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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:Of course you're right. There was a fire in a nuclear power pant but hey, no biggie! It was really not a biggie at all. It posed no risk to the reactors and safety procedures were followed to put the fire out straight away. Of course the incident should be fully investigated, but to suggest that it proves nuclear power to be dangerous and that we should switch it all off is just nonsense. Jadot jumped on the opportunity to further his own agenda and only showed his dishonesty.
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They said "a fan blew up" which is fine because I assume there aren't any fans in critical areas, and if there were then they won't blow up because that would be bad
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Feb 10, 2017 00:21
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Feb 10, 2017 05:14
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Do we still talk about the Brits in this thread? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/08/mps-reject-brexit-bill-amendment-to-protect-eu-citizens-in-uk?CMP=fb_gu quote:Attempts to force the government to give all EU citizens in the UK permanent residency after Britain leaves the bloc have been defeated. I vaguely recall May promising that European citizens living in the UK would be protected?
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Feb 10, 2017 10:52
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That doesn't mean granting permanent residency, though. Could be an automatic work permit or something like that. I'm sure it will all be clarified in her Brexit Plan which is totally a thing. Any day now!
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Feb 10, 2017 11:02
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Ah, yes, of course. This is going to be one of those deals like in the government white paper, where the conclusion is that remaining in a customs union is mutually beneficial to the UK and the EU, so the government will sidestep the issue as long as possible. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa..._the_EU_Web.pdf Special shout-outs: quote:2.1 Deltasquid fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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Feb 10, 2017 11:05
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Yeah, there's no way they'd kick out the more than 2 mil EU workers in the UK; that'd be an economic catastrophe. Every service industry job in London is worked by Italian, Spanish or Polish people, for a start. Good luck getting a coffee at Costa's if you kick out all the foreigners, Terry!
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Feb 10, 2017 11:10
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Deltasquid posted:Do we still talk about the Brits in this thread? The government and Tory line is they still support this but refuse to be bound by it through legislation, they demand reciprocity for UK nationals currently living in the EU and oppose making a statutory one sided commitment before the commencement of negotiations. That's their line anyway
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lost in postation posted:Yeah, there's no way they'd kick out the more than 2 mil EU workers in the UK; that'd be an economic catastrophe. I really don't think you should underestimate the British public's capability to do the wrong thing.
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lost in postation posted:Yeah, there's no way they'd kick out the more than 2 mil EU workers in the UK; that'd be an economic catastrophe. Has 2016 taught you nothing?
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Feb 10, 2017 11:19
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I mean, Joe Brexit from Chulmleigh won't get to vote on the specifics of the deal. Hopefully the Tory majority has enough awareness of their own interests that they won't do anything outright suicidal. Then again, 2016. 
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Feb 10, 2017 11:23
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Namarrgon posted:Has 2016 taught you nothing? Not to mention that the perm residence is 85 pages so that's 170 million pages of paperwork if everyone wants to stay. It's a good thing that the public sector is well sta.. Oh.
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Feb 10, 2017 11:36
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lost in postation posted:Every service industry job in London is worked by Italian, Spanish or Polish people, for a start. Good luck getting a coffee at Costa's if you kick out all the foreigners, Terry! I don't know why you would think anyone outside of London would see this as a bad thing.
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Feb 10, 2017 11:50
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lost in postation posted:I mean, Joe Brexit from Chulmleigh won't get to vote on the specifics of the deal. Hopefully the Tory majority has enough awareness of their own interests that they won't do anything outright suicidal. Sounds like something the public should weigh in on, perhaps through some kind of voting process. A referendum perhaps?
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His Divine Shadow posted:I don't know why you would think anyone outside of London would see this as a bad thing. They evidently don't, but a Tory MP with a second home in London might? I wasn't being 100% serious.
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Feb 10, 2017 16:10
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Not to mention that the perm residence is 85 pages so that's 170 million pages of paperwork if everyone wants to stay. It's a good thing that the public sector is well sta.. Oh. It's a lot more paperwork than that, 85 pages is just the application form. To which you have to enclose supporting evidence. Then they go and verify all that over the course of few months, using all sorts of databases they have access to (e.g. having in the past cheated on an English language exam certificate is one disqualifying factor, then there's stuff like if you don't mistreat your kids, being late on payments, all sorts of things). And over a third result in rejections and subsequent appeals. Appeals because you're already paying money for the privilege, so what's a little bit more for lawyer to try and make it go through, and a lot of the rejections are based on wafer-thin rules-lawyering (the permanent residence regulations are fairly strict). So it's more like few hundred pages per person, at least. And yes there already is a huge backlog despite the number of applications currently being in tens of thousands. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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Feb 10, 2017 17:00
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:Of course you're right. There was a fire in a nuclear power pant but hey, no biggie! are you seriously saying a fire in like a shed or office building that was put out by some random workers with hand extinguishers should be considered tantamount a  nucular disaster that could have killed us all with the power of ATOMZ just because it happened to be behind the same fence as the nuclear reactor
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Fire and Nucleus are both powerful magics, if they're cast on top of each other the resulting double-tech could kill millions.
