher pedigree certs than Sec+ anyways. Unless you're specifically looking for a DoD job, which can be a good way to get your foot in the door to federal service, I wouldn't bother with it.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


i am a moron posted:

Good thing I didn’t try to make a move over to Slalom, 7% workforce reduction and proof their entire ethos is just bullshit lol

drat. This actually isn't good news for the tech sector when you have Microsoft and others trying to leverage partners. I wonder what the hell they did wrong and I almost got poached by them a few years back. FWIW, I enjoy working with them on a few projects.

i am a moron posted:

For better or worse consulting sometimes is explaining the same thing over and over to people. The worst orgs have the exact same tendencies and running projects with them is like shooting fish in a barrel. My favorite client ever hated consultants and I went from a solo six week project to a 2 1/2 year reputation defining deal there. They challenged me and I challenged them. Most of our clients are mouth breathing idiots and that’s why they had to ask us wtf to do in the first place. It’s gotten really hollow at this point

:same:

Consulting requires a lot of patience and a big part of my time is telling myself to shut the hell up and just listen. A good chunk of my former clients have become good friends. :unsmith:

i am a moron posted:

I’m writing a DR strategy doc for some fuckoff huge company and I’m realizing I hate every part of my job. I used to think kicking rear end on big projects was fun but all the joy has been sucked out of it for me. Why am I explaining the same thing to the same dead eyed middle aged chubsters at every company. Like loving Google this poo poo it’s literally all on their website

I just don’t care anymore. I need to move to sales and just spend my days golfing and drinking and running up my expenses

As long the projects I am working on are interesting like I am protecting grandma's retirement fund from hackers or helping doctors use modern SSO. It keeps me going but I feel like at some point I feel like I'll end up in management or development.

Corb3t
Jun 7, 2003

Buff Hardback posted:

I will always advocate for “tell personal objective to disappear”. You could probably fit this into a one pager and it would feel a lot better

don’t link out to webpages

I removed the objective and simplified the summary a bit.

Recruiters have been telling me to include links to your work & portfolio since I graduated with my Masters in UI/UX. "Interactive resumes set yourself apart and actually SHOW somebody what kind of work you're actually doing, not just telling them".

It used to be one page, but I've been working with recruiters and been told that keeping your resume as one page isn't necessary since most resumes are being fed through an automated system that searches for keywords - it's better to make your resume longer so more keywords get picked up.

Corb3t fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Sep 9, 2023

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

I got passed over for an in-house promotion for an outside hire which really really sucks... but I get along great with the new guy and its cathartic as gently caress to see his surprise at the weird unoptimized poo poo we do, like how we handle imaging, and our inability to dispose or broken hardware since it was bought with grant money

Organic Lube User
Apr 15, 2005

Dandywalken posted:

I got passed over for an in-house promotion for an outside hire which really really sucks... but I get along great with the new guy and its cathartic as gently caress to see his surprise at the weird unoptimized poo poo we do, like how we handle imaging, and our inability to dispose or broken hardware since it was bought with grant money

I miss academic IT. I should call her...

CloFan
Nov 6, 2004

Lol yup. I've got a dozen pallets of computers in storage that are 10+ years old because the state turn-in processes are garbage. At least they're in a warehouse, as soon as we take them to the disposal site they just sit out in the weather till someone pays $40 for a pallet on govdeals

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


We just unloaded an entire storage room's worth of old laptops, desktops, IP phones and various cables. Felt goooooood getting that poo poo out of the way finally.

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
there's gotta be a better way to reuse old machines, like smushing them all into low upfront cost clusters (don't ask about reliability and the electric bill) or whatever. Pretty sure a pallet full of 8th gen i5s can still push a decent amount of bits

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

I reset them and donate. The local food pantry gives then to food pantries all over the state.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

CloFan posted:

Lol yup. I've got a dozen pallets of computers in storage that are 10+ years old because the state turn-in processes are garbage. At least they're in a warehouse, as soon as we take them to the disposal site they just sit out in the weather till someone pays $40 for a pallet on govdeals

How do you all handle outright broken gear? We have two aisles of dead or useless monitors, I assume they still have to be put on Govdeals? I just compile the asset lists for listing, the rest of the stuff is unknown for me.

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22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Salary chat: I make 95k as a junior linux engineer working remote at a NYC company but that's apparently low enough for the area that they had some candidates asking half again as much. I didn't get a counter-offer when I asked for 95k so oops I probably could have made a bit more. At this point I could probably make more money but the work/life balance is good, the culture is good, I make enough money to live comfortably in the above average COL area I live in, I'm learning a lot, and I've got a good team with a good boss. After three years I had forgotten what it was like to not hate your job.

And I'm not just complimenting my boss because I know he reads this thread :v:

Edit: I just remembered that like 6 years ago I said that the dream was living in the mountains working for a SF/LA/NYC company making the corresponding money so I guess I kind of made it?

22 Eargesplitten fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Sep 10, 2023

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