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I own and have read understanding exposure I just thought it would be fun to have assignments to shoot again like in high school(god I miss film and the darkroom). Like work on long exposure, water, shoot the sky or whatever. When I saw the posted professor was "famous" I immediately thought of the conclusion you seem to support that she would have the class shoot in her style and I am not about that for more than few weeks.
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KidDynamite posted:I own and have read understanding exposure I just thought it would be fun to have assignments to shoot again like in high school(god I miss film and the darkroom). Like work on long exposure, water, shoot the sky or whatever. When I saw the posted professor was "famous" I immediately thought of the conclusion you seem to support that she would have the class shoot in her style and I am not about that for more than few weeks. Oh, well if you're looking to branch out then it will probably be a good experience. Is she on any of those rate my professor sites so you can see if she's that kind of teacher?
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Jan 15, 2013 01:09
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When it comes to stuff like shooting live events, aside from the basic stuff like shutter, aperture and composition, there's no replacement for experience. To be good at shooting a particular sport or event, you have to learn how to anticipate, look for cues and learn what makes an effective image and what style works for you. A class can help with this, but ultimately you'll have to go out there and try, fail and try again until you succeed.
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Jan 15, 2013 03:48
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HPL posted:When it comes to stuff like shooting live events, aside from the basic stuff like shutter, aperture and composition, there's no replacement for experience. To be good at shooting a particular sport or event, you have to learn how to anticipate, look for cues and learn what makes an effective image and what style works for you. A class can help with this, but ultimately you'll have to go out there and try, fail and try again until you succeed. Some photographer (it might have been McNally) said he practices by sitting on his couch with a long lens and taking pictures of football on TV. Which probably isn't nearly as dumb as it sounds in terms of getting a feel for where you're going to want to point your camera.
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Jan 15, 2013 20:24
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SoundMonkey posted:Some photographer (it might have been McNally) said he practices by sitting on his couch with a long lens and taking pictures of football on TV. Which probably isn't nearly as dumb as it sounds in terms of getting a feel for where you're going to want to point your camera. That's a ..good idea, never thought of that. Definitely hesitated on it at first. edit: spelling Piquai Souban fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Jan 15, 2013 |
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Jan 15, 2013 20:29
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SKULE123 posted:That's a ..good idea, never thought of that. Definitely hestitated on it at first. Well, and you should probably also learn to shoot with both eyes open. That can take a bit of getting used to.
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Jan 15, 2013 20:31
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SoundMonkey posted:Well, and you should probably also learn to shoot with both eyes open. That can take a bit of getting used to. Definitely less eye-fatigue. Everyone should have learned that from biology when mucking about with microscopes.
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Jan 15, 2013 20:48
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geeves posted:Definitely less eye-fatigue. Everyone should have learned that from biology when mucking about with microscopes. I'm pretty sure I'm inflicting permanent brain damage doing that little... maneuver... you have to do in your head to switch eyes.
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Nope, you're keeping your brain in tip top shape doing that. You may have a spare tire concealing your abs but your visual cortex is loving ripped.
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I'm currently very much enjoying Kitchen Confidential by Bordain. Is there a sex, drugs and L-glass equivalent for the photog world? Maybe a little less cocaine use and a little more slogging through war torn landscapes and soggy jungles.
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If there isn't, we should just make one up with MORE sex, MORE cocaine, MORE musings about being a professional photographer, and I guess some stuff about wars or whatever.
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Jan 15, 2013 21:51
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SoundMonkey posted:Some photographer (it might have been McNally) said he practices by sitting on his couch with a long lens and taking pictures of football on TV. Which probably isn't nearly as dumb as it sounds in terms of getting a feel for where you're going to want to point your camera. squidflakes posted:If there isn't, we should just make one up with MORE sex, MORE cocaine, MORE musings about being a professional photographer Does Terry Richardson have an autobiography out yet? There's a guy who took what worked and ran through walls with it like Kool-Aid Man.
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"He woke up, rolling several splayed prostitutes off the bed, kicking up clouds of cocaine. Something wasn't right. He had known something was up because of his 17 tours of vietnafghaniraq. There were terrorists afoot. Danger Sexaperture sighed as he drew his Leica."
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HPL posted:Except that you're already framing your shot within however the cameraman framed it so it's not like you're looking at a big limitless view trying to find a subject. EXTREMELY NSFW http://oldterry.tumblr.com/ EXTREMELY NSFW It's not even a good NSFW, lots of pictures of Terry Richardson getting blown by transexual prostitutes.
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Paragon8 posted:EXTREMELY NSFW  Maybe I'll just re-read Fear and Loathing then.
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Paragon8 posted:EXTREMELY NSFW How is his dick not swiss cheese.
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More than a few times I have seen the phrase "painters don't worry about the brushes they use" bandied about by the anti-gear crowd (which can be as annoying as the gear crowd) on photo forums. Well, I submit Evidence A: http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=489916 Really does not take much to make the transition: quote:Many artists here on Wet Canvas have highly recommended Silver Brush Grand Prix brushes. John Howard Sanden also recommends them, and so I purchased a few. Could just as easily be: quote:Many artists here on Photoforum have highly recommended Sigma lenses. Thom Hogan also recommends them, and so I purchased a few. Or quote:I commenced oil painting under the occasional tutelege of an elderly Laguna Beach knife painter two+ years ago. One late afternoon, a sizeable family walked into the gallery, the grande matriarch perusing the displayed works. Seconds later, casting judgement, she remarked to her brood, "What 'magical brushes' this artist uses"!! into quote:I commenced large format photography under the occasional tutelege of an elderly Laguna Beach LF shooter two+ years ago. One late afternoon, a sizeable family walked into the gallery, the grande matriarch perusing the displayed works. Seconds later, casting judgement, she remarked to her brood, "What 'high MP medium format back' this artist uses"!! I feel we can really make a meta-forum to just debate the tools of artists, the actual discussion never seems to change much. Clayton Bigsby fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Jan 15, 2013 |
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Jan 15, 2013 22:47
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Clayton Bigsby posted:More than a few times I have seen the phrase "painters don't worry about the brushes they use" bandied about by the anti-gear crowd (which can be as annoying as the gear crowd) on photo forums. Well, I submit Evidence A: http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=489916 Wait did anyone ever think that was actually a legit thing to say?