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Feb 11, 2017 11:48
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blowfish posted:are you seriously saying a fire in like a shed or office building that was put out by some random workers with hand extinguishers should be considered tantamount a Oh no someone criticized nuclear power. Quick, better post the word ATOMZ to make them sound so goddamn crazy 
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:Oh no someone criticized nuclear power. Quick, better post the word ATOMZ to make them sound so goddamn crazy
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Feb 11, 2017 12:01
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:Oh no someone criticized nuclear power. Quick, better post the word ATOMZ to make them sound so goddamn crazy This but unironically
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Feb 11, 2017 12:11
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What if they are crazy
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My point was extremely pertinent. A fire anywhere inside a nuclear facility is a cause for concern, since it demonstrates safety and/or maintenance protocols are no good enough. Oh you mean accidents can and will happen? Oh ok. As someone who lives within 50km of a nuclear power plant this puts my mind at ease.
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Feb 11, 2017 12:27
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Doc Hawkins posted:Fire and Nucleus are both powerful magics, if they're cast on top of each other the resulting double-tech could kill millions. It was recently discovered that the foundry who provides the nuclear industry with key elements for their plants has been falsifying reports for years, during which they have knowingly shipped defective bits. Nor Areva nor EDF nor the Autorité de sûreté nucléaire caught up on this until recently, which casts a lot of doubt on the whole industry. This is why a single accident sounds a little more worrying now than it did before.
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Feb 11, 2017 12:36
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You should be happy you don't live within 50km of a coal power plant. Then you'd actually suffer, instead of just freaking out needlessly over office paper waste-bin level fires. Nuclear power in Europe is incredibly safe and clean in comparison to other sources of power.
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unpacked robinhood posted:It was recently discovered that the foundry who provides the nuclear industry with key elements for their plants has been falsifying reports for years,
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:it demonstrates safety and/or maintenance protocols are no good enough. Those things are expensive, and what's important -- indeed, not just what's most important in life, but the only thing that is actually important at all -- is obtaining and ever-increasing financial profitability. You've got to cut costs where you can, where it doesn't matter -- such as maintenance. And labor! Look, if you replace trained and qualified employees by temp jobbers from some Eastern European country that don't know the language and can't read what's on the documentation and signposts, then you can save up so much on labor cost. And labor cost is the antichrist, so every reduction of it and intrinsically cool and good. Now watch as all this money that has been saved is blown away in utter incompetence because we had to let go of everyone who actually had skills and experience, they were too expensive.
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Feb 11, 2017 13:07
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Your criticism was real dumb though. I don't think it was
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Nuclear power owns but is built and run by horrible retards. Areva is the world's premier constructor of dumpster fires
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Nuclear power is cool and good but in the hands of French government run and owned businesses I don't trust it.
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If you can't trust a modern first world country to run NPPs then you can't trust anyone to run NPPs.
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This all started with my criticism of Jadot, who was banging on about completely getting rid of nuclear power. The problem is that if we get rid of nuclear today, then like in Germany, it will have to be replaced with coal power for a few decades in order to make up for the loss in base-load. Coal power which is estimated to kill tens of thousands per year in normal operation due to air pollution. Now if Jadot had gone on the TV this week and demanded a thorough investigation into safety and regulations at nuclear power plants, then I would not have had a problem.
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Goa Tse-tung posted:I don't think it was
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A Buttery Pastry posted:(Though you could have some advanced system for putting out the fire when it did get going though.) Advanced systems of fire prevention tend to to not be very human friendly.
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MiddleOne posted:Advanced systems of fire prevention tend to to not be very human friendly.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Claiming that any fire at all is a big issue is pretty silly, considering how many different types of fires that could cover. A fire in the reactor/the control room/a ventilation unit/a break room microwave would warrant very different reactions. The later post about it (possibly) being a symptom of lax safety protocols at least provided a narrative for why perhaps it shouldn't be dismissed as just a minor little fire, which might be a fair criticism of the first three cases, whereas a break room fire seems like something you'd have as hard time preventing in a nuclear plant as in any other place. (Though you could have some advanced system for putting out the fire when it did get going though.) If you can't have a break room that doesn't pose a potential fire hazard to the rest of your facility maybe you shouldn't have a break room in that facility.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Small price to pay to prevent a nuclear disaster. YF-23 posted:If you can't have a break room that doesn't pose a potential fire hazard to the rest of your facility maybe you shouldn't have a break room in that facility. How would a nuclear power plant even catch fire? It's just huge bunker made of steel and reinforced concrete housing big pools of water with locked and isolated security doors up the whazo. I don't really see how office supplies or the break room catching fire could ever actually pose a threat to operations beyond the immediate inconvenience.
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YF-23 posted:If you can't have a break room that doesn't pose a potential fire hazard to the rest of your facility maybe you shouldn't have a break room in that facility.
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It could've been dealt with in a worse way. The point is that stuff there shouldn't catch on fire in the first place.
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MiddleOne posted:How would a nuclear power plant even catch fire? It's just huge bunker made of steel and reinforced concrete housing big pools of water with locked and isolated security doors up the whazo. I don't really see how office supplies or the break room catching fire could ever actually pose a threat to operations beyond the immediate inconvenience. YF-23 posted:If you can't have a break room that doesn't pose a potential fire hazard to the rest of your facility maybe you shouldn't have a break room in that facility.
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