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SoundMonkey posted:Wait did anyone ever think that was actually a legit thing to say? You have not been to many photo forums have you?
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the problem is that both sides of the debate spend too much time talking about it on the internet instead of going out and creating.
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Paragon8 posted:the problem is that both sides of the debate spend too much time talking about it on the internet instead of going out and creating. The people who tend to sit around debating on either side are probably the ones least likely to be doing any creating in the first place, so the loss to society is likely a small one.
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Jan 15, 2013 23:05
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Clayton Bigsby posted:You have not been to many photo forums have you? Why would you ever want to go to another forum when you have a great, diverse, minimally circle-jerky community right here?
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Paragon8 posted:the problem is that both sides of the debate spend too much time talking about it on the internet instead of going out and creating. Have you seen the upload statistics for flickr, and I guess these days, instagram? Less creation is exactly what needs to happen. 
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Why would you ever want to go to another forum when you have a great, diverse, minimally circle-jerky community right here? Well, speaking for myself, moderating one with 35k users is reason enough. And it's fairly entertaining, you'd have to admit. Until you start bashing your head into the brick wall someone was just using to test their new purchase.
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Clayton Bigsby posted:Well, speaking for myself, moderating one with 35k users is reason enough. That sounds hellish.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:That sounds hellish. I've seen some poo poo, man... ...in my post history.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:That sounds hellish. Let me add that it is 90% very green camera users. Yes, hell.
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xzzy posted:Have you seen the upload statistics for flickr, and I guess these days, instagram? I'd rather people enjoy the hobby of taking pictures even if it is just what we consider garbage than focusing on sharpness charts
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Paragon8 posted:EXTREMELY NSFW I think it's pretty good NSFW.
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Paragon8 posted:the problem is that both sides of the debate spend too much time talking about it on the internet instead of going out and creating.
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I think a better analogy would be "shitposters don't care what kind of keyboards they make their lovely posts from". (Now someone will link a forum where bad posters argue about whether or not you need an IBM model M to properly post badly on the internet.)
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I think with photography more so than other means of creative expression/art the whole gear discussion is a bit more impactful because of how technical and varied the tools are. Okay fine you can talk about different grades of paint brush or paints but with cameras and lenses there is more of an objective difference. I've known people at both ends of the spectrum but my gut feeling is that the better photographers will always be creative first and technical second. I do think it can be understated by the "it's the photographer not the camera crowd" that it is important to have a degree of technical proficiency. To a photographer cameras, lighting, lenses, post production are all tools. It's important to know how to use them efficiently and effectively to achieve your vision. The thing about the internet that a lot of photographers tend to be camera hobbyists - now that in itself is fine even though it sounds super pejorative . People like sophisticated technology and having "the best" and with the internet people love comparing e-peen. Unfortunately these people are the most vocal on the internet. so yeah tl;dr - some people overestimate the importance of gear, some people underestimate the importance of gear - just go out and take pictures.
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I think a lot of it is fueled by people who get into photography because cameras are shiny technological objects. Not that people can't grow out of that phase or even create good work despite a gear fetish. It is more uncommon to see some one get into painting because they saw a brush in a store and thought it looked cool. I'm not gonna lie when I first started out I had only minimal interest in "creating", needed a hobby, happened to pick up a copy of Popular Photography and thought "this looks cool".
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8th-samurai posted:I think a better analogy would be "shitposters don't care what kind of keyboards they make their lovely posts from". (Now someone will link a forum where bad posters argue about whether or not you need an IBM model M to properly post badly on the internet.) I do all my shitposting with a mechanical keyboard. The tactile experience is definitely worth it.
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I'm just going to take pictures of camera gear from now on. Cause I'm creative.
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8th-samurai posted:I think a lot of it is fueled by people who get into photography because cameras are shiny technological objects. Not that people can't grow out of that phase or even create good work despite a gear fetish. It is more uncommon to see some one get into painting because they saw a brush in a store and thought it looked cool. I'm not gonna lie when I first started out I had only minimal interest in "creating", needed a hobby, happened to pick up a copy of Popular Photography and thought "this looks cool". Yeah exactly. And if that person enjoys what they're doing it's fine. It just gets lovely when they try and push their perspective onto other people.
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That's why I love things like Pro Tog, Cheap Camera where you slap a dude like The Strobist with a 2MP camera and watch him rock it. Granted, the guy normally pushes that sort of thinking with "gently caress it, tape a cereal box to your flash" but point still stands.
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8th-samurai posted:It is more uncommon to see some one get into painting because they saw a brush in a store and thought it looked cool. 
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Whitezombi posted:I'm just going to take pictures of camera gear from now on. Cause I'm creative. I'm going to shoot nothing but paint brushes. 
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ahmeni posted:I'm currently very much enjoying Kitchen Confidential by Bordain. Is there a sex, drugs and L-glass equivalent for the photog world? Maybe a little less cocaine use and a little more slogging through war torn landscapes and soggy jungles. helmacron posts Clayton Bigsby posted:Let me add that it is 90% very green camera users. which is it? im sure its not as painful as reading pentaxforums. guidoanselmi fucked around with this message at 10:02 on Jan 16, 2013 |
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